Comments on: Matt Ryan Or Michael Vick: For the Fans, Is It All About Black and White? http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/ Bangin’ and Scorin’ Every Trip Down the Floor Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:49:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: brady http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-43581 brady Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:11:38 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-43581 Why ya'll trippin? Vick was not the player in Atlanta he is his now. All he wanted to do was be the star, and not a leader. He didn't understand the concept of being a "team". Ryan is where he should be. And besides, Tom Brady is better than both of them. HAHAHA!! Why ya’ll trippin? Vick was not the player in Atlanta he is his now. All he wanted to do was be the star, and not a leader. He didn’t understand the concept of being a “team”. Ryan is where he should be. And besides, Tom Brady is better than both of them. HAHAHA!!

]]> By: Daren Douglas Jr.--Michael Vick #1!..I SUPPORT YOU! http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-24967 Daren Douglas Jr.--Michael Vick #1!..I SUPPORT YOU! Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:51:54 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-24967 I believe vick needs another chance not only for hiself but for the falcons...matt ryan might be good but not good enough. He'll never be on vick's level...he can't run like vick..he really doesnt have the features to be a balanced QB. in my opinion matt ryan should be #2 in the depth charts and vick put in #1 in the season 2009. this has nothing to do with being black or white haha...vick's just plain out better. everybody makes mistakes...its all about forgiving and forgetting.LET IT GO! and act mature about the situation. No need to continue to hate him and make his life worse then it is. Personally i love vick and everything about.he inspired me to play football.even though i played a different position he's basically the reason i picked up a football and put down the basketball. I SAY VICK SHOULD BE BACK IN THE NFL FOR THE SEASON 2009! I believe vick needs another chance not only for hiself but for the falcons…matt ryan might be good but not good enough.
He’ll never be on vick’s level…he can’t run like vick..he really doesnt have the features to be a balanced QB.
in my opinion matt ryan should be #2 in the depth charts and vick put in #1 in the season 2009.
this has nothing to do with being black or white haha…vick’s just plain out better.
everybody makes mistakes…its all about forgiving and forgetting.LET IT GO! and act mature about the situation.
No need to continue to hate him and make his life worse then it is.
Personally i love vick and everything about.he inspired me to play football.even though i played a different position he’s basically the reason i picked up a football and put down the basketball.
I SAY VICK SHOULD BE BACK IN THE NFL FOR THE SEASON 2009!

]]> By: Corey Bradshaw VICK FAN #1 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-24362 Corey Bradshaw VICK FAN #1 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:04:15 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-24362 I think matt ryan blows and i hate him vick was wrong 4 wat he did but he still needs to play on the falcons they would be way better off with vick...... I think matt ryan blows and i hate him vick was wrong 4 wat he did but he still needs to play on the falcons they would be way better off with vick……

]]> By: Seeking Disciple http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-23386 Seeking Disciple Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:26:06 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-23386 I was just wondering what your thoughts are after the season is now over about the future of Falcons fans and Ryan and Vick. I thought Ryan had a great year with Atlanta and he showed that he is an NFL QB as well as a leader. He also showed that (for now) he can keep himself clean (which would be highly expected following Vick). I thought the Falcons looked much better on the field this year than in many seasons probably dating back to 1998. While I enjoyed watching Vick, I never thought Atlanta would win until Vick learned from McNabb or other running QB's how to be a leader, when not to run, and the value of passing instead of running. Nonetheless, do you think that the Falcon fans will now gladly keep Ryan while Vick tries to come back to the NFL or do you see them longing still for Vick to play for the Falcons and replacing Ryan? I was just wondering what your thoughts are after the season is now over about the future of Falcons fans and Ryan and Vick. I thought Ryan had a great year with Atlanta and he showed that he is an NFL QB as well as a leader. He also showed that (for now) he can keep himself clean (which would be highly expected following Vick).

I thought the Falcons looked much better on the field this year than in many seasons probably dating back to 1998. While I enjoyed watching Vick, I never thought Atlanta would win until Vick learned from McNabb or other running QB’s how to be a leader, when not to run, and the value of passing instead of running.

Nonetheless, do you think that the Falcon fans will now gladly keep Ryan while Vick tries to come back to the NFL or do you see them longing still for Vick to play for the Falcons and replacing Ryan?

]]> By: michelle http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-21156 michelle Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:59:05 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-21156 Unbelievable, I agree with you the kid can play. Having one of the BEST running backs in the league to play with goes a long way in helping a quarterback. Most quarterbacks aren't afforded that luxury. AHH ...Vick didn't have one or a great receiver and he still made lemonade out of lemons.I also wonder how many people have been arrested and sentenced to multiple years in jail for dog fighting since Mike was charged? I personally think hunting is cruel but I'm black and that's not something a lot of us do so who cares about our opinion. I think animal cruelty of any kind is wrong. I don't think most hunters are sharp shooters so there are a lot of injured animals running around that may die from bleeding to death or infection not to mention their young who are left to starve to death. Just ask Dick Cheney if you don't believe me on that one. I hear he's really a good shot. LMAO!!! Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you seriously trying to say that white players are discriminated against on draft day? I sure hope not. The only racial bias I've seen in the NFL and by the media is toward black players. Everything they do is blown up like they are the worse people on earth. The white players however, in any sport are coddled or ignored for equal mistakes. How often do you see the benches in baseball cleared during a fight? But the brawl in Detroit was labeled some of the worst behavior by athletes in sports history. Over reaction...ahhhhh... HELL YEAH!!!!! Oh and Barry Bonds was also the first athlete to use steroids.NOT!!! We know that's BS!! Here is another example of the media bias. Just this week Farve told the press he doesn't care about what other people think at this stage of his career. I understand that and agree with him for feeling that way. I also understand McNabbs comments when he said that he's been run over by some of the fans and media this year. The media jumped all over his comments and left Fave alone. GEEEEE...I wonder why? UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!! If you don't get this site then move on. We provide checks and balances here to counter the often unfair treatment of people of color. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!! Unbelievable,

I agree with you the kid can play. Having one of the BEST running backs in the league to play with goes a long way in helping a quarterback. Most quarterbacks aren’t afforded that luxury. AHH …Vick didn’t have one or a great receiver and he still made lemonade out of lemons.I also wonder how many people have been arrested and sentenced to multiple years in jail for dog fighting since Mike was charged? I personally think hunting is cruel but I’m black and that’s not something a lot of us do so who cares about our opinion. I think animal cruelty of any kind is wrong. I don’t think most hunters are sharp shooters so there are a lot of injured animals running around that may die from bleeding to death or infection not to mention their young who are left to starve to death. Just ask Dick Cheney if you don’t believe me on that one. I hear he’s really a good shot. LMAO!!!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you seriously trying to say that white players are discriminated against on draft day? I sure hope not. The only racial bias I’ve seen in the NFL and by the media is toward black players. Everything they do is blown up like they are the worse people on earth. The white players however, in any sport are coddled or ignored for equal mistakes. How often do you see the benches in baseball cleared during a fight? But the brawl in Detroit was labeled some of the worst behavior by athletes in sports history. Over reaction…ahhhhh… HELL YEAH!!!!! Oh and Barry Bonds was also the first athlete to use steroids.NOT!!! We know that’s BS!! Here is another example of the media bias. Just this week Farve told the press he doesn’t care about what other people think at this stage of his career. I understand that and agree with him for feeling that way. I also understand McNabbs comments when he said that he’s been run over by some of the fans and media this year. The media jumped all over his comments and left Fave alone. GEEEEE…I wonder why? UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!

If you don’t get this site then move on. We provide checks and balances here to counter the often unfair treatment of people of color. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!

]]> By: UNBELIEVABLE http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-21151 UNBELIEVABLE Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:53:30 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-21151 boobaby............ I dont think the falcons are having problems selling tickets. Put a winner on the field and the fans will come. I cant believe the racial over-tones in the posts above. Sounds to me like alot of people were dogging on Matt because of his skin color. Even mentioning that ANDRE WOODSON would have been a better pick. Face it, the facts state that the Falcons made the right move. Who cares if Matt is white or black........... APPARENTLY alot of people. Draft a WHITE BOY and the malcontent starts to shine through. Can you honestly say the Falcons made the wrong decision now? The white boy can play. The best thing to come out of the whole deal is we still have the rights to VICK. Which means we get compensation if someone else wants him. Excellent move ARTHUR. boobaby………… I dont think the falcons are having problems selling tickets. Put a winner on the field and the fans will come. I cant believe the racial over-tones in the posts above. Sounds to me like alot of people were dogging on Matt because of his skin color. Even mentioning that ANDRE WOODSON would have been a better pick. Face it, the facts state that the Falcons made the right move. Who cares if Matt is white or black……….. APPARENTLY alot of people. Draft a WHITE BOY and the malcontent starts to shine through. Can you honestly say the Falcons made the wrong decision now? The white boy can play. The best thing to come out of the whole deal is we still have the rights to VICK. Which means we get compensation if someone else wants him. Excellent move ARTHUR.

]]> By: boobaby http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-20512 boobaby Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:27:48 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-20512 IT'S JUST THIS SIMPLE IF U WANT TO SELL TICKETS PUT VICK IN MATT OUT! IT’S JUST THIS SIMPLE IF U WANT TO SELL TICKETS PUT VICK IN MATT OUT!

]]> By: michelle http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-20484 michelle Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:45:11 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-20484 Mizzo, I certainly left the Kings when they traded Webber. He made that team. From the basement to the top on the NBA. Then Webbs knee went and the Kings showed their gratitude by showing Webb the door. Well look at them now. Back in the basement. DAMN DAMN DAMN! Mizzo,
I certainly left the Kings when they traded Webber. He made that team. From the basement to the top on the NBA. Then Webbs knee went and the Kings showed their gratitude by showing Webb the door. Well look at them now. Back in the basement. DAMN DAMN DAMN!

]]> By: michelle http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-20483 michelle Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:39:18 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-20483 John. I do however share your vision of racial unity. John.

I do however share your vision of racial unity.

]]> By: michelle http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-2/#comment-20482 michelle Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:37:05 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-20482 John, This site provides a fair voice unlike the msm who often slobbs all over undeserving people. Mike had one person to throw to Crumpler.The offensive line was terrible. He didn't have a consistent running game unless you include him. That being said he made lemonade out of lemons. Matt has been a very good quarterback for Atlanta. Having a good running game helps to make any offense successful since the defense has to respect it thus opening up the passing game. I hope Matt continues to do well. Please don't come here crying bias unless you are willing to discuss the obvious bias in the msm. If you need me to provide you with examples of msm bias, I will be happy to do so. John,

This site provides a fair voice unlike the msm who often slobbs all over undeserving people. Mike had one person to throw to Crumpler.The offensive line was terrible. He didn’t have a consistent running game unless you include him. That being said he made lemonade out of lemons. Matt has been a very good quarterback for Atlanta. Having a good running game helps to make any offense successful since the defense has to respect it thus opening up the passing game. I hope Matt continues to do well. Please don’t come here crying bias unless you are willing to discuss the obvious bias in the msm. If you need me to provide you with examples of msm bias, I will be happy to do so.

]]> By: falcon fan http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-1/#comment-20474 falcon fan Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:13:27 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-20474 i have come from the future and seems like the falcons only have 1 win left to get the playoffs because of the following players: Michael Turner HB (T2 in NFL Rushing and Total TD's) Matt Ryan QB Jerious Norwood HB John Abraham RE (T4 in sacks) i have come from the future and seems like the falcons only have 1 win left to get the playoffs because of the following players:
Michael Turner HB (T2 in NFL Rushing and Total TD’s)
Matt Ryan QB
Jerious Norwood HB
John Abraham RE (T4 in sacks)

]]> By: John http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-1/#comment-17790 John Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:44:48 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-17790 Please excuse my typos and spelling mistakes. in the blog above < I didn't edit my blog. But I think you'll get the gist of where I'm at Please excuse my typos and spelling mistakes. in the blog above < I didn’t edit my blog. But I think you’ll get the gist of where I’m at

]]> By: John http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-1/#comment-17789 John Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:37:41 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-17789 The bias expressed by a lot of people on the site is preetty sad. I like Ryan because he plays for BC where my dad played. I also know that he is hard-working and driven and doesn't go aroung bragging about himself. I went to a Jesuit school (Fordham) and we were taught to be humble. We are also proud to help out our team, country etc just as much as Southerners are. I myself lived in Texas for a year and liked the people a lot- black and white but that doesn't mean >I loved veryone. I don't judge people by their color, height, weight, religion or team preference (though I want Atlanta to win and I'd like to see Matt Ryan do welll. I also hope Vick comes back and is successful whereevr he ends up. He probably was just pushed into the dog thing because hid friends persuded him (Human beings are NOT MY judge- God and my personal conscienec are I Ryan were black and played QB at BC I'd orobably even support him more because I like my black African friends a lot. (I'm a white Catholic by the way and I wouldn't be surprised if some white protestants are wary of a northeastern elitist leading their team. so it isn't only Afro-Americans who protested. Anyway, most of the Atlanta fans have been great sports (certiainy Atlanta's running backs and receivers are doing their part without letting bis stand in the way. So lets all hope - black, white, eskimos, what have you- that Atlanta and Matt does well does well and that VIck gets a QB job somewhere (even Atlanta) and he doesn't let his friends convince him todo any dumb stuff again. By the way, I've done some dumb things myself and it was Jesus who said: "He who is without sin, let he be the one to cast the first ston." John Burke The bias expressed by a lot of people on the site is preetty sad.
I like Ryan because he plays for BC where my dad played. I also
know that he is hard-working
and driven and doesn’t go aroung bragging about himself. I went to a Jesuit school (Fordham) and we were taught to be humble. We are also proud to help out our team, country etc just as much as Southerners are. I myself lived in Texas for a year and liked the people a lot- black and white but that doesn’t mean >I loved veryone. I don’t judge people by their color, height, weight, religion or team preference (though I want Atlanta to win and I’d like to see Matt Ryan do welll. I also hope Vick comes back and is successful whereevr he ends up. He probably was just
pushed into the dog thing because hid friends persuded him
(Human beings are NOT MY judge- God and my personal conscienec are
I Ryan were black and played QB at BC I’d orobably even support him more because I like my black African friends a lot. (I’m a white Catholic by the way and I wouldn’t be surprised if some white protestants are wary of a northeastern elitist leading their team.
so it isn’t only Afro-Americans who protested.
Anyway, most of the Atlanta fans have been great sports (certiainy Atlanta’s running backs and receivers are doing their part without letting bis stand in the way. So lets all hope – black, white, eskimos, what have you- that Atlanta and Matt does well does well and that VIck gets a QB job somewhere (even Atlanta) and he doesn’t let his friends convince him todo
any dumb stuff again. By the way, I’ve done some dumb things myself and it was Jesus who said: “He who is without sin, let he be the one to cast the first ston.” John Burke

]]> By: Friday Fire: Is Black Sports Writing Gone Forever? | The Starting Five http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-1/#comment-17386 Friday Fire: Is Black Sports Writing Gone Forever? | The Starting Five Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:36:59 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-17386 [...] Michael Vick is in jail so the model of his athleticism and powerful arm are behind bars with him? [...] [...] Michael Vick is in jail so the model of his athleticism and powerful arm are behind bars with him? [...]

]]> By: Mizzo http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/comment-page-1/#comment-10528 Mizzo Mon, 05 May 2008 01:37:30 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/02/matt-ryan-or-michael-vick-for-the-fans-is-it-all-about-black-and-white/#comment-10528 True fans root for teams? So the players don't drive the sport? Really? The actual team logos do? Who the heck made you the authority to write a statement so absolute? What about the fans in Philly who left when Iverson, Barkley or Erving left? Or the fans in Boston when their original big three retired? Sacramento and Webber? Miami and Marino? Do you want me to go on because I can? Dude brought up one example of die hard fans in a state where every store says milk, eggs, beer cheese to make a point? True fans root for teams? So the players don’t drive the sport? Really? The actual team logos do?

Who the heck made you the authority to write a statement so absolute?

What about the fans in Philly who left when Iverson, Barkley or Erving left? Or the fans in Boston when their original big three retired? Sacramento and Webber? Miami and Marino?

Do you want me to go on because I can?

Dude brought up one example of die hard fans in a state where every store says milk, eggs, beer cheese to make a point?

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