but at this point Mizz if you want to ban D-Mac you’ve got me backing your play.

I didn’t see nuthin’

Poet you crack me up bruh. I needed that laugh.

I banned the cat once and caught hell from a couple of you (cough Okori cough).

I just want to have a civil discussion on whatever is posted with my people..that’s it.

LP,
ROFLMAO……cool!!

And I do grow tired of him turning every post into his own little neocon sho good nigger me so horny for capm boss charade.

He’s banned at SOMM, I think (at least he was at one time…), and I respect that. His drivel is banal and stale, not to mention racist, sexist, elitist, xenophobic, ignorant, ahistorical, linear, contradictory, etc etc.

So by all means, Miranda, have at it. After all, I shouldn’t be the only one calling him names.

Davidmc takes self hate to a new extreme.

Food for thought.

If Ali was French, you would not know who he was today, because he would have been sheltered overseas and kept from top competition, that is the nature of European boxing, until recently with a few exceptions, those being Prince Hamed and Amir Kahn. As for Wils, he was screwed because he was black, not because he was American.

Louis paid Braddock money for a shot, yeah, so what that is the business. The fact is this, a boxer always made more money fighting in the US than anywhere else in the world, until recently, talking modern boxing as well. Being an American superstar in boxing was like being the QB of a NFL championship team today, you have press coverage, prestige and money.

You failed in your post. You did nothing put show examples of how race held people back, not nationality. Try again next time.

Are you suggesting that an equally skilled Ali who was born in say, France or Argentina would not have had their country behind them? Other countries have historically had a much less of a problem setting up a fight with black boxers. Going back, I would argue that if ANY black boxer was born abroad, then they would be better off. Black boxers ONLY flourished because it was an international sport. Same with other ethnicities…

If Tommy Burns isn’t Canadian (and the fight isn’t in Australia), then Jack Johnson probably never gets a shot at the title. He then is forced to fight abroad for many years where he was treated better than in America. Senegal’s Battling Siki gets a light heavy title shot in the 1920s because a Frenchman (carpentier) gives it to him. Meanwhile Harry Wills never gets a shot becausee Dempsey does not fight any black opponents… Was Wills also lucky to be American? …The only reason Louis gets one is because he followed a 10 step sub-human process and was pimped by Jimmy Braddock for 10% of his career paycheck just to get a title shot (Mr. Cinderella Man my ass). If boxing wasn’t international, the course of history would change. Bottom line: From the 1960’s on down Johnson, Wills, Louis, and Ali would have been personally better off being born abroad assuming their skills were the same… not to mention Sam Langford, Sam Mcvey, and Joe Jeanette… shit, we can take this concept back 100 other years to Tom Molineaux…

This is not to suggest that racism wasn’t rampant abroad, but moreso that in America you had less chance to even get a title shot. All that is to say that Ali would have sold out arenas no matter where he was born… and he would have also had his prime three years back… and there is a lot of evidence that the switching of the draft criteria, but a specific act to nail Ali… part of a long tradition…

The shortsighted and ridiculous point that Jolly Nigger insists upon making is moot: For Ali, “defending” America was never a priority and was never a key to his worldwide popularity. He was a hero to Africans, Asians, Latinos, etc long before he was even tolerated here, which, given the turbulence of the times and the depravity of U.S. foreign policy, was exactly how it should have been.

What America, following the French, was doing in Vietnam was indefensible, so fuck em. Ali gave consciencious people everywhere of every shape and hue - and whether American born or not - a way to see beyond yesterday’s pathetic white supremacist imperialist patriotic jingoism, which (unfortunately) is still being vomited up from the gullet of pigs like Jolly Nigger Dave. We stab it with our steel-y knives, but we just can’t slay the beast!

Listen, yall, let the beast wallow in his own shit. I keep telling you, leave him be. His purpose, as always, is to drive you off course. Shid, it ain’t even fun to call him names anymore. But I damn sure won’t waste any brain cells trying to reason with the Jolly Nigger. Dammit, let a hoe be a hoe, how many times do I gotta tell you?

And to you, Dave The Jolly Nigger, you black summumabitch LOL! Ayo, shut the fuck up and just keep it moving. Seriously, there’s nothing for you to see here…

As for Loius and Patterson, they did not deserve the talk that Ali spewed towards them. As for the generation being better, I doubt that, America would be better off now if blacks were more like Louis, Patterson, and Schuylers or yester year than the state we are in today.

Temple3, try again, you failed at your last post just like you have failed in life.

You must be feeling PARTICULARLY IMPOTENT today. What’s that all about? The last time we danced at TSF, you were ranting on and on about “I don’t care what you say (or think)” to various posters. I knew then that you were being ignored or summarily dismissed by people close to you.

Are these family members, significant others, co-workers?

Who is telling DavidCrack to Go Fuck Yourself?

Sure, I do it - but it’s because I know you’re a disgruntled, quasi-postal coon with an axe to grind. Why do they do it? Is it because you’re a disgruntled under achiever in the midst of a long-standing family argument? Can convince your woman to stay in Mi-Crooked Letter? What’s wrong papi?

As for Louis and Patterson, the back and forth was a two-way street and you know that — please stop. But that fact is really immaterial as all champions could be appreciated for what they brought to the table given the circumstances of their day. It should be no surprise that this happens. All generations are different from the previous ones for good reason — the world has changed. I don’t know why this rule would be any different for black heavyweight champions facing intense prejudice.

Pretty sad.