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		<title>By: michelle</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/07/the-dark-knight/#comment-11136</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 11:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kobe is a great player and he deserves the MVP.</description>
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		<title>By: Deevo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/07/the-dark-knight/#comment-10952</link>
		<dc:creator>Deevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DMac - 

"How in the hell can you give Kobe the MVP over LBJ this year when LBJ is better than Kobe in every statistical category this year except 3P% AND LBJ has a scrub team that got worse mid season."

Easy.  Kobe didn't get the MVP in his memorable 35 ppg season.  Not saying that's LBJ's fault, but c'mon.  If the voters were to reward LBJ for frankly a less-superior season than Kobe's a few years ago in a year where he took a more talented team than Kobe's (recall Smush Parker and Kwame Brown were his fellow starters - playing in the WEST. 'Nuff said) to 4th place in the eastern conference, then THAT would be unbelievably hypocritical.  

Again, I've been basing my posts with the assumption that team success is vital.  I don't like it, but it is what it is, and it's been what it has been the last 5 or so years (Dirk??).  So yes, KB, CP3, and KG all have better claims to the trophy than LBJ IMO, using that criteria.  

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"Main thing is (CP3) was better this year than he was last year, which is wha tI attribute the Honets success to..."

Two things here.

1) I asked the question above - would your opinion change if Kobe was a 3 year player who had averaged 23 ppg a game and whose team never made it to the playoffs before?  

I don't think Kobe should be penalized for playing within the team concept, taking less shots and hence scoring less.  In fact, kudos to the voters for recognizing that that simple change improved him.  Bringing us to...

2) Are you only taking statistics into account when you say "better than last year?"  Because I can tell you now, Kobe has played much better this season than he did last season when he averaged more points.  It's not just about numbers, it's about carrying his team when he needed to, and pumping up his teammates whenever he could.  

You absolutely cannot discount the importance of Kobe's presence on the court.  The team's entire success relied upon it this year.  To say CP3 affected his team's success so much more than Kobe is just not an accurate statement.  

To that point - don't you think having Peja play more than 13 games this year helped open up the floor for CP3, giving him more room to maneuver and helping him dish 3 more assist per game than last year?  It works both ways.  I won't penalize him for his great season for finally having Peja around; as I wouldn't penalize Kobe for having Kupchak trade for Gasol mid-season after Bynum went down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DMac - </p>
<p>&#8220;How in the hell can you give Kobe the MVP over LBJ this year when LBJ is better than Kobe in every statistical category this year except 3P% AND LBJ has a scrub team that got worse mid season.&#8221;</p>
<p>Easy.  Kobe didn&#8217;t get the MVP in his memorable 35 ppg season.  Not saying that&#8217;s LBJ&#8217;s fault, but c&#8217;mon.  If the voters were to reward LBJ for frankly a less-superior season than Kobe&#8217;s a few years ago in a year where he took a more talented team than Kobe&#8217;s (recall Smush Parker and Kwame Brown were his fellow starters - playing in the WEST. &#8216;Nuff said) to 4th place in the eastern conference, then THAT would be unbelievably hypocritical.  </p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;ve been basing my posts with the assumption that team success is vital.  I don&#8217;t like it, but it is what it is, and it&#8217;s been what it has been the last 5 or so years (Dirk??).  So yes, KB, CP3, and KG all have better claims to the trophy than LBJ IMO, using that criteria.  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;Main thing is (CP3) was better this year than he was last year, which is wha tI attribute the Honets success to&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Two things here.</p>
<p>1) I asked the question above - would your opinion change if Kobe was a 3 year player who had averaged 23 ppg a game and whose team never made it to the playoffs before?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Kobe should be penalized for playing within the team concept, taking less shots and hence scoring less.  In fact, kudos to the voters for recognizing that that simple change improved him.  Bringing us to&#8230;</p>
<p>2) Are you only taking statistics into account when you say &#8220;better than last year?&#8221;  Because I can tell you now, Kobe has played much better this season than he did last season when he averaged more points.  It&#8217;s not just about numbers, it&#8217;s about carrying his team when he needed to, and pumping up his teammates whenever he could.  </p>
<p>You absolutely cannot discount the importance of Kobe&#8217;s presence on the court.  The team&#8217;s entire success relied upon it this year.  To say CP3 affected his team&#8217;s success so much more than Kobe is just not an accurate statement.  </p>
<p>To that point - don&#8217;t you think having Peja play more than 13 games this year helped open up the floor for CP3, giving him more room to maneuver and helping him dish 3 more assist per game than last year?  It works both ways.  I won&#8217;t penalize him for his great season for finally having Peja around; as I wouldn&#8217;t penalize Kobe for having Kupchak trade for Gasol mid-season after Bynum went down.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMac</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/07/the-dark-knight/#comment-10949</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about
"If they want to give him the title for past mistakes" 
sounds like I'm talking about his personal problems? Who in the hell would give a man an award for a rape allegation anyway?

I think it was a perfectly clear sentence, and not vague or confusing at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about<br />
&#8220;If they want to give him the title for past mistakes&#8221;<br />
sounds like I&#8217;m talking about his personal problems? Who in the hell would give a man an award for a rape allegation anyway?</p>
<p>I think it was a perfectly clear sentence, and not vague or confusing at all.</p>
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		<title>By: CEvidence</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/07/the-dark-knight/#comment-10947</link>
		<dc:creator>CEvidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine, but your statement wasn't clear enough. It read like you were talking about "his" past mistakes not the leagues or voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine, but your statement wasn&#8217;t clear enough. It read like you were talking about &#8220;his&#8221; past mistakes not the leagues or voters.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMac</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/07/the-dark-knight/#comment-10946</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cevidence, where are you getting that I'm talking about off the court issues? When I say past mistakes, I am referring to the league not giving it to him before when he deserved it over Nash.

As to Deevo.

Regarding Paul last season I attribute that to him being better this year than he was last year.

Year  	Team  	G  	GS  	MPG  	FG%  	3P%  	FT%  	OFF  	DEF  	RPG  	APG  	SPG  	BPG  	TO  	PF  	PPG

06-07 	NOK 	64 	64 	36.8 	0.437 	0.350 	0.818 	0.8 	3.5 	4.4 	8.9 	1.8 	0.1 	2.52 	2.40 	17.3

07-08 	NOH 	80 	80 	37.6 	0.488 	0.369 	0.851 	0.8 	3.2 	4.0 	11.6 	2.7 	0.1 	2.51 	2.30 	21.1

I hope you can understand what I posted it looks weird. Main thing is he was better this year than he was last year, which is wha tI attribute the Honets success to.

As for Odom, you may be right, he may be a better #3 option, but I still say Gasol has been and can be a #1 scoring option so that is a advantage Kobe has going for him.

Also Memphis without Gasol is still leagues worse than LA without Kobe. LA still had Odom, Bynum, Farmar, Fisher, and Radmonovic. The grizzlies have what Rudy Gay and Mike Conley Jr., I take the Laker's squad everyday.

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Bottom line to me is this, if they are going to give Nash MVP in 05 and 06 why not give it to Paul this year who when he has better stats than Nash had his 2 MVP years.

As for LBJ and Kobe

How in the hell can you give Kobe the MVP over LBJ this year when LBJ is better than Kobe in every statistical category this year except 3P% AND LBJ has a scrub team that got worse mid season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cevidence, where are you getting that I&#8217;m talking about off the court issues? When I say past mistakes, I am referring to the league not giving it to him before when he deserved it over Nash.</p>
<p>As to Deevo.</p>
<p>Regarding Paul last season I attribute that to him being better this year than he was last year.</p>
<p>Year  	Team  	G  	GS  	MPG  	FG%  	3P%  	FT%  	OFF  	DEF  	RPG  	APG  	SPG  	BPG  	TO  	PF  	PPG</p>
<p>06-07 	NOK 	64 	64 	36.8 	0.437 	0.350 	0.818 	0.8 	3.5 	4.4 	8.9 	1.8 	0.1 	2.52 	2.40 	17.3</p>
<p>07-08 	NOH 	80 	80 	37.6 	0.488 	0.369 	0.851 	0.8 	3.2 	4.0 	11.6 	2.7 	0.1 	2.51 	2.30 	21.1</p>
<p>I hope you can understand what I posted it looks weird. Main thing is he was better this year than he was last year, which is wha tI attribute the Honets success to.</p>
<p>As for Odom, you may be right, he may be a better #3 option, but I still say Gasol has been and can be a #1 scoring option so that is a advantage Kobe has going for him.</p>
<p>Also Memphis without Gasol is still leagues worse than LA without Kobe. LA still had Odom, Bynum, Farmar, Fisher, and Radmonovic. The grizzlies have what Rudy Gay and Mike Conley Jr., I take the Laker&#8217;s squad everyday.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Bottom line to me is this, if they are going to give Nash MVP in 05 and 06 why not give it to Paul this year who when he has better stats than Nash had his 2 MVP years.</p>
<p>As for LBJ and Kobe</p>
<p>How in the hell can you give Kobe the MVP over LBJ this year when LBJ is better than Kobe in every statistical category this year except 3P% AND LBJ has a scrub team that got worse mid season.</p>
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		<title>By: CEvidence</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/07/the-dark-knight/#comment-10937</link>
		<dc:creator>CEvidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DMac @ 1:02 PM - May 8th

"Like Cevidence said earlier, if they wanted to give him the title for past mistakes that is one thing but don’t make him this year’s MVP, that is Chris Paul."

I'm not taking a shot at you or whatever, but still...I was not talking about ANY mistakes the man committed off the court that do not involve bball. I'm talking about strickly on the court, how he should have recieved one for his performance years before, but this year, based on performance it goes to Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DMac @ 1:02 PM - May 8th</p>
<p>&#8220;Like Cevidence said earlier, if they wanted to give him the title for past mistakes that is one thing but don’t make him this year’s MVP, that is Chris Paul.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not taking a shot at you or whatever, but still&#8230;I was not talking about ANY mistakes the man committed off the court that do not involve bball. I&#8217;m talking about strickly on the court, how he should have recieved one for his performance years before, but this year, based on performance it goes to Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: mcbias</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/07/the-dark-knight/#comment-10925</link>
		<dc:creator>mcbias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting issue is how much guilt Shaq and P-Jax have to bear for their continual attempts to throw Kobe in front of the media bus. I say quite a bit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting issue is how much guilt Shaq and P-Jax have to bear for their continual attempts to throw Kobe in front of the media bus. I say quite a bit!</p>
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