“As for Bonds, how is personality intertwined with race? Your personality is no more intertwined with your race than it is with your eye color or whether you are right handed or left handed. That is a foolish statement to try to pass off.”

I was referring to the media’s REACTION to Barry Bonds. Which is to say that “the black jerk” often gets far worse coverage than “the white jerk”. I have no interest in detailing this basic fact for you right now, but only to clear up the miscommunication.

Again, you are mis interpreting my words. So this is the last time I’ll respond to you on this topic seriously.

I had typed out a whole response to you. But just erased it. No point in even arguing with you. I respect your opinion, don’t agree with it, but I’ll try to respect it.

But clearly, I dont “make up facts” to support my argument. I work in and have worked in media outlets and have seen plenty of the practices I have pointed out. I know exactly what I hear and have heard multiple times. And if you don’t think the bias is there in a lot of situations, then fine, suit yourself, believe what you want.

How would you like to have a father as talented as Mantle…who becomes first 40/40 man even though they’d assumed Mantle would be the first…and just hearing stories of your father’s alcoholism. Your DAD never gets the respect of the media. You grow up in the club house when your father is in town and live Mays and McCovey …you don’t see him as much even though you have this talent because obviously he’s on the road. You hit bomb after colossal and memorable bomb and look over to the stands and see a ghost of your DAD. Someone walks by you with the stench of alcohol and you think of your DAD. You want to surpass his talent out of anger, fear, frustration and sadness. You open the paper to see what your DAD did the night before but the horrible stories smack you in the face over and over and over and over and over. You see the smirks and bullshit ass quirks of the “writer/reporter/dumbass/racist/jealous” cat.

They love and laugh around the lockers of the Van Slykes and the Jeff Kents even though they both are vastly inferior in talent…but smiles abound…

How would this affect you? As you grow into a fine ball player, you are asked the same dumb ass questions your father was asked over and over and over and over and over (pre steroids).

What would keep you from being the asshole everyone says you are?

Why can’t just one reporter ask him about the smell of the grass or his exchange with a diamond eyed child who put a tear in his eye?

This is say 15 years of the same questions over a 162 game season. Could you imagine?

Can you relate as a fan who just sees Bonds’ sound bites and not those of the “messenger”?

I can go on if you want…

Really, really be there… uncanny isn’t it? LOL! look over in the distance (Alabama), it’s a parrot, it’s a Lemming it’s a… pamming(?)

Okay that was realy bad, but DavidMac has proven to be without the singular ability that seperates sensible sports fan from the herd. This one ability is curiosity. Curiosity is fundamental to all sentient beings, and seperates them from a bag of hammers.

He parrots the mainstream media’s lies to the T, without any serious curiosity to urge him to seek out alternative views.

If you follow this guys responses you’ll realize after awhile, he’ll just vomit up the same stuff over and over and hopes the splash back hits your nice clean arguments.

Back off MODI, even your well known patience will not be able to save you if you persist. This guy is like the Terminator, bullits, bombs, reason will not faze him as he doggedly heads for his target. That is to preserve the standard caste system designed by his heroes… anythig to the right of…well anything.

You gave me some incidents and compared them to a man people hated, Bonds, and tried to pass it off as being racist, ignoring the similar events such as Pettitte , Ankiel, Matthews Jr., Sheffield, and etc. Where you have black and white athletes use of supplements getting ignored.

As for offering me something comparable to Bonds and Giambi switching places how. First nothing you can offer is comparable because there is not another person who is going to be able to break the career HR record anytime soon, so you can say look they didn’t do Barry like that. Second the examples you did give, when I countered with examples which are the exact same except with blacks you disregard it.

As for Bonds, how is personality intertwined with race? Your personality is no more intertwined with your race than it is with your eye color or whether you are right handed or left handed. That is a foolish statement to try to pass off.

Clemens is considered the pitching version quality of Bonds, McGwire is a HOFer who went for 7O Hrs and 6 SI covers that year, Pettite is very important because of his relationship to Clemens… Ankiel while normally insignificant was THE feel-good story last year

There is no “worldview” — just facts you stated: “I’m sure if the roles were switched between him and Giambi the same thing would happen and nothing would change.” …and I offered you a litany of COMPARABLE facts.

Even still you actually agreed with me in the end, perhaps without realizing it. you just seemed to attribute the Bonds treatment more to personality than race. Of course it is both which are inextricably intertwined. but that is another issue. i’m glad that we agree on something.

As for McGwire, there was no rule that banned steroids at the time so how was he breaking a rule and cheating?

Also for every white one there are black ones who get a pass as well, Gary Matthews Jr. being one.

The reason Barry is targeted is because the media hates him as a person so they really stuck it to him, this didn’t happen to Ankiel, Pettite, Glaus, Matthews Jr, Sheffield, and etc. because they are more likeable figures.

Firstly, it is well documented that the Bonds treatment dates back to at least 15 years from the media… but to your statement:

Why are you sure of this? Based on what information? What precedence? Are you familiar with Operation Equine and Mark mcGwire in 1991. That’s right — 1991. No media for 14 years? Why no stories? Why does no one even know about Operation Equine today despite it dwarfing BALCO. Why nothing as he ran for a historic 70 HRs? Why won’t any media outlet ever refer to this landmark 2005 article on McGwire and operation equine? http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/2005/03/13/2005-03-13_hitting_the_mark_fbi_informa.html

When the Jason Grimsley report came out implicating Clemens and Pettite (since allegedly called false — but there is conflicting info from David Segui), why did NO MEDIA OUTLET investigate it? Why did no one in media continue to bring up the allegations in their articles… Why did he continue to get stellar media?

Why has every single HGH bust (Ankiel; Glaus; Pettite) come from only the NY Daily News, yet all these people received kid gloves from national media?

Every possible example of a white hero getting busted is evidence that contradicts your statement. So if every possible precedence contradicts your statement, then why do you make it?

You are right, they did go after Bonds, but then again I believe Bonds was the only one from the BALCO trial and congressional testimony that was about to break one of the big records in American sports, so it made sense to target him. I’m sure if the roles were switched between him and Giambi the same thing would happen and nothing would change.

As for Clemens, correct me if I’m wrong but I do not believe he was directly involved with the BALCO situation was he, which is where the GoS guys got a great deal of their facts from.

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Like it has been discussed before, the reason they go after Bonds is because the guy is a surly, arrogant, asshole who treated the media like shit. If he was nicer and was more genial with the media they probably wouldn’t be coming after him like they are doing now. Which leads to my contention that they targeted Bonds because of who he is, not the color of his skin.

With the exception of the NY Daily News, the media has been very kind to clemens. And i will state this again. I was THE MEDIA ITSELF (Game of Shadows; Excerpt on SI; ESPN; etc.) that came after Bonds. GOS authors spent TWO YEARS investigating him. yet they IGNORED Clemens, until he was outed by 1) The Mitchell Report; 2) His own terrible mishandling on every conceivable turn; 3) Congressional hearing; and then 4) the NY Daily News.

The media was FORCED to cover Clemens like it was once FORCED to cover McGwire — after not investigating him for 10 years despite federal stings (operation Equine) and bulging muscles.

When you are going to make a claim about media treatment, you must start with who they PROACTIVELY go after.

If Congress and Mitchell did not out everybody’s white heroes, then Bonds would still essentially be the lone gunman today…

Yo Cevidence check out thsess links I sent brotha Modi about this former Utah State player.

I wonder if this guy would have looked like Mayo or Bush would the media have covered his past criminal record…………YOU BET!!!

Heck if he looked like Mayo and Bush he probably would have never gotten the chance played ball in college.

utahstateaggies.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/pak_david00.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060316/news_1s16pak.html

The fact is I’ve yet to see an example of how OJ MAYO has been treated wrongly because of his skin color. People pull out all of these strenuous connections to other events and situations which themselves aren’t racist and try to put that in a post about OJ MAYO.

Until there is proof about OJ only being investigated because he is black, why spread that notion out there.

You keep asking for evidence, you get directed to different examples; you twist and turn enough to ignore the answers to your question and get back into slinging wack shit! Dude, cock roaches don’t have the fortitude you do. I commend you for your stamina, what you believe in, you believe in strongly.

This reminds me of the people I deal with in my line of work; they like you done swallowed the blue pill.

http://www.whysanity.net/monos/matrix3.html