I’ve done my own research as well while I was in, and after graduation that will show the EXACT OPPOSITE when it comes to AA. But whatever…I know what I’ve lived and seen with my own two eyes.

It’s not the dissent that annoys me. Don’t get it twisted.

I ain’t never scared. You should know that by now.

Thomas Sowell isn’t wrong about everything. In fact, he’s the one who argues that the elements of what is called “Black Culture” that are dysfunctional actually spring from our forced proximity to “whites” - specifically Irish and Scottish rural types with little sophistication, education or civilization. It’s an interesting thesis - one that took him three decades to put forth - but it’s been argued by folks Blacker than he for at least two centuries.

A good walk through a library (with the purpose of reading early European travel narratives in Africa) will demonstrate that Africans did not arrive with many of the cultural practices which are now closely associated with Blacks by “racialists” and “white supremacists.” Quite the contrary. Ahh, but the Scottish and Irish did - especially those who would inhabit penal colonies like Georgia.

Sowell is not always wrong - but he often lacks the courage to speak truth to power since they pay his bills.

@CEvidence

After the banning of AA in public programs college rates for blacks have risen.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell010803.asp (Thomas Sowell)
What about the notion that affirmative action has helped blacks rise out of poverty? The black poverty rate was cut in half before affirmative action — and has barely changed since then.

What about the notion that blacks would not be able to get into colleges and universities without affirmative action? After group preferences and quotas were banned in California’s state universities, the number of black students in the University of California system has risen.

“Minority students are systematically mismatched with institutions” due to racial preferences, where they underperform relative to the student body. Had they gone to an institution without the help of affirmative action, to a less selective school, they would have received better grades and graduated at higher rates.
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Food for thought.

I can’t tell from your post if your comment ““Respect isn’t given, it’s earned.” was directed to me. I just want to be clear.

If it was, please re-read what I wrote.

If you understand the nature of your enemy (and they are enemies - not merely fellow citizens), and you re-read what I wrote, you’d know I won’t be any stupid shit like that to my children. My children will not under any circumstances be conditioned to seek respect from other people — especially their enemies.

I said: “You get the credit that you claim - and you own what you can keep.” This has absolutely nothing to do with seeking, needing or being validated by the respect of others. My position reflects a victorious consciousness - one born of a crystal clear understanding of who I am and who “WE” have been. The other reflects a plantation consciousness. I don’t do plantation.

I suspect you were probably speaking to someone else. If not, once again, please take the time to re-read the original post. I think you’ll find that it will satisfactorily answer your question and provide a viable, replicable roadmap for you to use with family, friends and loved ones. There is no substitute for excellence and knowledge of self…all else is delusion - including the “respect” of other men who deem you inferior based on their own misunderstandings of themselves - and by extension, their misunderstanding of the historical and collective “you.”

I meant schools in those states are not longer using Affirmative Action when admitting freshmen students.

Did you not read when I said that this is bigger than Obama? I’m not talking about him in this situation, what I am talking about is that basic excuse used against minorites period. I know that he does not have the wrap sheet of some politicans around. I know that and have said that before to other friends who speak on this situation. Now I don’t agree that it should certainlly rule him out, but anyway…

End Affirmative Action…hmmmmm….I’ve thought about that side of the argument, and done my research on it as well. And honestly I don’t fully agree with that. I don’t see us really working without. Why? Because in states like Florida, Texas and California, that no longer use race based ideals in college admissions; the acceptance and retention rates of minorites have fallen off dramatically over the years. And that bothers me. It really does, because if that trend is kept up, does that mean the gap between the haves and have nots grows even further apart? Living in a country where AA isn’t needed is perfectly fine…but I don’t think we’ve gotten there yet. And honestly I don’t think we ever will.

Unless you are a mind reader, you’ll have to do better than the tired liberal line of “somone is pulling their strings” at least with me you will.

So what the Bush 43 broke the record of executed criminals. They probably deserved to die.

Lower taxes helps everyone, big business, small business, wealthy and middle class. Is this a group that would vote for him? Yes and No, this is a collection of the largest groups in America, so you have a great deal that would vote for him and a great deal that wouldn’t depending on their political ideology.

If you don’t like my sources, I can’t do anything about that, I only present credible sites. Show me some sources that support your stance.

I don’t think anyone is sleeping on China, its just that their economic system does not have a solid base and can easily fail, and fail quickly at that.

As for your view of Obama, I see where your angle now and it is interesting .

Prove how Obama isn’t where he is because he is black. Obama himself admitted that he only got national prominance because of his skin color, so tell me how is it wrong to admit that fact. Race helped Obama, period.

If you want to get people to stop holding race against you, support the abolishment of Affirmitive Action. It places that fear in everyone’s mind, justified and unjustified, and it hasn’t helped the people it was targeted to help.

Everyone meets the criteria to be president, or will meet the criteria provided they live long enough, were born here, and don’t run afoul of the law.

That doesn’t mean they are qualified though.

As for questioning Obama’s qualifications , why is it comical to question his readiness for office yet defend Pat B. explain please?

@Co Co

Whenever you get back,

I agree being out of the establishment is a good thing, Bush 43 was as well, but looking at how Obama votes and his views, what is different about them than John Edwards or Michael Dukakis? He is the same politically as those two the only difference is he is black.

I don’t have a problem with a fresh faced or old guy with new ideas, but if that is what you are looking for, what new ideas does Obama really bring?

LOL — if that is what you are going to tell your children after they bust their ass to get what they deserve then fine. When someone accuses them of getting where they are because of their race that wont be an adequate answer. But that’s still not going to be enough to the majority population who tend to think they got where they are because of their race. Trust that sentiment isn’t going to change ONE OUNCE as the years pass.