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	<title>Comments on: Friday Fire: Where&#8217;s the Furor Over Pat Buchanan?!?</title>
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		<title>By: DavidMac</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11818</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living is not scientific proof and what you have experienced is not a good indicator of what is happening. If you have done the research please post it, I would like to see it.</description>
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		<title>By: Cevidence</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11817</link>
		<dc:creator>Cevidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Mizzo on this one. I&#039;m done with it. 

I&#039;ve done my own research as well while I was in, and after graduation that will show the EXACT OPPOSITE when it comes to AA. But whatever...I know what I&#039;ve lived and seen with my own two eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Mizzo on this one. I&#8217;m done with it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done my own research as well while I was in, and after graduation that will show the EXACT OPPOSITE when it comes to AA. But whatever&#8230;I know what I&#8217;ve lived and seen with my own two eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11816</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your stance on pretty much everything is the disparate of mine so I choose to stay out of it. You are all about the bait.

It&#039;s not the dissent that annoys me. Don&#039;t get it twisted.

I ain&#039;t never scared. You should know that by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your stance on pretty much everything is the disparate of mine so I choose to stay out of it. You are all about the bait.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the dissent that annoys me. Don&#8217;t get it twisted.</p>
<p>I ain&#8217;t never scared. You should know that by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11810</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 14:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miranda:

Thomas Sowell isn&#039;t wrong about everything.  In fact, he&#039;s the one who argues that the elements of what is called &quot;Black Culture&quot; that are dysfunctional actually spring from our forced proximity to &quot;whites&quot; - specifically Irish and Scottish rural types with little sophistication, education or civilization.  It&#039;s an interesting thesis - one that took him three decades to put forth - but it&#039;s been argued by folks Blacker than he for at least two centuries.  

A good walk through a library (with the purpose of reading early European travel narratives in Africa) will demonstrate that Africans did not arrive with many of the cultural practices which are now closely associated with Blacks by &quot;racialists&quot; and &quot;white supremacists.&quot;  Quite the contrary.  Ahh, but the Scottish and Irish did - especially those who would inhabit penal colonies like Georgia.  

Sowell is not always wrong - but he often lacks the courage to speak truth to power since they pay his bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miranda:</p>
<p>Thomas Sowell isn&#8217;t wrong about everything.  In fact, he&#8217;s the one who argues that the elements of what is called &#8220;Black Culture&#8221; that are dysfunctional actually spring from our forced proximity to &#8220;whites&#8221; &#8211; specifically Irish and Scottish rural types with little sophistication, education or civilization.  It&#8217;s an interesting thesis &#8211; one that took him three decades to put forth &#8211; but it&#8217;s been argued by folks Blacker than he for at least two centuries.  </p>
<p>A good walk through a library (with the purpose of reading early European travel narratives in Africa) will demonstrate that Africans did not arrive with many of the cultural practices which are now closely associated with Blacks by &#8220;racialists&#8221; and &#8220;white supremacists.&#8221;  Quite the contrary.  Ahh, but the Scottish and Irish did &#8211; especially those who would inhabit penal colonies like Georgia.  </p>
<p>Sowell is not always wrong &#8211; but he often lacks the courage to speak truth to power since they pay his bills.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMac</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11809</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Thomas Sowell is a wise man, who made something out of his life, even though he came from a poor family.  I guess you don&#039;t believe things like that can happen so you have to discredit him, right Miranda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Thomas Sowell is a wise man, who made something out of his life, even though he came from a poor family.  I guess you don&#8217;t believe things like that can happen so you have to discredit him, right Miranda?</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11808</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear Lord.............is he really quoting Thomas Sowell??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear Lord&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.is he really quoting Thomas Sowell??</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMac</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11807</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizzo, you can&#039;t comment on anything I said so you cower and try to dismiss me. I expect better from you.

@CEvidence

After the banning of AA in public programs college rates for blacks have risen.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell010803.asp (Thomas Sowell)
    What about the notion that affirmative action has helped blacks rise out of poverty? The black poverty rate was cut in half before affirmative action — and has barely changed since then.

    What about the notion that blacks would not be able to get into colleges and universities without affirmative action? After group preferences and quotas were banned in California&#039;s state universities, the number of black students in the University of California system has risen.

    &quot;Minority students are systematically mismatched with institutions&quot; due to racial preferences, where they underperform relative to the student body. Had they gone to an institution without the help of affirmative action, to a less selective school, they would have received better grades and graduated at higher rates.
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Food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizzo, you can&#8217;t comment on anything I said so you cower and try to dismiss me. I expect better from you.</p>
<p>@CEvidence</p>
<p>After the banning of AA in public programs college rates for blacks have risen.<br />
<a href="http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell010803.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell010803.asp</a> (Thomas Sowell)<br />
    What about the notion that affirmative action has helped blacks rise out of poverty? The black poverty rate was cut in half before affirmative action — and has barely changed since then.</p>
<p>    What about the notion that blacks would not be able to get into colleges and universities without affirmative action? After group preferences and quotas were banned in California&#8217;s state universities, the number of black students in the University of California system has risen.</p>
<p>    &#8220;Minority students are systematically mismatched with institutions&#8221; due to racial preferences, where they underperform relative to the student body. Had they gone to an institution without the help of affirmative action, to a less selective school, they would have received better grades and graduated at higher rates.<br />
&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11784</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen people. If DMac is Black then he knows what we are speaking of. Stop paying homage to his disruptive ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen people. If DMac is Black then he knows what we are speaking of. Stop paying homage to his disruptive ass.</p>
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		<title>By: CEvidence</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11783</link>
		<dc:creator>CEvidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 21:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL...Temple3  I was talking to DMac...that &quot;respect isn&#039;t given is earned&quot; ideal is a joke to me. Maybe that is how it SHOULD be, but when someone can write off all the hard work I or other minorities have done with a simple comment like &quot;He only got here because he&#039;s black&quot; or a &quot;She only got here because she is a woman&quot; -- respect in those terms is a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;Temple3  I was talking to DMac&#8230;that &#8220;respect isn&#8217;t given is earned&#8221; ideal is a joke to me. Maybe that is how it SHOULD be, but when someone can write off all the hard work I or other minorities have done with a simple comment like &#8220;He only got here because he&#8217;s black&#8221; or a &#8220;She only got here because she is a woman&#8221; &#8212; respect in those terms is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11779</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 15:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cevidence:

I can&#039;t tell from your post if your comment &quot;“Respect isn’t given, it’s earned.” was directed to me.  I just want to be clear.

If it was, please re-read what I wrote.

If you understand the nature of your enemy (and they are enemies - not merely fellow citizens),  and you re-read what I wrote, you&#039;d know I won&#039;t be any stupid shit like that to my children.  My children will not under any circumstances be conditioned to seek respect from other people --- especially their enemies.

I said:  &quot;You get the credit that you claim - and you own what you can keep.&quot;  This has absolutely nothing to do with seeking, needing or being validated by the respect of others.  My position reflects a victorious consciousness - one born of a crystal clear understanding of who I am and who &quot;WE&quot; have been.  The other reflects a plantation consciousness.  I don&#039;t do plantation.  

I suspect you were probably speaking to someone else.  If not, once again, please take the time to re-read the original post.  I think you&#039;ll find that it will satisfactorily answer your question and provide a viable, replicable roadmap for you to use with family, friends and loved ones.  There is no substitute for excellence and knowledge of self...all else is delusion - including the &quot;respect&quot; of other men who deem you inferior based on their own misunderstandings of themselves - and by extension, their misunderstanding of the historical and collective &quot;you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cevidence:</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell from your post if your comment &#8220;“Respect isn’t given, it’s earned.” was directed to me.  I just want to be clear.</p>
<p>If it was, please re-read what I wrote.</p>
<p>If you understand the nature of your enemy (and they are enemies &#8211; not merely fellow citizens),  and you re-read what I wrote, you&#8217;d know I won&#8217;t be any stupid shit like that to my children.  My children will not under any circumstances be conditioned to seek respect from other people &#8212; especially their enemies.</p>
<p>I said:  &#8220;You get the credit that you claim &#8211; and you own what you can keep.&#8221;  This has absolutely nothing to do with seeking, needing or being validated by the respect of others.  My position reflects a victorious consciousness &#8211; one born of a crystal clear understanding of who I am and who &#8220;WE&#8221; have been.  The other reflects a plantation consciousness.  I don&#8217;t do plantation.  </p>
<p>I suspect you were probably speaking to someone else.  If not, once again, please take the time to re-read the original post.  I think you&#8217;ll find that it will satisfactorily answer your question and provide a viable, replicable roadmap for you to use with family, friends and loved ones.  There is no substitute for excellence and knowledge of self&#8230;all else is delusion &#8211; including the &#8220;respect&#8221; of other men who deem you inferior based on their own misunderstandings of themselves &#8211; and by extension, their misunderstanding of the historical and collective &#8220;you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cevidence</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11777</link>
		<dc:creator>Cevidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 14:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DMac --

I meant schools in those states are not longer using Affirmative Action when admitting freshmen students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DMac &#8211;</p>
<p>I meant schools in those states are not longer using Affirmative Action when admitting freshmen students.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11768</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S2N,
Chris Matthews took that poor innocent to school......what a clinic.....that guy is probably still swollen from that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S2N,<br />
Chris Matthews took that poor innocent to school&#8230;&#8230;what a clinic&#8230;..that guy is probably still swollen from that one.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMac</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11762</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 19:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CEvidence, what do you mean race based ideals in college admissions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CEvidence, what do you mean race based ideals in college admissions?</p>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11760</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 19:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat is an ASSSSSS!</description>
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		<title>By: CEvidence</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/05/16/friday-fire-wheres-the-furor-over-pat-buchanan/comment-page-1/#comment-11748</link>
		<dc:creator>CEvidence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 06:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dmac --

Did you not read when I said that this is bigger than Obama? I&#039;m not talking about him in this situation, what I am talking about is that basic excuse used against minorites period. I know that he does not have the wrap sheet of some politicans around. I know that and have said that before to other friends who speak on this situation. Now I don&#039;t agree that it should certainlly rule him out, but anyway...

End Affirmative Action...hmmmmm....I&#039;ve thought about that side of the argument, and done my research on it as well. And honestly I don&#039;t fully agree with that. I don&#039;t see us really working without. Why? Because in states like Florida, Texas and California, that no longer use race based ideals in college admissions; the acceptance and retention rates of minorites have fallen off dramatically over the years. And that bothers me. It really does, because if that trend is kept up, does that mean the gap between the haves and have nots grows even further apart? Living in a country where AA isn&#039;t needed is perfectly fine...but I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve gotten there yet. And honestly I don&#039;t think we ever will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dmac &#8211;</p>
<p>Did you not read when I said that this is bigger than Obama? I&#8217;m not talking about him in this situation, what I am talking about is that basic excuse used against minorites period. I know that he does not have the wrap sheet of some politicans around. I know that and have said that before to other friends who speak on this situation. Now I don&#8217;t agree that it should certainlly rule him out, but anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>End Affirmative Action&#8230;hmmmmm&#8230;.I&#8217;ve thought about that side of the argument, and done my research on it as well. And honestly I don&#8217;t fully agree with that. I don&#8217;t see us really working without. Why? Because in states like Florida, Texas and California, that no longer use race based ideals in college admissions; the acceptance and retention rates of minorites have fallen off dramatically over the years. And that bothers me. It really does, because if that trend is kept up, does that mean the gap between the haves and have nots grows even further apart? Living in a country where AA isn&#8217;t needed is perfectly fine&#8230;but I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve gotten there yet. And honestly I don&#8217;t think we ever will.</p>
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