Comments on: NBA On TNT Western Conference Finals Notes: “I don’t think he’s a dirty player at all, he’s gotten a reputation that’s not merited”

By: thebrotherreport

thebrotherreport — Wed, 28 May 2008 15:22:49 +0000

I’m still hot over the fact that he isn’t in the Top 50

By: Okori

Okori — Wed, 28 May 2008 14:59:35 +0000

and Bernard King.

By: thebrotherreport

thebrotherreport — Wed, 28 May 2008 14:55:46 +0000

Can say the same for Andrew Toney.

By: Okori

Okori — Wed, 28 May 2008 14:13:17 +0000

I guess because of the 1 season in Portland, and maybe… the UCLA stuff. I dunno how else to be honest.

We do not know how good he might have been with today’s medical technology.

By: GrandNubian

GrandNubian — Fri, 23 May 2008 16:41:58 +0000

How the hell did Bill Walton end up on the 50 greatest list?

By: Mizzo

Mizzo — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:01:52 +0000

Dream could have been a two guard by today’s standards. He was that talented.

By: Okori

Okori — Fri, 23 May 2008 13:07:15 +0000

no Drazen didn’t play in Portland. Drazen, by all accounts, HATED portland. This perhaps had something to do with the fact that the Blazers gave Drazen, who was the reigning European player of the year, a sliding scale of MPG that started out at 12 a game and ended up going to 7. He was traded to NJ and Portland looked like idiots.

and… the old basketball heads i knew from Yugoslavia who I met doing social work tell me that he was even better in Europe than he was here.

By: thebrotherreport

thebrotherreport — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:28:20 +0000

If we had to go with best to never play in the NBA still living I would say Oscar Schmidt. But overall, no doubt Len Bias

By: thebrotherreport

thebrotherreport — Fri, 23 May 2008 12:15:51 +0000

Ditto on Sarunas and Petro, Walton or Robinson over Malone…yeah ok!

If Olajuwan is top 5 Malone is top 5 because of Malone’s tuteledge to “Dream”. I can name 3 centers that played in this era better than Walton, all three went to Georgetown.

Dude never played a full season and only scored 6,200 pts, Malone grabbed more offensive rebounds than that. And I like Walton but he isn’t nealy in the same class as Malone

By: MODI

MODI — Fri, 23 May 2008 04:25:05 +0000

co-sign that first post Temple.

Bowen is a great defensive technician, a great story, but he is straight dirty and there is a mountain of evidence on youtube.

Kobe is just getting new PR advice and is probably developing a new attitude as well…

By: Mizzo

Mizzo — Fri, 23 May 2008 01:53:05 +0000

Yeah Drazen’s game was magnificent. Did he play in Portland too?

“Joe D couldn’t guard him the help of Bull Connor and a firehose.”

Damn that’s some shit.

By: Temple3

Temple3 — Fri, 23 May 2008 01:35:24 +0000

Thanks Mizzo for cleaning that up…Sarunas was the truth.

By the way, Drazen Petrovic was the only player other than Michael Jordan that I saw give Joe Dumars absolute fits. Joe D couldn’t guard him the help of Bull Connor and a firehose. They had some great battles. Petrovic’s death is probably a reason (over the long-term) that the team is moving to Jersey today. Chuck Daly’s crew of Petro, Mookie Blaylock, Derrick Coleman, Chris Morris, and a healthy Sam Bowie was on the verge of some things. Never happened though.

By: Temple3

Temple3 — Fri, 23 May 2008 01:30:40 +0000

The best player to never play in “the Association” - Len Bias.

By: Okori

Okori — Fri, 23 May 2008 01:00:05 +0000

oh god i did forget about him.

and that’s why you have to respect the way the Spurs do things. they find the guys who are key contributors on top international teams and let them ripen until they are ready to contribute.

By: Mizzo

Mizzo — Fri, 23 May 2008 00:05:24 +0000

Are we forgetting about Sarunas Marciulionis? Dude was a monster and would boof it on you with the left off the break or coming down the lane. His game was eerily similar to Ginobli’s.

By: Mizzo

Mizzo — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:52:59 +0000

David Robinson or Bill Walton over Moses Malone? Seriously…you mean combined right?

By: Okori

Okori — Thu, 22 May 2008 22:53:25 +0000

Detlef Schrempf is German. just wanted to let you know that.

By: Jerold Wells Jr

Jerold Wells Jr — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:53:50 +0000

Couple of things. Bowen is dirty, the slide under the jump shooter thing is gonna wreck somebody’s ankle sooner or later. He won’t stop until somebody punches him in the face. Today’s Argentines are good but I’ll take the late 80’s early 90’s Lithuanian/Yugoslav/Croats (forgive me if I mangled the regions there for all you geography buffs) by a long shot. Who are we comparing here…. Ginobili (top five shooting guard in the league) Scola, Oberto and Nocioni (role players) to Drazen Petrovic, Vlade Divac, Toni Kukoc, Detlef Schrempf and Arvydas Sabonis? Petrovic, Kukoc and Schrempf were legit stars in the League. Divac and Sabonis played pivotal roles title contenders. I really don’t see a valid comparison there. Lastly, Top five centers have to include Shaq, I’m going with him instead of Malone. Hell, give me Robinson and/or Walton instead of Malone.

By: Okori

Okori — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:56:28 +0000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvydas_Sabonis

dude is one of the most accomplished centers ever. and he could step out and hit j’s from all over the court, run the floor, and was a slick-passing big man.

he could have been lower half of top 5. Olajuwon in his prime v. Sabonis in his prime is something I want to see.

By: thebrotherreport

thebrotherreport — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:42:04 +0000

I’ve heard it said many times that if Sabonis had started his career in the NBA he would’ve been a Top 5 All-Time Center. I struggle with that thought maybe Top 10.

1.Chamberlain
2.Russell
3.Jabbar
4.Malone
5.Olajuwan

By: Okori

Okori — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:21:26 +0000

wel… it’s difficult to say. I mean the Lithuanian guys had Sabonis who, and people forget this now because of what he was at the end of his career, was a fearsome post presence. But i’d argue the Argentinians but just barely.

and this is an excellent Friday Fire question: best player to never play in the NBA

By: thebrotherreport

thebrotherreport — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:09:23 +0000

I think the dirty label tag came when he gave Ray Allen (who isn’t the toughest guy in the world) a couple of hard fouls. Allen said he was a dirty player and some took it and ran with it

By: GrandNubian

GrandNubian — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:02:38 +0000

I think Kobe’s right….I personally don’t think of Bowen as a “dirty” player….he’s basically a “throw-back” from the days of old, when the rules were “man rules”; not like the “sissy” rules of today (hand-check, defensive 3-seconds, etc.)

He reminds me a lot of Derrick McKey.

By: thebrotherreport

thebrotherreport — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:46:19 +0000

Which players do you think are better. Today’s Argentinian players in the NBA or the players from Lithuania/Split Croatia of the early-mid 1990’s?

By: Okori

Okori — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:30:33 +0000

yeah.. they traded him to Houston.