Real Rap? Damn right! I gotta have this. Dropped yesterday. Get that!
This is what I’m talking about when I say Be Peace my people for the future I speak of is almost now…
I can’t knock the hustle of the brothas who don’t speak their true heart, but it’s time for the other side of the game.
I can’t give up on Hip Hop. My sons deserve the right to pass it to their sons who will be grandfathers.
After getting off the midnight shift back in the day, my boy and I, Sean Bishop, waited outside Jack’s wrecka stow and subsequently ran into the store to cop Fear of a Black Planet. We then stayed in the same parking space and listened to the entire album puffin’ swisher sweets and vibin’ senselastic [sic] to the mind flexed camaraderie incredible, hard stomped marched cranium beats of the too Black, but always too strong S1W.
Fast forward almost 20 years…
Evolution fortunately has blessed us primitive futuristic with the hip hop blood diligent commitment of NYOIL.
I honestly couldn’t hate on my seeds to see the slow downed spirit in me and wait love nostalgic 2008 just enough to consciously visualize NYOIL’s wormhole to our before, now common and beyond of Hip Hop’s obsessed passion. A passion that hopefully will revisit its social driving but conscious intelligence propagating past.
Who before him was gonna totally speak up with an unapologetic lovefor the game as it was..until it is… once again?
It’s all about a well needed collective determination to right the Middle Passage Slave Ship back home, then back here real and vessel a Utopian but Grandfather loved soul of what is and has been our crisis management on many levels.
NYOIL calmed me a bit throughout our conversation (read in Part II). I’ve been very frustrated with the climate of this nation inside and out of sports–as we all have.
Notice the profanity lately? Of course there are other words I could use, but I’m sure you get the picture when I write sick words ODB used to spit quick sans English etiquette.
I’m liberated from the chains that bind and really could care less what some people think.
What the damn are you waiting for? Get out of your chair!
Last mention of this because it’s seemed to float inconspicuously by…
Personally Jemele’s situation was backstabbing for it’s so ridiculous it’s almost unfathomable.
Dude…yeah you and that cat next to you scared to speak or speak cause he’s scared..everyone knows Black folk don’t give a fuck about Hitler.
Our history is different with him, thus we should be able to use his name in a different context without diminishing what happened in Auschwitz-Birkenau and other camps. That shit was horrifying and still brings anger and sadness to anyone who can stomach footage–especially Blacks (outside of Jews of course because they were there).
Check the belly because I was sick (but it passed) yet my mind burned steam over Jemele’s suspension.
Jemele’s suspension had me out of my mind because I’m sick. Do you know Burned steamed Belly should be checked? But it passed…
The correlation here, for those who don’t want to dig deep down enough to get it, is that there’s a mirror of fake ass journalism and bullshit lyrical madness seeping into the impressionable psyche of our youth is flashing through our society like never before.
And yet, some are cool with this soul enveloping seems like a black hole abyss, but the legend will not become fact.
Not here buddy.
So now all of this has brought us rooftop like we’re bringing ’88 back.
This is a long time coming and somehow I can Hip Hop smile now.
This needs to stop right now before their precious love is nothing but a poof cry sigh.
I don’t listen to that bull crap, no matter how much the beat knocks.
I’d much rather listen to this and pass it to my sons proudly:
This is a blast to the conscious ala Talib’s soul flow.
I let NYOIL slide on a Tupac question with a one word answer to open up a discussion on the topic (also Part II).
Enjoy the interview because there’s much more to be said and some people are not gonna like it.
Judge yourself accordingly.
Michael Tillery: First I’d like to say damn brotha, you are shakin’ some souls right now. With all the political stuff going on, I think people are becoming more consciously aware.
NYOIL: Well you know…because my soul’s been shaken, you dig it?
MT: Most definitely. Could you explain NYOIL the name?
NYOIL: Well, NY is representin’ New York and OIL is black gold. The thing we’re going to fight wars for–that black gold. For me, the black gold is the Black man, woman and child. I’m fightin’ for them and I’m dyin’ for them in my own way. I’m putting myself at risk; putting my potential career at risk to say the things other people are scared to say. The things that don’t sell records. This is what NYOIL stands for.
The entertainment industry to Blacks is what oil is to Arabs. I find that to be real deep in that they are both natural resources. These two things have been misused and turned into something economic without control. Blacks aren’t controlling the conduits to distribute the music they make. It causes a problem that we are experiencing now. The science of NYOIL is that and also the name is much longer but God has sorta stripped me down of a lot of things in life. Stripping down the name has made sense because it’s natural to what is going on in terms of focusing on a particular thing.
MT: If you could elaborate, what is your message? Why do you think it’s imperative to come so hard?
NYOIL: My message is important because we’re at a place and a space in history where people are so lost. They don’t know right from wrong anymore. Fools are kings now. Liars are people who we seek the truth from. I’m not trying to be deep about what I’m saying; I’m being very straight forward. We go to the news to seek the truth and those aren’t nothing but liars. Fools will have you think everybody is stupid. (Hypothetically they say:) “Aw they can’t handle this…it’s too deep.”
Are you kidding me? Everybody ain’t stupid. Not that kind of stupid. Everybody don’t wanna run around like a fool…carrying on like a fool. It’s not about not having a good time. People can smile. It’s not that. No one has to be serious all the time. AIn’t no man an island. No one portion of life is supposed to keep dealin’ why the others are diminished. It’s about 360 degrees of a person.
The fact of the matter is that you have people take one thing or the other too far. You have people carrying on so much that now we are being made to be fools. No one is taking us serious–at all.
Did you see the BET Awards last week?
MT: Nah, I couldn’t watch it man.
NYOIL: Exactly! Ya dig it? People can’t even stand to watch the BET…Black Entertainment Television Awards…a channel that’s supposed to be for us because no one wants to see a big jigga boo fest. A bunch of fools man. I mean not one of them was worthy of respect on there. The few on there that have a knowledge of self were lost in a sea of foolishness.
MT: Now are you specifically talking about Hip Hop or someone like Alicia Keys?
NYOIL: Period. We’ve been brought low man. We are low right now…low. We gotta rise up and take this thing serious. Taking this life serious. We need to seriously be involved in what’s going on.
We have Barack Obama…that’s fantastic…but how many of us are not prepared for the opportunity that Barack Obama presents to us as a larger body?
An opportunity to determine who we are. Self determination…self actualization to say: “Look this is where I’m at right now.” I’m going to find myself in something greater now. In a time like this we have a Black man running for president we also have a bunch of fools running around calling themselves nigga.
MT: Getting into that…this question has to be asked. What’s going on with you and Nas? I was listening to the Pete Rosenberg interview where you call Nas overrated.
I’m not trying to bait you here. I want your words honestly. I just want to clear it up for the people.
NYOIL: What is your specific question?
MT: What is your problem with Nassir Jones…the rapper?
NYOIL: I have a problem with what he’s doing. I don’t have a problem with the person. I don’t have a problem with anyone unless they create a problem for me.
When you take it upon yourself to make an album called Nigger (changed recently to Untitled), you take on certain issues and expectations that go along with that. It’s as simple as that. Ya’ll Should All Get Lynched is a heavy statement. You will never come up with the question that’s going to stump me in regards to this issue. It’s not because you aren’t capable of coming up with one. It’s because I’ve done my diligence. I respect what I say enough. I respect the people enough to at the very least have a sincere argument that I can articulate clearly on this matter. I can engage you in any type of matter in anything I’ve ever said–any song I’ve ever made. That’s because before I said it or before I made it, I gave the people the respect of doing my diligence through researching, reading and understanding what I was saying.
Ya’ll Should All Get Lynched manifested itself before the understanding. It was one of those things that comes to you…it happens…and you have to catch up to it. I caught up to it long before anybody ever heard about it. I was prepared to answer whatever questions that were going to come at me.
I don’t believe that brotha is prepared to do that. He put something out in the air–which furthered disinformation. Even if it’s proper information, he didn’t handle the information so it’s translated to the children in the proper fashion. He treated it like a hustler would.
I’m not Malcolm X. I’m not Farrakhan. I’m not Al Sharpton. This is what he said…almost verbatim. I didn’t say this, he said that. So his intentions obviously have nothing to do with uplifting anybody. He’s not culturally aware in this situation. Again, he said this, not me. I’m not paraphrasing for him. That’s my problem with a lot of people in this situation. People are layering their own rationale on what they think he means.
Don’t try to guess what he means. Ask him what he means. See what he said he meant. He said this is a marketing tool and he was doing this to sell records.
It’s an afterthought about whether or not you are going to change the way you look at the word nigger. Of all the things you have to worry about you are worrying about the way people look at the word nigger and supposed to be on a whole another plane with this shit?
He’s regarded as the best MC. He’s regarded as the best lyricist–which is bullshit. That’s the best he can come up with? A half ass song? If that was a paper it would have been graded a C–a C minus. He didn’t even stick on topic. Think about it. If you handed that in as a prose, and you aren’t really saying anything? This cat is regarded as the best lyricist?
Get the fuck out of here.
Dude is overrated homeboy. Way overrated. He’s on his way out anyway. When he came out with Hip Hop is Dead, all it was was gas. Something in your stomach turning into a fart. That’s all that shit was. It wasn’t even nothing real. It wasn’t even tangible. He just farted and stunk up the room. That’s all he did right there. This album here? Half ass, lazy lyrics, lazy delivery, weak beats–shit is bullshit. I’m not one of these cats out here saying “Did you hear his new joint?” Get the fuck out of here B. Dude is an overrated MC. Matter fact, he’s an overrated rapper.
He’s not an MC no more. He’s stopped a long time ago being an MC.
MT: Damn. Who is someone you would run with. You are definitely a leader, but if you could run with someone who would it be? In terms of your peers, who out there should kids be listening to to get the type of message you are trying to portray?
MT: How about Immortal Technique?
NYOIL: Yeah somewhat. Him an I aren’t similar. People equate the two of us because of the aggressive way we speak on the social, but he speaks more on politics. I’m not speaking about politics. I’m speaking of the social position of my people. I’m more on that level. Rebel Diaz and Immortal Technique are more on a political tip, but I respect both of them.
Really people should speak to whatever speaks to them. I’m not interested in telling people what to listen to or who to listen to–that’s not my interest. That’s something I really want to emphasize, but if I don’t agree, I don’t agree.
Since God gave me a voice, I’m gonna speak in volume against it, because I’m not wit’ it. My paradigm needs to be heard just like theirs needs to be heard.
I had a rhyme on day where I said: “These rhymes are real as a child livin’ in the ghetto, or a seven or a seven roomed mansion on a grassy meadow.” Meaning that either one is just as real.
I lived in New York my whole life and I moved down to Maryland. Living in New York I tried to get a car for six or seven months and couldn’t get one. Went down to Maryland and got one in two weeks. So I’m driving through, I look left and I look right seeing all these opulent houses. I’m blown away. I’m wondering who owns these homes? I’m figuring–living in New York that they had to be White. Dude coming out the door had on a pair of Tims and jeans just like me! It blew my mind. I didn’t know what was going on. Ever since I learned that this life is real too. This cat had a decent job doing what he had to do and was just as real as the cat in the hood struggling.
If you let these fools tell it, the only thing going on in the Black experience is these fools struggling. Not brothas being professional and seeing themselves on an international level. Brothas are seeing themselves as citizens of the world–outside of their block. They see themselves capable of anything, so they function and move with that total capability in mind. Then you realize that paradigm has to be heard. It can’t be heard on no soft shit or no weak talk. I’m not for that. I might be articulate, but I’m gonna keep it 100 so the people hear what I’m saying. I’ve seen the mountaintop…
MT: Yo, it’s crazy that you say that. I was wondering how I could fit this into the interview. There’s a track by a group, Supa Lowery Brothers out of Philly, called Hopeless. At the end of the track MLK is giving the Mountaintop speech. I don’t know if you’ve heard of them. They have a jazz/hip hop vibe that is peace. I love their music. Anyway, you know when MLK is finishing up the speech and the crowd erupts? It sends a feeling through my soul that’s reminiscent of the Million Man March. You feel it in your gut.
While I’m in this mindset I have to tell you that as a writer I’m trying to link up with as many like minded people as possible who are trying to put this message in the front as hard as we can. I’ve totally flipped my writing on my site whereas I don’t give a fuck–in the context of TSF obviously. It’s straight green apples…worm infested and everything. If people don’t like it then oh well.
Brothas like you and other brothas out there similar…lets be peace and let’s get it!
NYOIL: I’m gonna tell you something that’s real encouraging about what you are saying. I recently did an interview with Original Thought Magazine. Those brothas there represent the Nation of Gods and Earths. One of the brothas said almost the exact thing you just said– almost verbatim. If I didn’t know any better, I would think it was that brotha saying it again. That’s how heavy this is. That’s not to diminish what you’ve said. That’s to tell you and everyone else that the stars are aligning. This thing is happening because it has to. It’s natural. We’ve naturally come to a point and to the conclusion that we have to make a stand. Instead of being status quo…instead of saying I gotta do this or else this is gonna happen…nah we are saying we are bouncin’ and flippin’ our whole id right now.
I’m going there. These dudes that are on that negative, they are working together real well right now to propagate that negative message so it permeates in the minds of youth.
Meanwhile you have brothas out here who have knowledge of self, have positive thoughts, know what’s real and see what’s true in living–know what’s going on–we are sitting here fractured like we are scared or something.
Why the fuck should we be scared? Hold up man, we gotta say something here. We have to do something. You speak a beautiful sound along with us man. Watch what happens in the next two years B. It’s gonna be so incredible. We are going to revisit this conversation in a couple of joints. Do you hear what I’m saying? It’s going to be we…not just me. The only part that is me is that I thought of Ya’ll Should All Get Lynched and it shook the ground and made a lot of people say whoa, snap! They remembered who they was. None of this can happen without brothas waking up and saying yo I’m with it! I’m ready to go in. That’s what’s happening B. A change is gonna come man.
MT: It is definitely coming.
NYOIL: It’s here matter of fact.
I’m tired of people out there laughing and loving the hear and now. It’s time for us, like you said, to propagate a discussion and further a development of future ideals to get our youth out of this idiosyncratic normalcy.
There was also an interview with you where at the end you pointed to your children. That’s what a lot of people aren’t getting. There are a lot of people out here in the field who don’t have kids so they really can’t see the future of themselves.
Could you speak on why getting our youth at least on par is important and to be consciously aware of their 1968 Blackness–as it relates to society–and be able to keep it moving?
NYOIL: Our kids won’t be kids forever. If they don’t achieve a sense of dignity, honor and pride and also begin to learn what tomorrow is about today, they obviously will live their lives unprepared. The hear and now is gone. That’s why they say, “Here today, gone tomorrow.” So the dude with gold records today not trying to build for what’s gonna happen tomorrow obviously won’t be in a good position. That failure–the failure of our fathers, mothers, grandmothers and grandfathers to pass on the tradition and importance of those struggles of the Civil Rights Era–has created a gap so our youth cannot connect with those stories.
If the youth knew the stories of what these older cats went though in Selma, with water hoses sprayed on their faces, German shepherds getting sicked on them or people just disappearing because they fought for freedom; If told the right way? That shit is as gangsta as you can get. You feel those words. You get to have a defiance based on the right faith. Oh word? I’m goin’ in. They don’t hear those stories anymore. Who is teaching kids the past so they become the proper future? Not many.
People are whatever they choose to be. Whatever out there, people are going to vibe with it. When you start your struggle we are gonna be with you because you have knowledge of self. You know what the production of progression begins so you go with it. We have to keep them involved.
Kids don’t understand that they are in a position to be wiped out.
MT: Damn that’s truth right there. I hope you are listening people and understand the depth of this conversation.
Start your own please.
NY, I was speaking to someone about this interview and they asked me if there is room for others a little less lighthearted in Hip Hop. Your thoughts?
NYOIL: Yeaaaah. There has to be. What’s it gonna be? All day and night you are gonna listen to NYOIL, Public Enemy and XClan? Are you friggin kidding me? I don’t want to hear my own shit all the time. You dig it?
MT: Yeah of course.
NYOIL: That shit gets corny after a while. You don’t want to dance? You don’t want to party and bug out? You don’t want something to express your wicked energy sometimes? You need that balance. If I’m at a party B, I don’t want to hear Ya’ll Should All Get Lynched as much as I want to hear..say…Hi Hater. It’s all love son. I ain’t mad at that. We can’t be…that’s not real. This is not the only thing. It’s not cool to think and say that. There’s nothing wrong with taking it all in. The problem is that in this era of disconnect, all the bullshit walks. There are many styles out there that are done the wrong way and then they become a problem. Now you have an Ice-T and Soulja Boy carrying on with each other. Ice-T didn’t teach Soulja Boy in every capacity. Only thing Ice-T taught Soulja Boy was to get that money. Soulja Boy learned the hustle lesson. Now Soulja Boy doesn’t have respect for the lesson–how it was learned and off the backs it was learned from.
Now Soulja Boy comes out of his mouth incorrect as well and so it goes on and on.
Something Soulja Boy said that was real was that if Ice-T is mad, then do something about it. Open a Hip Hop school. Do something. Why you getting mad at me for doing something I know how to do? It’s strong livin’ on that. That’s like a man criticizing how his son was raised even though he wasn’t around to raise that son. That’s not cool.
That’s just 100.
Kids can’t be so arrogant to not take the knowledge some are giving them. If it’s put on their plate, then eat it. Don’t just eat the candy. You have to eat them greens, that meat, that starch. If you just eat the sweets you won’t develop right.
It’s all about balance man.
MT: Does that disconnect you allude to transcend Hip Hop and seeps into our culture? Also is this message strictly for Blacks?
NYOIL: No. The message isn’t strictly for Blacks. White people are turning around, looking at their children and don’t recognizing them. Imagine speaking…now I have three children…and they look like me, act like me, dress like me. They go to the same high school I went to–except for my youngest. He just started and is going to a different high school than me. We live in the same apartment that I grew up in.
There’s no difference, but I don’t recognize my children sometimes. I don’t relate or connect with some of the things they are apart of. You dig? I’m shittin’ in their movements sometimes and I had to catch myself. Imagine being White and having sons and daughters into this Black culture like this? To an extent they have no reference point to what they are seeing. They have to go online to the slang dictionary and try to figure out what they child is saying. They can’t figure out why their children are wearing their pants off their ass, speaking the way they do or emulating a whole another race of people.
So the message is just not for Blacks. It’s universal in that we have to resolve this disconnect. It’s not about removing them from where they are, it’s about connecting them to where they are. Empowering them with information that will help them be a full body–help us be a full body.
MT: YZ is your manager who also happens to manage Stick Man of Dead Prez.
How did that come about and who are the soldiers of the past who have inspired you from the days of Blue Cheese and One to Grow On to now where you are verbally breaking down calloused capitulating knees?
One to Grow On
NYOIL: When I hooked up with YZ, it was a real six degrees of separation. With many of them cats who I knew in them days, I ain’t keep up with them. I didn’t know what was going on in their lives. What ended up happening is a good friend of mine, Howard Cho introduced me to DJ Nu Mark from Jurassic 5. DJ Nu Mark heard my music through Howard and wanted to do a song with me. I ended up doing a song with DJ Nu Mark that’s probably going to come out next year. After that happened, DJ Nu Mark was doing some business with YZ–a tour they were thinking about doing–and YZ and I started catching up. So we kicked it a little and he became familiar with my music. He then told me he wanted to work with me. This brotha has a background in the game, so he has the experience tp understand where I’m at as an individual. So we gave it a shot and it’s been a real positive thing.
As far as artist who have brought me to this point…I try to answer that question when I’m asked, but it’s not a good question. It’s a bad question I think is asked often. I’m not going to take away from the question, but I can have an interview just on that question.
That’s the conversation we have in a group of dudes just listening to music and playing different songs. It’s just too many things…
MT: Like it could be one track from one cat that not many have heard of?
NYOIL: Exactly! Like Supa Lova C and Cassanova Rudd’s Do the James Brown. That particular song influenced me because of the cadence. Rakim, I didn’t really listen too much to Rakim’s music–believe it or not. Like I know people who know all his songs. I know mostly the hits. Them hits were very important and helped shape me.
Stick ‘Em from the Fat Boys
Gucci Man–not the one out now, but the old school Gucci Man (couldn’t find a link). Slick Rick. The Great Adventures of Slick Rick. That entire album and really nothing else. Just La Di Da Di, The Show and the album. That body of work. After that I wasn’t listening to him anymore. Run DMC, Raising Hell. That whole album was ridiculous! Then…Public Enemy…Fear of a Black Planet. That piece is one of the architects. X Clan.
That whole album was another one.
The Jungle Brothers. The Forces of Nature (Straight Out the Jungle).
Three Feet High and Rising (Me, Myself and I).
I listened to the climate that Tribe Called Quest influenced but their music didn’t. I didn’t like the jazzy feel. I didn’t connect with them like that. You dig it? The climate they created was important to me.
The Message. That song is so important.
The Rappin Duke. Da Hah da hah…
He was catching ill cadences. Dude was nice! He just had this comedy joint. It was hot.
Kool Moe Dee. Go See the Doctor. We could probably go all night. These moments…you can hear them in my rhymes. I’m not a fan of anyone else. I’m not really like that. These dudes are my peers. I’m not 15 and rhyming all starstruck. I’m a grown ass man. I’ve been in the game too long to look up to any of them. I respect what they’ve done.
Go get NYOIL’s CD people.