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		<title>By: bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>boy all of you guys are dum as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: "I Got News For You John McCain. We All Put Our Country First!" &#124; The Starting Five</title>
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		<dc:creator>"I Got News For You John McCain. We All Put Our Country First!" &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the Black diaspora or he won&#8217;t get elected. He couldn&#8217;t have Sankofa, Temple3, TBR , AXG or I as a running mate because&#8211;at least me at least&#8211; I would Radio Raheem their [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see the discussion we&#039;re having is probably the discussion the Phillies are having (at least i hope so.) 

I don&#039;t know what else to say except for this: .324 OBP. geezus. that makes my face hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see the discussion we&#8217;re having is probably the discussion the Phillies are having (at least i hope so.) </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what else to say except for this: .324 OBP. geezus. that makes my face hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: The Most Known Unknown</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Most Known Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan Howard will not get the respect he deserves until he leaves Philadelphia and goes some where else. It happens here all the time. Now they lost their last 2 games. Saturday was due to poor base running and pitching. Sunday started out as the Ryan Howard show as Rollins got on base in the 1st and Howard drove him in...by the 3rd inning I believe he had 2 RBI&#039;s. 

But pitching again, as Cole couldn&#039;t hold it down. 

Howard takes a lot of blame and he shouldn&#039;t. Have any of you been to a home game? Its in South Philadelphia mind you, where its a little difficult for us to &quot;blend&quot; in. Aside from the snide comments and stares, its just not a comfortable place for a black man to watch a baseball game. 

The last game I attended was when I saw Ken Griffey Jr play, so I wore my NY Giants Willie Mays jersey and cap, and I caught a lot of wreck for a team and player that do not play anymore. Any where else I would have been left alone or respected, but not in my own town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan Howard will not get the respect he deserves until he leaves Philadelphia and goes some where else. It happens here all the time. Now they lost their last 2 games. Saturday was due to poor base running and pitching. Sunday started out as the Ryan Howard show as Rollins got on base in the 1st and Howard drove him in&#8230;by the 3rd inning I believe he had 2 RBI&#8217;s. </p>
<p>But pitching again, as Cole couldn&#8217;t hold it down. </p>
<p>Howard takes a lot of blame and he shouldn&#8217;t. Have any of you been to a home game? Its in South Philadelphia mind you, where its a little difficult for us to &#8220;blend&#8221; in. Aside from the snide comments and stares, its just not a comfortable place for a black man to watch a baseball game. </p>
<p>The last game I attended was when I saw Ken Griffey Jr play, so I wore my NY Giants Willie Mays jersey and cap, and I caught a lot of wreck for a team and player that do not play anymore. Any where else I would have been left alone or respected, but not in my own town.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude so many of his home runs are opposite field colossal.

Of course you can say it wasn&#039;t all racial. You could say that about anything.

ANY racism is bullshit. Whites don&#039;t have to deal with that on a mass scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude so many of his home runs are opposite field colossal.</p>
<p>Of course you can say it wasn&#8217;t all racial. You could say that about anything.</p>
<p>ANY racism is bullshit. Whites don&#8217;t have to deal with that on a mass scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t say it wasn&#039;t racially motivated. i said it wasn&#039;t ALL racial. 
a .324 OBP% and a .508 SLG% is not major league-level quality for a first baseman. 

and as far as the home run thing.... can we find out how many of those home runs were hit on the road as opposed to Citizens Bank Park?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t say it wasn&#8217;t racially motivated. i said it wasn&#8217;t ALL racial.<br />
a .324 OBP% and a .508 SLG% is not major league-level quality for a first baseman. </p>
<p>and as far as the home run thing&#8230;. can we find out how many of those home runs were hit on the road as opposed to Citizens Bank Park?</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have read all the comments. 

623 strikeouts is amazing. I didn&#039;t realize it was that high, but yet and still, this is a town that turns on its stars prematurely just for kicks.

He hit 58 homers in this era. I can only think of two players since Maris who&#039;ve hit as many and haven&#039;t been accused of juicing (Griffey).

It kills me when Whites say situations are not racially motivated. 

For every Roger Clemens I can name you 25 Blacks who have been scrutinized way more over the course of time.

We&#039;re talking about Philly here not some town where race relations have been chilllllll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have read all the comments. </p>
<p>623 strikeouts is amazing. I didn&#8217;t realize it was that high, but yet and still, this is a town that turns on its stars prematurely just for kicks.</p>
<p>He hit 58 homers in this era. I can only think of two players since Maris who&#8217;ve hit as many and haven&#8217;t been accused of juicing (Griffey).</p>
<p>It kills me when Whites say situations are not racially motivated. </p>
<p>For every Roger Clemens I can name you 25 Blacks who have been scrutinized way more over the course of time.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking about Philly here not some town where race relations have been chilllllll.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okori let me say something to you. 

&quot;Although, Mizz, I am not hoping you are implying that the Phillies should just give him whatever he wants because he’s a black superstar.&quot;

That&#039;s the most ludicrous statement you&#039;ve ever said here.

Why the hell would I say that?

Do you think I run this blog just to give Blacks who are unworthy undeserved shine?

Ryan Howard is one of the main reasons why this team is even in the hunt.

Why wasn&#039;t Howard invited to the home run derby?

If Howard were white he would be absolutely revered even if his average was .199.

Talk his strikeouts all you want but isn&#039;t he leading the MAJORS in homers and 2nd in rbi&#039;s?

Does that count for something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okori let me say something to you. </p>
<p>&#8220;Although, Mizz, I am not hoping you are implying that the Phillies should just give him whatever he wants because he’s a black superstar.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the most ludicrous statement you&#8217;ve ever said here.</p>
<p>Why the hell would I say that?</p>
<p>Do you think I run this blog just to give Blacks who are unworthy undeserved shine?</p>
<p>Ryan Howard is one of the main reasons why this team is even in the hunt.</p>
<p>Why wasn&#8217;t Howard invited to the home run derby?</p>
<p>If Howard were white he would be absolutely revered even if his average was .199.</p>
<p>Talk his strikeouts all you want but isn&#8217;t he leading the MAJORS in homers and 2nd in rbi&#8217;s?</p>
<p>Does that count for something?</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah the numbers that show he has put in work...like being rookie of the year...then mvp and hitting the most homers EVER since he came into the league.

You mean those numbers...

Yeah they ran Dick Allen out of town. I will never be a Phillies fan because of some of the stories my father told me of how they treated Allen.

Okori you know me well enough to know your above statement is not what the hell I am trying to say. 

Don&#039;t do that.

So you name two cats (the jury is still out on how long Jimmy Rollins will last here) to say what?

There is no way in hell a big ass town like Philly should have just the Black players named. 

I remember when they signed Danny Tartabull and the town made it a big thing. Dude was injured when they signed him. 

They haven&#039;t brought in a Black superstar since.

We&#039;re not talking about the Twins or the Devil Rays.
This franchise goes waaaaay back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the numbers that show he has put in work&#8230;like being rookie of the year&#8230;then mvp and hitting the most homers EVER since he came into the league.</p>
<p>You mean those numbers&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah they ran Dick Allen out of town. I will never be a Phillies fan because of some of the stories my father told me of how they treated Allen.</p>
<p>Okori you know me well enough to know your above statement is not what the hell I am trying to say. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>So you name two cats (the jury is still out on how long Jimmy Rollins will last here) to say what?</p>
<p>There is no way in hell a big ass town like Philly should have just the Black players named. </p>
<p>I remember when they signed Danny Tartabull and the town made it a big thing. Dude was injured when they signed him. </p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t brought in a Black superstar since.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not talking about the Twins or the Devil Rays.<br />
This franchise goes waaaaay back.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and Jimmy Rollins. Although, Mizz, I am not hoping you are implying that the Phillies should just give him whatever he wants because he&#039;s a black superstar. because his numbers, which are color-blind, seem to indicate that a big-money contract would be a bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Jimmy Rollins. Although, Mizz, I am not hoping you are implying that the Phillies should just give him whatever he wants because he&#8217;s a black superstar. because his numbers, which are color-blind, seem to indicate that a big-money contract would be a bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dick Allen.</description>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name me one BLACK superstar the Phillies have ever had.</description>
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		<title>By: BeinMiceElf</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeinMiceElf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And nevermind that Howard is on pace for something like 215 strikeouts this season.... which would break his own single season record of 199 from last season..... Strikeouts are the least productive kind of at bat because they give the batter&#039;s team no chance at all to accomplish anything from the plate appearance, no chance at a defensive error, essentially, which would at least result in a baserunner despite the deduction from the batter&#039;s personal average.

Howard is one of only four players in MLB history to strike out at least 180 times in one season, twice (2007 and 2006; Bobby Bonds, Adam Dunn, and Jim Thome are the others). Reginald Martinez Jackson is the all-time career strikeout leader with 2,597. Reggie averaged 0.92 strikeouts per game over his long career. In his relatively brief career, Howard averages 1.29 strikeouts per game!!! He is one of the least efficient power hitters of all-time. Howard&#039;s career strikeout:home run ratio is a whopping 3.94:1. A-Rod&#039;s is 2.94:1, and Pujols checks in at 1.61:1. For efficiency&#039;s sake, Howard is not all that valuable.

Here&#039;s further proof: Someone on here mentioned Howard&#039;s home run total at this point in his career and how no one else, except maybe Babe Ruth, was even close. Well, here are some striking numbers: Let&#039;s take Howard&#039;s career at 508 games so far, and let&#039;s stack it up with some other prolific power hitters after their 508th games. We&#039;ll start with Ruth, but we have to understand that he played many of his first few seasons in Boston as a pitcher/outfielder, but that&#039;s not Ryan Howard&#039;s fault, so we&#039;ll measure Ruth from the beginning just to be consistent. In his first 508 games, Ruth swatted 103 home runs and struck out 204 times. That&#039;s 103/204, HR/SO. How about Willie Mays? 126/216. Hank Aaron: 88/193. Barry Bonds: 76/322. Ken Griffey Jr.: 72/279. Mark McGwire: 125/385. Mickey Mantle: 84/382. That&#039;s an average, for those seven pre-eminent sluggers of 96.3 HRs and 270 SOs in their first 508 games. How does Ryan Howard stack up? In 508 games, Ryan has hit 158 home runs (terrific!), but he has struck out 623 times........... 623!!!!!!

As a Yankee fan, I used to think it would be good for the Yankees to trade for Howard, maybe package an aging Mussina (before this season&#039;s resurgance) and a young arm and a young bat for Howard, believing Yankee Stadium&#039;s short right field porch was tailor-made for Howard, but I think his penchant for strikeouts doesn&#039;t make him an effective 5-hole shield for A-Rod. Teams would walk A-Rod and take their chances trying to strike out Howard, and they&#039;d do it a lot of the time. (And you can&#039;t bat Howard third; Abreu is too good a 3-hole hitter, as I think Cano will be one day... maybe.)

I&#039;m sure when the Phillies sit down to negotiate with Howard, they&#039;re going to throw those strikeout numbers in the face of Howard&#039;s agent, and that&#039;s not racially motivated; that&#039;s statistically sound. Howard, when he&#039;s hot, might be a dangerous force of baseball nature, and a game-winning slugger; but when he&#039;s not hot, he costs his team a lot in terms of run potential. Winning an MVP was great, but look at this list of past MVP winners -- Zoilo Versalles, Boog Powell, Jeff Burroughs, Ken Caminiti, Jason Giambi, Mo Vaughn -- and it&#039;s easy to see that a single MVP award doesn&#039;t make a guy an all-time great player.

Anyway, that&#039;s my two cents.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And nevermind that Howard is on pace for something like 215 strikeouts this season&#8230;. which would break his own single season record of 199 from last season&#8230;.. Strikeouts are the least productive kind of at bat because they give the batter&#8217;s team no chance at all to accomplish anything from the plate appearance, no chance at a defensive error, essentially, which would at least result in a baserunner despite the deduction from the batter&#8217;s personal average.</p>
<p>Howard is one of only four players in MLB history to strike out at least 180 times in one season, twice (2007 and 2006; Bobby Bonds, Adam Dunn, and Jim Thome are the others). Reginald Martinez Jackson is the all-time career strikeout leader with 2,597. Reggie averaged 0.92 strikeouts per game over his long career. In his relatively brief career, Howard averages 1.29 strikeouts per game!!! He is one of the least efficient power hitters of all-time. Howard&#8217;s career strikeout:home run ratio is a whopping 3.94:1. A-Rod&#8217;s is 2.94:1, and Pujols checks in at 1.61:1. For efficiency&#8217;s sake, Howard is not all that valuable.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s further proof: Someone on here mentioned Howard&#8217;s home run total at this point in his career and how no one else, except maybe Babe Ruth, was even close. Well, here are some striking numbers: Let&#8217;s take Howard&#8217;s career at 508 games so far, and let&#8217;s stack it up with some other prolific power hitters after their 508th games. We&#8217;ll start with Ruth, but we have to understand that he played many of his first few seasons in Boston as a pitcher/outfielder, but that&#8217;s not Ryan Howard&#8217;s fault, so we&#8217;ll measure Ruth from the beginning just to be consistent. In his first 508 games, Ruth swatted 103 home runs and struck out 204 times. That&#8217;s 103/204, HR/SO. How about Willie Mays? 126/216. Hank Aaron: 88/193. Barry Bonds: 76/322. Ken Griffey Jr.: 72/279. Mark McGwire: 125/385. Mickey Mantle: 84/382. That&#8217;s an average, for those seven pre-eminent sluggers of 96.3 HRs and 270 SOs in their first 508 games. How does Ryan Howard stack up? In 508 games, Ryan has hit 158 home runs (terrific!), but he has struck out 623 times&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. 623!!!!!!</p>
<p>As a Yankee fan, I used to think it would be good for the Yankees to trade for Howard, maybe package an aging Mussina (before this season&#8217;s resurgance) and a young arm and a young bat for Howard, believing Yankee Stadium&#8217;s short right field porch was tailor-made for Howard, but I think his penchant for strikeouts doesn&#8217;t make him an effective 5-hole shield for A-Rod. Teams would walk A-Rod and take their chances trying to strike out Howard, and they&#8217;d do it a lot of the time. (And you can&#8217;t bat Howard third; Abreu is too good a 3-hole hitter, as I think Cano will be one day&#8230; maybe.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure when the Phillies sit down to negotiate with Howard, they&#8217;re going to throw those strikeout numbers in the face of Howard&#8217;s agent, and that&#8217;s not racially motivated; that&#8217;s statistically sound. Howard, when he&#8217;s hot, might be a dangerous force of baseball nature, and a game-winning slugger; but when he&#8217;s not hot, he costs his team a lot in terms of run potential. Winning an MVP was great, but look at this list of past MVP winners &#8212; Zoilo Versalles, Boog Powell, Jeff Burroughs, Ken Caminiti, Jason Giambi, Mo Vaughn &#8212; and it&#8217;s easy to see that a single MVP award doesn&#8217;t make a guy an all-time great player.</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s my two cents&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ray6</title>
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		<dc:creator>ray6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why must the race card be pulled every time?  I think it has nothing to do with race at all.  I think it has to do with him demanding 20 million a year (mostly his father).  When you ask for that type of money, you&#039;re expected to perform at a higher level.  Players who make that much money have the pressure to perform at that level and will get criticized to a much higher degree when they don&#039;t perform.  Making this a race issue is ridiculous and unfounded; if Chase Utley was asking for 20 million a year and performing the same (errors, strikeouts) and having an almost careless attitude about his struggles, as howard has, he would be receiving the same treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why must the race card be pulled every time?  I think it has nothing to do with race at all.  I think it has to do with him demanding 20 million a year (mostly his father).  When you ask for that type of money, you&#8217;re expected to perform at a higher level.  Players who make that much money have the pressure to perform at that level and will get criticized to a much higher degree when they don&#8217;t perform.  Making this a race issue is ridiculous and unfounded; if Chase Utley was asking for 20 million a year and performing the same (errors, strikeouts) and having an almost careless attitude about his struggles, as howard has, he would be receiving the same treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve it&#039;s not ridiculous hatred. read the numbers posted earlier. a .324 OBP? 508 SLG%? geez. that&#039;s just not good. plus his plate discipline is horrible, he&#039;s a bad fielder, and he&#039;s a below-average baserunner. it&#039;s not like he&#039;s the reincarnation of Willie McCovey or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve it&#8217;s not ridiculous hatred. read the numbers posted earlier. a .324 OBP? 508 SLG%? geez. that&#8217;s just not good. plus his plate discipline is horrible, he&#8217;s a bad fielder, and he&#8217;s a below-average baserunner. it&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s the reincarnation of Willie McCovey or anything.</p>
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