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		<title>By: "I Got News For You John McCain. We All Put Our Country First!" &#124; The Starting Five</title>
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		<dc:creator>"I Got News For You John McCain. We All Put Our Country First!" &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the Black diaspora or he won&#8217;t get elected. He couldn&#8217;t have Sankofa, Temple3, TBR , AXG or I as a running mate because&#8211;at least me at least&#8211; I would Radio Raheem their [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see the discussion we're having is probably the discussion the Phillies are having (at least i hope so.) 

I don't know what else to say except for this: .324 OBP. geezus. that makes my face hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see the discussion we&#8217;re having is probably the discussion the Phillies are having (at least i hope so.) </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what else to say except for this: .324 OBP. geezus. that makes my face hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: The Most Known Unknown</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-14153</link>
		<dc:creator>The Most Known Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan Howard will not get the respect he deserves until he leaves Philadelphia and goes some where else. It happens here all the time. Now they lost their last 2 games. Saturday was due to poor base running and pitching. Sunday started out as the Ryan Howard show as Rollins got on base in the 1st and Howard drove him in...by the 3rd inning I believe he had 2 RBI's. 

But pitching again, as Cole couldn't hold it down. 

Howard takes a lot of blame and he shouldn't. Have any of you been to a home game? Its in South Philadelphia mind you, where its a little difficult for us to "blend" in. Aside from the snide comments and stares, its just not a comfortable place for a black man to watch a baseball game. 

The last game I attended was when I saw Ken Griffey Jr play, so I wore my NY Giants Willie Mays jersey and cap, and I caught a lot of wreck for a team and player that do not play anymore. Any where else I would have been left alone or respected, but not in my own town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan Howard will not get the respect he deserves until he leaves Philadelphia and goes some where else. It happens here all the time. Now they lost their last 2 games. Saturday was due to poor base running and pitching. Sunday started out as the Ryan Howard show as Rollins got on base in the 1st and Howard drove him in&#8230;by the 3rd inning I believe he had 2 RBI&#8217;s. </p>
<p>But pitching again, as Cole couldn&#8217;t hold it down. </p>
<p>Howard takes a lot of blame and he shouldn&#8217;t. Have any of you been to a home game? Its in South Philadelphia mind you, where its a little difficult for us to &#8220;blend&#8221; in. Aside from the snide comments and stares, its just not a comfortable place for a black man to watch a baseball game. </p>
<p>The last game I attended was when I saw Ken Griffey Jr play, so I wore my NY Giants Willie Mays jersey and cap, and I caught a lot of wreck for a team and player that do not play anymore. Any where else I would have been left alone or respected, but not in my own town.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-14152</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude so many of his home runs are opposite field colossal.

Of course you can say it wasn't all racial. You could say that about anything.

ANY racism is bullshit. Whites don't have to deal with that on a mass scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude so many of his home runs are opposite field colossal.</p>
<p>Of course you can say it wasn&#8217;t all racial. You could say that about anything.</p>
<p>ANY racism is bullshit. Whites don&#8217;t have to deal with that on a mass scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-14151</link>
		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn't say it wasn't racially motivated. i said it wasn't ALL racial. 
a .324 OBP% and a .508 SLG% is not major league-level quality for a first baseman. 

and as far as the home run thing.... can we find out how many of those home runs were hit on the road as opposed to Citizens Bank Park?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t say it wasn&#8217;t racially motivated. i said it wasn&#8217;t ALL racial.<br />
a .324 OBP% and a .508 SLG% is not major league-level quality for a first baseman. </p>
<p>and as far as the home run thing&#8230;. can we find out how many of those home runs were hit on the road as opposed to Citizens Bank Park?</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-14148</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have read all the comments. 

623 strikeouts is amazing. I didn't realize it was that high, but yet and still, this is a town that turns on its stars prematurely just for kicks.

He hit 58 homers in this era. I can only think of two players since Maris who've hit as many and haven't been accused of juicing (Griffey).

It kills me when Whites say situations are not racially motivated. 

For every Roger Clemens I can name you 25 Blacks who have been scrutinized way more over the course of time.

We're talking about Philly here not some town where race relations have been chilllllll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have read all the comments. </p>
<p>623 strikeouts is amazing. I didn&#8217;t realize it was that high, but yet and still, this is a town that turns on its stars prematurely just for kicks.</p>
<p>He hit 58 homers in this era. I can only think of two players since Maris who&#8217;ve hit as many and haven&#8217;t been accused of juicing (Griffey).</p>
<p>It kills me when Whites say situations are not racially motivated. </p>
<p>For every Roger Clemens I can name you 25 Blacks who have been scrutinized way more over the course of time.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking about Philly here not some town where race relations have been chilllllll.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-14147</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okori let me say something to you. 

"Although, Mizz, I am not hoping you are implying that the Phillies should just give him whatever he wants because he’s a black superstar."

That's the most ludicrous statement you've ever said here.

Why the hell would I say that?

Do you think I run this blog just to give Blacks who are unworthy undeserved shine?

Ryan Howard is one of the main reasons why this team is even in the hunt.

Why wasn't Howard invited to the home run derby?

If Howard were white he would be absolutely revered even if his average was .199.

Talk his strikeouts all you want but isn't he leading the MAJORS in homers and 2nd in rbi's?

Does that count for something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okori let me say something to you. </p>
<p>&#8220;Although, Mizz, I am not hoping you are implying that the Phillies should just give him whatever he wants because he’s a black superstar.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the most ludicrous statement you&#8217;ve ever said here.</p>
<p>Why the hell would I say that?</p>
<p>Do you think I run this blog just to give Blacks who are unworthy undeserved shine?</p>
<p>Ryan Howard is one of the main reasons why this team is even in the hunt.</p>
<p>Why wasn&#8217;t Howard invited to the home run derby?</p>
<p>If Howard were white he would be absolutely revered even if his average was .199.</p>
<p>Talk his strikeouts all you want but isn&#8217;t he leading the MAJORS in homers and 2nd in rbi&#8217;s?</p>
<p>Does that count for something?</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-14146</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah the numbers that show he has put in work...like being rookie of the year...then mvp and hitting the most homers EVER since he came into the league.

You mean those numbers...

Yeah they ran Dick Allen out of town. I will never be a Phillies fan because of some of the stories my father told me of how they treated Allen.

Okori you know me well enough to know your above statement is not what the hell I am trying to say. 

Don't do that.

So you name two cats (the jury is still out on how long Jimmy Rollins will last here) to say what?

There is no way in hell a big ass town like Philly should have just the Black players named. 

I remember when they signed Danny Tartabull and the town made it a big thing. Dude was injured when they signed him. 

They haven't brought in a Black superstar since.

We're not talking about the Twins or the Devil Rays.
This franchise goes waaaaay back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the numbers that show he has put in work&#8230;like being rookie of the year&#8230;then mvp and hitting the most homers EVER since he came into the league.</p>
<p>You mean those numbers&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah they ran Dick Allen out of town. I will never be a Phillies fan because of some of the stories my father told me of how they treated Allen.</p>
<p>Okori you know me well enough to know your above statement is not what the hell I am trying to say. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>So you name two cats (the jury is still out on how long Jimmy Rollins will last here) to say what?</p>
<p>There is no way in hell a big ass town like Philly should have just the Black players named. </p>
<p>I remember when they signed Danny Tartabull and the town made it a big thing. Dude was injured when they signed him. </p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t brought in a Black superstar since.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not talking about the Twins or the Devil Rays.<br />
This franchise goes waaaaay back.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and Jimmy Rollins. Although, Mizz, I am not hoping you are implying that the Phillies should just give him whatever he wants because he's a black superstar. because his numbers, which are color-blind, seem to indicate that a big-money contract would be a bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Jimmy Rollins. Although, Mizz, I am not hoping you are implying that the Phillies should just give him whatever he wants because he&#8217;s a black superstar. because his numbers, which are color-blind, seem to indicate that a big-money contract would be a bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-14128</link>
		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dick Allen.</description>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-14126</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name me one BLACK superstar the Phillies have ever had.</description>
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		<title>By: BeinMiceElf</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeinMiceElf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And nevermind that Howard is on pace for something like 215 strikeouts this season.... which would break his own single season record of 199 from last season..... Strikeouts are the least productive kind of at bat because they give the batter's team no chance at all to accomplish anything from the plate appearance, no chance at a defensive error, essentially, which would at least result in a baserunner despite the deduction from the batter's personal average.

Howard is one of only four players in MLB history to strike out at least 180 times in one season, twice (2007 and 2006; Bobby Bonds, Adam Dunn, and Jim Thome are the others). Reginald Martinez Jackson is the all-time career strikeout leader with 2,597. Reggie averaged 0.92 strikeouts per game over his long career. In his relatively brief career, Howard averages 1.29 strikeouts per game!!! He is one of the least efficient power hitters of all-time. Howard's career strikeout:home run ratio is a whopping 3.94:1. A-Rod's is 2.94:1, and Pujols checks in at 1.61:1. For efficiency's sake, Howard is not all that valuable.

Here's further proof: Someone on here mentioned Howard's home run total at this point in his career and how no one else, except maybe Babe Ruth, was even close. Well, here are some striking numbers: Let's take Howard's career at 508 games so far, and let's stack it up with some other prolific power hitters after their 508th games. We'll start with Ruth, but we have to understand that he played many of his first few seasons in Boston as a pitcher/outfielder, but that's not Ryan Howard's fault, so we'll measure Ruth from the beginning just to be consistent. In his first 508 games, Ruth swatted 103 home runs and struck out 204 times. That's 103/204, HR/SO. How about Willie Mays? 126/216. Hank Aaron: 88/193. Barry Bonds: 76/322. Ken Griffey Jr.: 72/279. Mark McGwire: 125/385. Mickey Mantle: 84/382. That's an average, for those seven pre-eminent sluggers of 96.3 HRs and 270 SOs in their first 508 games. How does Ryan Howard stack up? In 508 games, Ryan has hit 158 home runs (terrific!), but he has struck out 623 times........... 623!!!!!!

As a Yankee fan, I used to think it would be good for the Yankees to trade for Howard, maybe package an aging Mussina (before this season's resurgance) and a young arm and a young bat for Howard, believing Yankee Stadium's short right field porch was tailor-made for Howard, but I think his penchant for strikeouts doesn't make him an effective 5-hole shield for A-Rod. Teams would walk A-Rod and take their chances trying to strike out Howard, and they'd do it a lot of the time. (And you can't bat Howard third; Abreu is too good a 3-hole hitter, as I think Cano will be one day... maybe.)

I'm sure when the Phillies sit down to negotiate with Howard, they're going to throw those strikeout numbers in the face of Howard's agent, and that's not racially motivated; that's statistically sound. Howard, when he's hot, might be a dangerous force of baseball nature, and a game-winning slugger; but when he's not hot, he costs his team a lot in terms of run potential. Winning an MVP was great, but look at this list of past MVP winners -- Zoilo Versalles, Boog Powell, Jeff Burroughs, Ken Caminiti, Jason Giambi, Mo Vaughn -- and it's easy to see that a single MVP award doesn't make a guy an all-time great player.

Anyway, that's my two cents.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And nevermind that Howard is on pace for something like 215 strikeouts this season&#8230;. which would break his own single season record of 199 from last season&#8230;.. Strikeouts are the least productive kind of at bat because they give the batter&#8217;s team no chance at all to accomplish anything from the plate appearance, no chance at a defensive error, essentially, which would at least result in a baserunner despite the deduction from the batter&#8217;s personal average.</p>
<p>Howard is one of only four players in MLB history to strike out at least 180 times in one season, twice (2007 and 2006; Bobby Bonds, Adam Dunn, and Jim Thome are the others). Reginald Martinez Jackson is the all-time career strikeout leader with 2,597. Reggie averaged 0.92 strikeouts per game over his long career. In his relatively brief career, Howard averages 1.29 strikeouts per game!!! He is one of the least efficient power hitters of all-time. Howard&#8217;s career strikeout:home run ratio is a whopping 3.94:1. A-Rod&#8217;s is 2.94:1, and Pujols checks in at 1.61:1. For efficiency&#8217;s sake, Howard is not all that valuable.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s further proof: Someone on here mentioned Howard&#8217;s home run total at this point in his career and how no one else, except maybe Babe Ruth, was even close. Well, here are some striking numbers: Let&#8217;s take Howard&#8217;s career at 508 games so far, and let&#8217;s stack it up with some other prolific power hitters after their 508th games. We&#8217;ll start with Ruth, but we have to understand that he played many of his first few seasons in Boston as a pitcher/outfielder, but that&#8217;s not Ryan Howard&#8217;s fault, so we&#8217;ll measure Ruth from the beginning just to be consistent. In his first 508 games, Ruth swatted 103 home runs and struck out 204 times. That&#8217;s 103/204, HR/SO. How about Willie Mays? 126/216. Hank Aaron: 88/193. Barry Bonds: 76/322. Ken Griffey Jr.: 72/279. Mark McGwire: 125/385. Mickey Mantle: 84/382. That&#8217;s an average, for those seven pre-eminent sluggers of 96.3 HRs and 270 SOs in their first 508 games. How does Ryan Howard stack up? In 508 games, Ryan has hit 158 home runs (terrific!), but he has struck out 623 times&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. 623!!!!!!</p>
<p>As a Yankee fan, I used to think it would be good for the Yankees to trade for Howard, maybe package an aging Mussina (before this season&#8217;s resurgance) and a young arm and a young bat for Howard, believing Yankee Stadium&#8217;s short right field porch was tailor-made for Howard, but I think his penchant for strikeouts doesn&#8217;t make him an effective 5-hole shield for A-Rod. Teams would walk A-Rod and take their chances trying to strike out Howard, and they&#8217;d do it a lot of the time. (And you can&#8217;t bat Howard third; Abreu is too good a 3-hole hitter, as I think Cano will be one day&#8230; maybe.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure when the Phillies sit down to negotiate with Howard, they&#8217;re going to throw those strikeout numbers in the face of Howard&#8217;s agent, and that&#8217;s not racially motivated; that&#8217;s statistically sound. Howard, when he&#8217;s hot, might be a dangerous force of baseball nature, and a game-winning slugger; but when he&#8217;s not hot, he costs his team a lot in terms of run potential. Winning an MVP was great, but look at this list of past MVP winners &#8212; Zoilo Versalles, Boog Powell, Jeff Burroughs, Ken Caminiti, Jason Giambi, Mo Vaughn &#8212; and it&#8217;s easy to see that a single MVP award doesn&#8217;t make a guy an all-time great player.</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s my two cents&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ray6</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why must the race card be pulled every time?  I think it has nothing to do with race at all.  I think it has to do with him demanding 20 million a year (mostly his father).  When you ask for that type of money, you're expected to perform at a higher level.  Players who make that much money have the pressure to perform at that level and will get criticized to a much higher degree when they don't perform.  Making this a race issue is ridiculous and unfounded; if Chase Utley was asking for 20 million a year and performing the same (errors, strikeouts) and having an almost careless attitude about his struggles, as howard has, he would be receiving the same treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why must the race card be pulled every time?  I think it has nothing to do with race at all.  I think it has to do with him demanding 20 million a year (mostly his father).  When you ask for that type of money, you&#8217;re expected to perform at a higher level.  Players who make that much money have the pressure to perform at that level and will get criticized to a much higher degree when they don&#8217;t perform.  Making this a race issue is ridiculous and unfounded; if Chase Utley was asking for 20 million a year and performing the same (errors, strikeouts) and having an almost careless attitude about his struggles, as howard has, he would be receiving the same treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve it's not ridiculous hatred. read the numbers posted earlier. a .324 OBP? 508 SLG%? geez. that's just not good. plus his plate discipline is horrible, he's a bad fielder, and he's a below-average baserunner. it's not like he's the reincarnation of Willie McCovey or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve it&#8217;s not ridiculous hatred. read the numbers posted earlier. a .324 OBP? 508 SLG%? geez. that&#8217;s just not good. plus his plate discipline is horrible, he&#8217;s a bad fielder, and he&#8217;s a below-average baserunner. it&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s the reincarnation of Willie McCovey or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I remember three years ago everyone was bitching about Burrell not living up to his contract. Now they want to redo his deal. Nothing against Burrell but that's unbelievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I remember three years ago everyone was bitching about Burrell not living up to his contract. Now they want to redo his deal. Nothing against Burrell but that&#8217;s unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crazy part about this whole thing is, never ONCE has Howard or his camp come out and said they wanted A-Rod type money. There are no quotes, only speculation. The speculation started with Jayson Stark in an article that is no longer on the web. The original page was http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/01/stark-ryan-howa.html
If the people that run that site can be contacted and that info re-posted (and I believe it may have been an ESPN Insider article also, but I don't subscribe to it), it would clearly show that the "A-Rod money" statement was PURE conjecture from Stark himself, no facts at all. Yet people seemed to really grab onto that idea and RUUUUUUUNNNNN with it. But as with ALL urban legends, they tend to get a life of their own.
The problem is the bar had been set so high for this guy, by past accomplishments, that anything short of that, is criticized. The horrible start he got off to only complicated matters even more. If he was doing then, what he is doing now, this ridiculous hatred against this guy would be non-existent. 
Until this fact is widely clarified, the attitude toward Howard will never change. Lastly, in my opinion (notice I said opinion versus parroting what I heard) the phillies will take him to arbitration again and trade him by the 2010-2011 season, especially if Burrell gets resigned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crazy part about this whole thing is, never ONCE has Howard or his camp come out and said they wanted A-Rod type money. There are no quotes, only speculation. The speculation started with Jayson Stark in an article that is no longer on the web. The original page was <a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/01/stark-ryan-howa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/01/stark-ryan-howa.html</a><br />
If the people that run that site can be contacted and that info re-posted (and I believe it may have been an ESPN Insider article also, but I don&#8217;t subscribe to it), it would clearly show that the &#8220;A-Rod money&#8221; statement was PURE conjecture from Stark himself, no facts at all. Yet people seemed to really grab onto that idea and RUUUUUUUNNNNN with it. But as with ALL urban legends, they tend to get a life of their own.<br />
The problem is the bar had been set so high for this guy, by past accomplishments, that anything short of that, is criticized. The horrible start he got off to only complicated matters even more. If he was doing then, what he is doing now, this ridiculous hatred against this guy would be non-existent.<br />
Until this fact is widely clarified, the attitude toward Howard will never change. Lastly, in my opinion (notice I said opinion versus parroting what I heard) the phillies will take him to arbitration again and trade him by the 2010-2011 season, especially if Burrell gets resigned</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-13939</link>
		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell that to the Philly press that made a big deal out of Utley's slump.

Howard in August:

2007: 7 HR, 24 RBI, .266 AVG.

2006: 14 HR, 41 RBI, .348 AVG.

2005: 5 HR, 16 RBI, .307 AVG.

2004: Was not called up until Sept.

Where is the drop off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that to the Philly press that made a big deal out of Utley&#8217;s slump.</p>
<p>Howard in August:</p>
<p>2007: 7 HR, 24 RBI, .266 AVG.</p>
<p>2006: 14 HR, 41 RBI, .348 AVG.</p>
<p>2005: 5 HR, 16 RBI, .307 AVG.</p>
<p>2004: Was not called up until Sept.</p>
<p>Where is the drop off?</p>
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		<title>By: boney</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-13938</link>
		<dc:creator>boney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tbr,

I understand the booing part, I honestly do.

What I don't see is how 0-25 when you bat 4-5 times a game is that bad of a slump?  It looks bad when you're hitting .250 and your batting average dips below .240, but when you're hitting over .300 and you're 0-25 and you're still over .300 or close to .300 it's not that noticeable of a difference.  Baseball players all go through slumps, and I would not be surprised to see Howard break out in August like he has done in years past.

Mizzo,

Just because you hit homeruns at a fantastic pace does not mean you're all world super special baseball player.  I listed players who hit homeruns, Thome, Cecil, McGriff, all at a pace of Howard's current pace.

He's a good kid from what I see on TV, but slugging first basemen have always been replaceable.  There's always that fat kid on the baseball team who can barely play the field but boy can he hit the cover off the ball, so you put him at first base.

I'll give Howard $14m a year and call it a day.  If he wants to hold out for more, go and earn a gold glove and then we'll talk.  Until then, he's just a hacker who is almost 29 years old who has 157 career homeruns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tbr,</p>
<p>I understand the booing part, I honestly do.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t see is how 0-25 when you bat 4-5 times a game is that bad of a slump?  It looks bad when you&#8217;re hitting .250 and your batting average dips below .240, but when you&#8217;re hitting over .300 and you&#8217;re 0-25 and you&#8217;re still over .300 or close to .300 it&#8217;s not that noticeable of a difference.  Baseball players all go through slumps, and I would not be surprised to see Howard break out in August like he has done in years past.</p>
<p>Mizzo,</p>
<p>Just because you hit homeruns at a fantastic pace does not mean you&#8217;re all world super special baseball player.  I listed players who hit homeruns, Thome, Cecil, McGriff, all at a pace of Howard&#8217;s current pace.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a good kid from what I see on TV, but slugging first basemen have always been replaceable.  There&#8217;s always that fat kid on the baseball team who can barely play the field but boy can he hit the cover off the ball, so you put him at first base.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give Howard $14m a year and call it a day.  If he wants to hold out for more, go and earn a gold glove and then we&#8217;ll talk.  Until then, he&#8217;s just a hacker who is almost 29 years old who has 157 career homeruns.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-13934</link>
		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that's the racial part. but Ryan Howard is not a 15-million a year player. pure and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s the racial part. but Ryan Howard is not a 15-million a year player. pure and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-13932</link>
		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't argue w/stats. It bothers me that these fans not giving him a chance to come around. Man, when Utley hit that 0 for 25 snag no one booed this guy. But they give Howard hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t argue w/stats. It bothers me that these fans not giving him a chance to come around. Man, when Utley hit that 0 for 25 snag no one booed this guy. But they give Howard hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-13931</link>
		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and to the overarching point of this piece: is some of the dislike of Ryan Howard racial? i'd say so but i'd also say that it's not all racial. 

I mean... a .324 OBP is horrible. just horrible. I can't even type that without wincing. and boney is right: .832 OPS from a first baseman is... not great either. Ryan might have reached the ceiling of his talent, and if that's true, i'd trade him for friggin pitching (Cole Hamels is Jesus but even Jesus had apostles.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and to the overarching point of this piece: is some of the dislike of Ryan Howard racial? i&#8217;d say so but i&#8217;d also say that it&#8217;s not all racial. </p>
<p>I mean&#8230; a .324 OBP is horrible. just horrible. I can&#8217;t even type that without wincing. and boney is right: .832 OPS from a first baseman is&#8230; not great either. Ryan might have reached the ceiling of his talent, and if that&#8217;s true, i&#8217;d trade him for friggin pitching (Cole Hamels is Jesus but even Jesus had apostles.)</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-13930</link>
		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because you can find someone who can approximate his power production and really... that is all he does. he's an actively bad first baseman, can't run, doesn't get on base nearly enough (.324 OBP ) , and doesn't hit for contact. other than that.... give him the keys to the city. 

if you had the choice between Ryan Howard and say... Derrek Lee who would you take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because you can find someone who can approximate his power production and really&#8230; that is all he does. he&#8217;s an actively bad first baseman, can&#8217;t run, doesn&#8217;t get on base nearly enough (.324 OBP ) , and doesn&#8217;t hit for contact. other than that&#8230;. give him the keys to the city. </p>
<p>if you had the choice between Ryan Howard and say&#8230; Derrek Lee who would you take?</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-13929</link>
		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okori - That was how the majority chose, Howard always ended up being traded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okori - That was how the majority chose, Howard always ended up being traded.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-13927</link>
		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep Jimmy Rollins long term (plays a premium offensive and defensive position better than most in the NL), Chase Utley short-term and trade Ryan Howard. What I would like to know is what are his home\road splits? 

if it's stark in favor of home then it's a real clear answer that maybe he is a slight bit the product of Citizens Bank Park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep Jimmy Rollins long term (plays a premium offensive and defensive position better than most in the NL), Chase Utley short-term and trade Ryan Howard. What I would like to know is what are his home\road splits? </p>
<p>if it&#8217;s stark in favor of home then it&#8217;s a real clear answer that maybe he is a slight bit the product of Citizens Bank Park.</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/14/is-philadelphia-turning-on-ryan-howard/#comment-13926</link>
		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think he's a $20 million guy either $15 mil is cool. The point of the piece is to point out that he's putting up huge numbers but now fans are trying to come up with reasons why he shouldn't be among the highest paid players.

This is something one host tried last week: If you could keep one player long-term, one short term and trade one who would it be? Your choices are Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley and Ryan Howard. What do you do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s a $20 million guy either $15 mil is cool. The point of the piece is to point out that he&#8217;s putting up huge numbers but now fans are trying to come up with reasons why he shouldn&#8217;t be among the highest paid players.</p>
<p>This is something one host tried last week: If you could keep one player long-term, one short term and trade one who would it be? Your choices are Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley and Ryan Howard. What do you do?</p>
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