Even before Brady had Moss his Wrs were still better then any Mcnabb had except TO. People forget how good troy brown was when he was young.

Temple as far as my boy culpepper the reason he was surrounded with talent is because of one man. That man is Dennis Green he was one of the few coaches/GMs who made sure that his QB no matter what color was surrounded by good offensive weapons.

The Moss trade was stupid in that Culpepper now had no running game or WR. Why would a oner and GM set their QB up for failure like that without a reliable replacement. But this is what happens to black QBs over and over again in teh good ole boy NFL.

Sista Miranda I like you am rooting for Campbell as well as Jamarcus Russell. One reason is because unlike the rest of these owners who don’t believe in surrounding their black QBS with talent. Daniel Snyder and Al davis have made great attempts to put their QBs in position to succeed. Look at the 2nd round picks that the washington used to get Campbell some WRs. Look at the 1st round pick and signing of Walker to give Jamarcus some weapons. I mean really would this ever happen in Tennesse or Philly. He11 to the no.

Also I have to root for Jamarcus because if he doesn’t succeed it will be 30 years before another black QB is drafted 1st. Alot of young folks coming up through college and highschool are depending on him as well as campbell and vince. Cause if these dudes don’t do well, you could see the same thing that happened this past draft. Where black QBs that performed well in college get drafted in the late rounds.

Another thing on Kordell Stewart I remember one time that Beeno Cook was on sportscenter and they began talking about kordells time with the steelers. Then out of no where beeno started to cry and little and said that it was a hsame the racism that kordell took from the fans and the media. When every year he had to learn a new system and the coaches wouldn’t open up the game plan until they were behind. I was like d@mn someone at ESPN actually has heart. Boy I swear after that they didn’t bring Beeno back for awhile.

Anyway Harveydent and Mizzo I bet you 5 internet dollars that when Kolb takes over the team they will make sure that they get him not just one big play WR, but also a power running back. And AReid and will call pass and run 50%/50%. Ain’t that how it always works.

It’s an interesting thing that would be an interesting area of study. I don’t know how significant it is. There are a great many factors to weigh as well. It seems to me, though, that a statistical model could be developed to control for coaching changes, quality of WR, etc. The goal would be to develop an Anticipated Performance Index vs. the Actual Performance Index — then you’d have to set up controls for certain factors in order to isolate for “race.”

I believe that Daunte Culpepper was in an excellent situation in Minnesota. Until his injury and Moss’ flight to NE, the Vikings could have put up some serious numbers for another 8 or 9 years. Culpepper has one of the top 5 or 6 regular seasons of all-time – it just happened to be during a year when Peyton Manning was doing the same thing. Sometimes, it seems like many of these players are nothing more than a stiff breeze away from the unemployment line. The NFL is a tough, tough hustle and the players do not get enough credit for their grind.

However, when you own the goalposts, you can move them at will, which is what the msm seems to do quite a bit it seems with black QBs….just up and move the goalpost with nary a warning.

The same thing happened to Kordell Stewart back in the day. Three or four different coordinators — the only time he had any continuity was under Gailey and he went to the Pro Bowl…then Gailey got a new gig (Dallas) and Kordell suffered under Kevin Gilbride — and the rest is history.

I’m not a Brady hater. We both went to Michigan around the same time, though I’m older than he. I always thought he would be a very good NFL QB even though he was caught up in the wash with Drew Henson and Scott Dreisbach.

With that said, Brady was not the critical player for the Patriots during their first three championships. The team, as constructed at the time, featured a dynamic defense of savvy vets with clearly defined roles, excellent special teams, and a just-good-enough offense.

The Patriots didn’t blow anyone out until this year with their offense. The earlier manifestations of those teams were good enough to get blow outs off their defense. Brady is very good and he was the key last year – but he was less important in the earlier years. The comments I made aren’t about him as much as about the depth and structure of the team.

Roethlisberger (not in Brady’s league, yet) was not a major factor in the Steelers most recent SB win — but I am certain if they return, he’ll be huge.

@Miranda, you think there are going to be any Falcons’ games on local ATL television this year? I don’t want any of the Falcs hurt this season but it wouldn’t kill me to see them post three wins again this season and muddle along with Ryan for about three more seasons. The ghost of Vick will be avenged.

That being said, I’m pulling for the Redskins this year…just read where this is Jason Campbell’s 3rd offensive system to learn in 4 years…watch the backlash if he even remotely struggles.

And while I agree with Temple3 for the most part, I don’t think he’s giving Tom Brady enough credit. That dude can play. He gets rid of the ball and he’s accurate. He’s got three rings, stays healthy and… have you noticed — never gets hit hard (like Manning). Now, I’m about as big a Pats hater as you’re going to run into, but I gotta give respect where respect is due.

Consistent quarterback play is the hallmark of successful franchises. When you pair that with a solid defense you have a championship formula. Look at the most successful teams of the past decade. The Eagles have been at or near the top because of McNabb. The Colts and Pats because of Brady and Manning (and they won when their defenses stepped up — remember that remarkable run the Colts D made two seasons ago).

Just watch what happens to the Giants this season. Eli is an okay QB who caught a wave and won a ring. The G-men, without Strahan, could easily end up a .500 team (as an Eagles fan, I cried tears of joy when he retired — the man was a complete pass rusher in the Bruce Smith, Reggie White mold).

I also don’t have a feel for McNabb’s place with this team other than starter this season. I’m still salty for that twelve sack debacle in the Meadowlands last year where it seemed like Reid left his one-legged QB out there to twist slowly in the wind which made me voice on this site and SOMM that McNabb would be gone which is why I made the second Giants game in Philly because I thought it would be the last significant Eagles game of his career. Glad I was proved wrong and it seems as if Reid is still yoked to McNabb but another subpar season which means a wildcard or just .500 again may rattle the aerie of the fans too much and Lurie will be forced to make Reid start the Kolb Era. I’m not wishing for Kolb to be a bust because I’m still more a fan of the team than any player but to see an exceptional leader shown the door when he is still six or seven years from the end of his career is plain stupid and, dare I say, RACIST because despite what my fellow Eagles fans will proclaim it still comes down to McNabb’s color more than anything else with those people. Think I’m mistaken then just go check the Eagles MB sometime.

And for those who’ll say that he chokes, well, actually pukes in the big games, remember that every time he threw up in a game he threw a touchdown the next play.

GO EAGLES GO!!!