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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14341</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about BW (arguably the most important thing) is tha he makes defenders shit on every play because they KNOW if they have to tackle him alone, they are likely to get embarassed and he&#039;ll score.  He&#039;s one of a handful of guys that can do that every single time he touches the ball -- and everyone knows it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about BW (arguably the most important thing) is tha he makes defenders shit on every play because they KNOW if they have to tackle him alone, they are likely to get embarassed and he&#8217;ll score.  He&#8217;s one of a handful of guys that can do that every single time he touches the ball &#8212; and everyone knows it.</p>
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		<title>By: Black Market Index</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14337</link>
		<dc:creator>Black Market Index</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Temple3... I feel you if you&#039;re saying Leon Washington is the crown prince in waiting for B-West&#039;s multi-purpose back throne.  And he is a force in the return game.

&quot;That Green Bay game last season was a joke&quot;...

Too true.

Although that game was Andy Reid&#039;s fault.  You can&#039;t put a guy (J.R. Reed) who&#039;d never returned a punt in a live game back there in that critical a juncture.  They cut Mahe and Bloom, two poor punt returner options, before the season started and then refused to put Westbrook back there to at least fair catch the ball.

After that game I got genuine joy every time B-West went back to cover a punt.  Remember the Seattle game -- his return put them in position to win... until Feeley found Tatupu (again).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Temple3&#8230; I feel you if you&#8217;re saying Leon Washington is the crown prince in waiting for B-West&#8217;s multi-purpose back throne.  And he is a force in the return game.</p>
<p>&#8220;That Green Bay game last season was a joke&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Too true.</p>
<p>Although that game was Andy Reid&#8217;s fault.  You can&#8217;t put a guy (J.R. Reed) who&#8217;d never returned a punt in a live game back there in that critical a juncture.  They cut Mahe and Bloom, two poor punt returner options, before the season started and then refused to put Westbrook back there to at least fair catch the ball.</p>
<p>After that game I got genuine joy every time B-West went back to cover a punt.  Remember the Seattle game &#8212; his return put them in position to win&#8230; until Feeley found Tatupu (again).</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14336</link>
		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, I looked at his carries and that is one hell of a workload for 7 years and not suffer any significant injuries (see Jamal Anderson).

I cringe when he goes back to return a punt, but they were so awful last season someone needed to give them a boost.

I always said that they should have someone scout HBCUs ONLY for all postions but mainly for a return guy. I know there&#039;s a kid out there that can return a damn kickoff or field a punt. That Green Bay game last season was a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, I looked at his carries and that is one hell of a workload for 7 years and not suffer any significant injuries (see Jamal Anderson).</p>
<p>I cringe when he goes back to return a punt, but they were so awful last season someone needed to give them a boost.</p>
<p>I always said that they should have someone scout HBCUs ONLY for all postions but mainly for a return guy. I know there&#8217;s a kid out there that can return a damn kickoff or field a punt. That Green Bay game last season was a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14335</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BMI:

No question on Leon Washington.  That&#039;s why I put his name in there.  He&#039;s a nice runner (not in Westbrook&#039;s league right now - who know&#039;s down the road).  Washington, though, is a lethal game changer on special teams.  

Westbrook is the real deal - no question.

TBR:

I agree about Westbrook on special teams - but he&#039;s too valuable to the team to use regularly back there.  He has no kickoff returns over the past 4 years and only 19 punts (in 4 years).  The risk of losing him back there is simply too great.

Also, I wouldn&#039;t hold the decline in catches against LT.  First off, 60 is an awful lot of catches.  And, it is worth mentioning that the year before the &#039;100,&#039; LT had 79.  Besides, guess who&#039;s first two FULL seasons in the league happened right after that 100 season?  Antonio Gates.  Throw in the emergence of their large, over-sized receivers (Floyd, etc.) and a QB change -- and the decline makes perfect sense.

I largely agree with you about Tomlinson&#039;s longevity - but I can&#039;t say definitely.  It&#039;s really amazing that he&#039;s done what he&#039;s done for so long.  I can&#039;t imagine another year or two like the last 7...it would be unprecedented in the history of the league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMI:</p>
<p>No question on Leon Washington.  That&#8217;s why I put his name in there.  He&#8217;s a nice runner (not in Westbrook&#8217;s league right now &#8211; who know&#8217;s down the road).  Washington, though, is a lethal game changer on special teams.  </p>
<p>Westbrook is the real deal &#8211; no question.</p>
<p>TBR:</p>
<p>I agree about Westbrook on special teams &#8211; but he&#8217;s too valuable to the team to use regularly back there.  He has no kickoff returns over the past 4 years and only 19 punts (in 4 years).  The risk of losing him back there is simply too great.</p>
<p>Also, I wouldn&#8217;t hold the decline in catches against LT.  First off, 60 is an awful lot of catches.  And, it is worth mentioning that the year before the &#8217;100,&#8217; LT had 79.  Besides, guess who&#8217;s first two FULL seasons in the league happened right after that 100 season?  Antonio Gates.  Throw in the emergence of their large, over-sized receivers (Floyd, etc.) and a QB change &#8212; and the decline makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>I largely agree with you about Tomlinson&#8217;s longevity &#8211; but I can&#8217;t say definitely.  It&#8217;s really amazing that he&#8217;s done what he&#8217;s done for so long.  I can&#8217;t imagine another year or two like the last 7&#8230;it would be unprecedented in the history of the league.</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14334</link>
		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He (L.T.) may be a better ballplayer than Westbrook, I&#039;m cool with that but for me Westbrook can hurt you in the special teams game even though that load has been reduced greatly. I&#039;m not knockin&#039; L.T. in the slightest but I will say his best days are behind him and that doesn&#039;t mean a decline this season or even next. He will plateau from here on out.

In regards to that 100 catch season, his next best after that was 60 last season. 

As far as Westbrook not being this or that, I just don&#039;t buy into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He (L.T.) may be a better ballplayer than Westbrook, I&#8217;m cool with that but for me Westbrook can hurt you in the special teams game even though that load has been reduced greatly. I&#8217;m not knockin&#8217; L.T. in the slightest but I will say his best days are behind him and that doesn&#8217;t mean a decline this season or even next. He will plateau from here on out.</p>
<p>In regards to that 100 catch season, his next best after that was 60 last season. </p>
<p>As far as Westbrook not being this or that, I just don&#8217;t buy into it.</p>
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		<title>By: MKRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>MKRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Westbrook is the best all around back in the NFL.
The Eagles need to find a way to trade some of these guys and get another wide receiver for Donovan to throw to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Westbrook is the best all around back in the NFL.<br />
The Eagles need to find a way to trade some of these guys and get another wide receiver for Donovan to throw to.</p>
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		<title>By: Black Market Index</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14331</link>
		<dc:creator>Black Market Index</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Temple3,

Westbrook is special, but Marshall Faulk is the gold standard.

The comparisons to Barber and Holmes are valid, and barring injury I&#039;d expect B-West to have a similar career (two to three more 1000+ yard seasons).  But, Leon Washington?  Really?  That&#039;s just the stats lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Temple3,</p>
<p>Westbrook is special, but Marshall Faulk is the gold standard.</p>
<p>The comparisons to Barber and Holmes are valid, and barring injury I&#8217;d expect B-West to have a similar career (two to three more 1000+ yard seasons).  But, Leon Washington?  Really?  That&#8217;s just the stats lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14330</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like Lorenzo Booker.  While I think Philly has too much of the same thing, Booker is talented.  Ditto on Tony Hunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like Lorenzo Booker.  While I think Philly has too much of the same thing, Booker is talented.  Ditto on Tony Hunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14329</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick note about hands: You do realize that LT caught 100 balls in his 3rd season in the league.  He&#039;s been in the Top 3 in touches every single season.  He&#039;s been Top 10 in All-Purpose Yards for 6 of 7 seasons.

There is a reason he gets more ink than Brian Westbrook.  He is a better football player.  Everything Westbrook can do he can do - at least as well.  Westbrook could not carry the load that LT does for the Chargers.  

When you check the record books, you&#039;ll be hard pressed to find a single RB who carried the rock for 300+ times for 7 consecutive seasons.  It&#039;s an amazing testament to his conditioning (and luck).  Give that man his due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick note about hands: You do realize that LT caught 100 balls in his 3rd season in the league.  He&#8217;s been in the Top 3 in touches every single season.  He&#8217;s been Top 10 in All-Purpose Yards for 6 of 7 seasons.</p>
<p>There is a reason he gets more ink than Brian Westbrook.  He is a better football player.  Everything Westbrook can do he can do &#8211; at least as well.  Westbrook could not carry the load that LT does for the Chargers.  </p>
<p>When you check the record books, you&#8217;ll be hard pressed to find a single RB who carried the rock for 300+ times for 7 consecutive seasons.  It&#8217;s an amazing testament to his conditioning (and luck).  Give that man his due.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14328</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;However, there is little debate today about Westbrook being the best multi-purpose back the NFL since Marshall Faulk.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There could be a huge debate.

If all-purpose includes all the things I think it includes, Westbrook is not the top guy in the league.  In fact, he&#039;s really a dual purpose back.  He simply is too valuable to be used extensively in the punt or kick return game.  That means you have to compare Westbrook to other backs on the basis of running and receiving.  

He measures up well - but you cannot be suggesting that his 2006 and 2007 seasons were the best AP seasons by backs in the league since Faulk.  

Westbrook has had only 1 season among the Top 100 in All-Purpose Yards.  It was last year.  He finished 3rd in the league and 47th all-time.  But, he was behind Jerrious Norwood.  Now, I&#039;d rather have Westbrook than Norwood this season - but Westbrook may be getting too much love from the home crowd.

There are all these dynamic pass-catching running backs with names like Tomlinson, Jackson, Barber (retired, but part of the conversation), Holmes (retired, but part of the conversation), and even little Leon Washington (right on Westbrook&#039;s heels last year in APY).  

Frankly, Westbrook doesn&#039;t return kicks and has only returned 19 punts in the last four years.  Westbrook really only has two years worth of full-time play at the position -- and he doesn&#039;t carry the true heavy load (300+ carries) at the position.  The Eagles are smart to deploy him in the passing game.  But consider that even in LT&#039;s season when he caught 90 balls, he still had 300 carries.  (BW was second in touches last year - tied with Clinton Portis.  The difference in damage to the body from running vs. catching passes out the backfield is tremendous and makes a huge difference.  BW would be wise to NEVER carry the ball 300 times.  By comparison, LT has done that 7 times in 7 seasons.)

Westbrook, though, is as valuable a player as there is in the league precisely because of his versatility and suprising durability.  He was 10th in carries and 3rd in rushing yards.  That&#039;s awesome - but I can&#039;t put him on top of the all-purpose list.  I can&#039;t even put him on top of &quot;The Little Guy with Great Hands who Runs for High Average&quot; List.  You can&#039;t even put him atop the list of &quot;Amazing 3rd Down Pass Catchers who also Run Really Well on First and Second Down.&quot;  He&#039;s not just a role player.  He&#039;s the lead dog pulling the sled in Philly and he must be measured against the other Big Boys on the totality of his game.  He&#039;s not the best since Faulk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, there is little debate today about Westbrook being the best multi-purpose back the NFL since Marshall Faulk.</p></blockquote>
<p>There could be a huge debate.</p>
<p>If all-purpose includes all the things I think it includes, Westbrook is not the top guy in the league.  In fact, he&#8217;s really a dual purpose back.  He simply is too valuable to be used extensively in the punt or kick return game.  That means you have to compare Westbrook to other backs on the basis of running and receiving.  </p>
<p>He measures up well &#8211; but you cannot be suggesting that his 2006 and 2007 seasons were the best AP seasons by backs in the league since Faulk.  </p>
<p>Westbrook has had only 1 season among the Top 100 in All-Purpose Yards.  It was last year.  He finished 3rd in the league and 47th all-time.  But, he was behind Jerrious Norwood.  Now, I&#8217;d rather have Westbrook than Norwood this season &#8211; but Westbrook may be getting too much love from the home crowd.</p>
<p>There are all these dynamic pass-catching running backs with names like Tomlinson, Jackson, Barber (retired, but part of the conversation), Holmes (retired, but part of the conversation), and even little Leon Washington (right on Westbrook&#8217;s heels last year in APY).  </p>
<p>Frankly, Westbrook doesn&#8217;t return kicks and has only returned 19 punts in the last four years.  Westbrook really only has two years worth of full-time play at the position &#8212; and he doesn&#8217;t carry the true heavy load (300+ carries) at the position.  The Eagles are smart to deploy him in the passing game.  But consider that even in LT&#8217;s season when he caught 90 balls, he still had 300 carries.  (BW was second in touches last year &#8211; tied with Clinton Portis.  The difference in damage to the body from running vs. catching passes out the backfield is tremendous and makes a huge difference.  BW would be wise to NEVER carry the ball 300 times.  By comparison, LT has done that 7 times in 7 seasons.)</p>
<p>Westbrook, though, is as valuable a player as there is in the league precisely because of his versatility and suprising durability.  He was 10th in carries and 3rd in rushing yards.  That&#8217;s awesome &#8211; but I can&#8217;t put him on top of the all-purpose list.  I can&#8217;t even put him on top of &#8220;The Little Guy with Great Hands who Runs for High Average&#8221; List.  You can&#8217;t even put him atop the list of &#8220;Amazing 3rd Down Pass Catchers who also Run Really Well on First and Second Down.&#8221;  He&#8217;s not just a role player.  He&#8217;s the lead dog pulling the sled in Philly and he must be measured against the other Big Boys on the totality of his game.  He&#8217;s not the best since Faulk.</p>
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		<title>By: origin</title>
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		<dc:creator>origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHA Modi I was gonna talk about that too. Yeap the AFL championship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA Modi I was gonna talk about that too. Yeap the AFL championship.</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then again they have some ends that they like to move inside so they may cut him or place him on the practice squad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then again they have some ends that they like to move inside so they may cut him or place him on the practice squad.</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Origin - They brought Klecko in to vie for the FB spot but it didn&#039;t go as planned. So now he&#039;s back to DT, the Eagles normally keep no more than 4 DTs so he&#039;ll be fighting for the 4th spot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Origin &#8211; They brought Klecko in to vie for the FB spot but it didn&#8217;t go as planned. So now he&#8217;s back to DT, the Eagles normally keep no more than 4 DTs so he&#8217;ll be fighting for the 4th spot</p>
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		<title>By: Black Market Index</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/07/28/philadelphia-eagles-training-camp-2008-the-runningbacks/comment-page-1/#comment-14320</link>
		<dc:creator>Black Market Index</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modi,

As a Philly sports guy I say, very funny, but I think we&#039;re going to hold off on that parade down Broad Street.  It&#039;s good to see our profound professional championship suffering is the butt of so many jokes.

P.S. If we&#039;re counting an AFL championship then we have to throw in the two Calder cups the AHL Philadelphia Phantoms won.  What?  A black man can&#039;t dig on ice hockey?  Willie O&#039;Ree, Grant Fuhr, Anson Carter, Donald Brashear, Jerome Iginla... sure, they may be Canadians, but where do you think all those runaway slaves were going?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modi,</p>
<p>As a Philly sports guy I say, very funny, but I think we&#8217;re going to hold off on that parade down Broad Street.  It&#8217;s good to see our profound professional championship suffering is the butt of so many jokes.</p>
<p>P.S. If we&#8217;re counting an AFL championship then we have to throw in the two Calder cups the AHL Philadelphia Phantoms won.  What?  A black man can&#8217;t dig on ice hockey?  Willie O&#8217;Ree, Grant Fuhr, Anson Carter, Donald Brashear, Jerome Iginla&#8230; sure, they may be Canadians, but where do you think all those runaway slaves were going?</p>
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		<title>By: MODI</title>
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		<dc:creator>MODI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen guys, I don&#039;t mean to high-jack this post, but you guys missed the biggest story in 25 years!!!

Of course, I&#039;m talking about the fact that THE PHILLY DROUGHT IS OVER!!!!

The Philadelphia Soul won the Arena bowl championship!!!!!

What? no celebration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen guys, I don&#8217;t mean to high-jack this post, but you guys missed the biggest story in 25 years!!!</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m talking about the fact that THE PHILLY DROUGHT IS OVER!!!!</p>
<p>The Philadelphia Soul won the Arena bowl championship!!!!!</p>
<p>What? no celebration?</p>
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