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		<title>By: Ralph Wiley’s Light Touches the Son: The Interview With Cole Wiley Part II &#124; The Starting Five</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-17352</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Wiley’s Light Touches the Son: The Interview With Cole Wiley Part II &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] laughing to myself because Black Mustard is being put the the test here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Donovan McNabb and the Philadelphia Eagles Put the NFL On Notice &#124; The Starting Five</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donovan McNabb and the Philadelphia Eagles Put the NFL On Notice &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] shine bright on the young fella, so he betta fight outta sight if he wants to show and prove his Black Mustard mettle. We ain&#8217;t had his type of swagger since way before Sleepy Brown was crying for Tito to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-16537</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You miss the whole point. This is not about showing someone up. If I saw my kid do that I would be all up in his chest. Who the hell are you to tell a grown man to check his emotions when you have no idea what he went through his entire life to get to that moment of joy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You miss the whole point. This is not about showing someone up. If I saw my kid do that I would be all up in his chest. Who the hell are you to tell a grown man to check his emotions when you have no idea what he went through his entire life to get to that moment of joy?</p>
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		<title>By: Kwaku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kwaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What many of you completely fail to understand is that one of the components of 'sportsmanship' is to refrain from excessive celebration BEFORE the game is over.  Most people enjoy the celebration when an athlete or team has already achieved victory.  Michael Phelps poured on the mustard after he had already won, much unlike the showboating glory hounds in the NBA who party like it's 1999 after a breakaway second quarter dunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What many of you completely fail to understand is that one of the components of &#8217;sportsmanship&#8217; is to refrain from excessive celebration BEFORE the game is over.  Most people enjoy the celebration when an athlete or team has already achieved victory.  Michael Phelps poured on the mustard after he had already won, much unlike the showboating glory hounds in the NBA who party like it&#8217;s 1999 after a breakaway second quarter dunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Arlene Forbes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arlene Forbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good googah moogah Boney!  Chill out will ya.  If Michael Phelps standing at poolside beating his chest like a freaking gorilla after Lezak's finish in the  4x4 100m relay wasn't pouring on the 
MUSTARD!!!!.....  And check out Garrett Weber-Gale while you're at it.  Totally incredible to witness!  You'd have to be dead not to get a boner watching the footage.  

www.nbcolympics.com/swimming/news/newsid=194272.html 

Here's to BLACK MUSTARD

Arlene (Aware) Forbes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good googah moogah Boney!  Chill out will ya.  If Michael Phelps standing at poolside beating his chest like a freaking gorilla after Lezak&#8217;s finish in the  4&#215;4 100m relay wasn&#8217;t pouring on the<br />
MUSTARD!!!!&#8230;..  And check out Garrett Weber-Gale while you&#8217;re at it.  Totally incredible to witness!  You&#8217;d have to be dead not to get a boner watching the footage.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nbcolympics.com/swimming/news/newsid=194272.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbcolympics.com/swimming/news/newsid=194272.html</a> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to BLACK MUSTARD</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just don't let my girl read this because she full well knows I don't get down like that. 

Funny stuff Boney but I won't stoop...

not this time anyway especially when I know the streets are watching.

The &lt;em&gt;angry mob&lt;/em&gt; you speak of is no where to be found.

You are not a Black man in America so you just can't relate can you?

Tell me where did I misquote you? I actually agree with some of what you say here but it is what it is.

I'll print some of what you wrote so there won't be any confusion:



&lt;blockquote&gt;My other problem with the "Dream Team" is also that while we all paint a rosey picture of how our world class basketball players play without selfishness when that is far from the truth.  It's not a mirage the images of Shawn Kemp grabbing his balls on a dunk, it's not a mirage to watch Vince Carter "jump over" Frederic Weis and then taunt him after he dunks the ball.  It's not a figment of my imagination or anyone else's.  The "Dream Team" is a microcosm of this country and what it's turned into.  We think we're automatically better than everyone and we rub it in their faces and look what that gets us, negative press that we deserve.  Does Larry Johnson really need to taunt foreign players to make himself feel good?  I saw these things with my own eyes, and I formed my own opinion.  Before I read any news clippings I watched those "Dream Team" games and called bullshit on the taunting and the finger pointing the showboating of the players on the teams.I cheer for the underdog, in all sports.  Again, it's not because of the player's skin color, it's because it's special to see the underdog win.  History is made when the underdog wins.  The "favorites" do things like taunt his opponent on a breakaway dunk or a punt return for a TD while the underdog has to put in the extra work to overcome the physical or mental differences between themselves and the favorite.  It's not un-american to not "cheer" for the US Men's National team, and it also does not make me (and I'll go out on a limb here) or the majority of those who don't cheer for them bigots.
 
If the players don't want to be looked at like they're making an And-1 mixtape on the court, then dunk the ball without all the theatrics.  If the commenters who "call me out" want to tell me I called someone a monkey (which I didn't) for hanging on the rim and grabbing his balls, then maybe Shawn Kemp shouldn't set such a poor precedent.  Image is everything, and that image is burned into the minds of those that dislike USA basketball.  It's disrespectful to show up your opponent, and that's what the individual players (not whole teams) have done over the years.  Which is why, I feel, the people that don't like USA Basketball don't like them.
 
So if I'm a bigot because I'm not interested in watching an alleyoopfest during the Olympics, then I guess I'm a bigot.  If I'm a bigot because I referenced hanging on the rim and grabbing your balls to disrespect your opponent, then I guess I'm a bigot.  One thing though, I don't enjoy the team because of the arrogant image they project, not the color of their skin.  Which, the last time I checked, doesn't make me a bigot or racist.  So, "call me out" or "put me on blast" if everyone wants to but there's honestly not a hateful bone in my body.  I find fratboy blog humor somewhat amusing, so I guess that's what is held against me.  That's fine with me, think what you want.  Put me on blast, call me out, bring out all the venom... I'm no better than anyone else, and I feel I don't act like I am.
 &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Couldn't Vince Carter have been really excited that he jumped over a 7 foot tall man? 

Where was the taunt? 

You bring up a few instances and judge the entire sport based on insecurity.

Did you root against Argentina when they were on top of the world?

Did you root against Usain Bolt in the 200 after he one the 100?

Did you root against Michael Phelps after he won his first gold?

Do you feel Cullen Jones deserved to compete in the final?

Did you root against the American women gymnastics team?

Track and field competitors haven't been classified as amateur since they were in college and some even before.

Your history of professionalism in comparison to amateurism in Olympic basketball play is way off base dude. The world has been sending pros to the Olympics for years. When the world "caught" up to us, what were we supposed to do keep getting our asses kicked by men who have been playing together for years? This team played ball, won the gold and left. It was the world who punched and kicked and whined when they just couldn't crack their psyche.

To characterize the NBA as a showboating league is laughable. Yes there are instances of players going overboard but they should not and will not overshadow the most fluid game in sports. 

In a nutshell, Black athletes get painted with the same brush and when cats like you spout nonsensical and mad generalizing words that just echo "White Salad Dressing", then I have to call you out.

Our athletes are a microcosm of America's culture. There is not a more scrutinized member of any race in sports than the Black man.

I want some excitement in the game. I love exotic flair. Shawn Kemp did not come through in the clutch ever, but his athleticism was amazing to watch.

He had his place in the league. He doesn't represent all the players or even talent I personally love to watch.

I wrote this piece because in the past you've commented with veiled words that should be construed as racist. I'm not the only reader who has said such Boney. You know you can't come here or SOMM and get away with words you say at a bar, in your car or at your crib. 

That's the difference between you and I.

We speak truth here and we call it how we see it. I pull no punches and say the same things here as I would do anywhere.

I guess you couldn't handle getting called out indirectly. 

The one thing I will say I will do as a writer is to stop reacting to words which are predictable. 

You find frat boy snark amusing? How is that so when you then in turn hate an athletic reaction?

I find it repugnant because it honestly adds nothing to sports. What is its origin or its meaning? Is snark the only way you can relate? Who gives fans the right to act like assholes when attending games?  Don't say the dollar because you don't own an athlete just because you attend a game.

Why is it all about the athlete in America? What about the fans? What about their (fans) individual lives? Why have fans and yellow bellied media members become the moral and technical compass of American culture when we all know some are far from it?

So athletes over the years aren't going to become numb to fans who hate them? 

Are you are one of those cats in the 700th level burpin' and cussin' at McNabb one minute and cheering for him the next? 

Look dude, this world is changing. Bitchassness from Black writers assimilating is no longer going to be tolerated and folk like you just have to deal with it.

In the past I would have cussed you out along the lines of your post, but no longer because really what does it all mean?

Your respect means nothing for when you come with coded conversation to satisfy your own insecurities you certainly won't get any from me.

Now, we can have a conversation all day long but stick to the script. In other words, be honest.

Allen puts everything in perspective here:



&lt;blockquote&gt;I wrote about this as well a while back on my blog. I pointed out that they have no problem watching us suffer when we fail in sports, but when we succeed and celebrate it becomes a problem. Both emotions come from the same place. the realization that you as a person have accomplished a goal that has taken untold sacrifice. That would make anybody celebrate or cry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just don&#8217;t let my girl read this because she full well knows I don&#8217;t get down like that. </p>
<p>Funny stuff Boney but I won&#8217;t stoop&#8230;</p>
<p>not this time anyway especially when I know the streets are watching.</p>
<p>The <em>angry mob</em> you speak of is no where to be found.</p>
<p>You are not a Black man in America so you just can&#8217;t relate can you?</p>
<p>Tell me where did I misquote you? I actually agree with some of what you say here but it is what it is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll print some of what you wrote so there won&#8217;t be any confusion:</p>
<blockquote><p>My other problem with the &#8220;Dream Team&#8221; is also that while we all paint a rosey picture of how our world class basketball players play without selfishness when that is far from the truth.  It&#8217;s not a mirage the images of Shawn Kemp grabbing his balls on a dunk, it&#8217;s not a mirage to watch Vince Carter &#8220;jump over&#8221; Frederic Weis and then taunt him after he dunks the ball.  It&#8217;s not a figment of my imagination or anyone else&#8217;s.  The &#8220;Dream Team&#8221; is a microcosm of this country and what it&#8217;s turned into.  We think we&#8217;re automatically better than everyone and we rub it in their faces and look what that gets us, negative press that we deserve.  Does Larry Johnson really need to taunt foreign players to make himself feel good?  I saw these things with my own eyes, and I formed my own opinion.  Before I read any news clippings I watched those &#8220;Dream Team&#8221; games and called bullshit on the taunting and the finger pointing the showboating of the players on the teams.I cheer for the underdog, in all sports.  Again, it&#8217;s not because of the player&#8217;s skin color, it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s special to see the underdog win.  History is made when the underdog wins.  The &#8220;favorites&#8221; do things like taunt his opponent on a breakaway dunk or a punt return for a TD while the underdog has to put in the extra work to overcome the physical or mental differences between themselves and the favorite.  It&#8217;s not un-american to not &#8220;cheer&#8221; for the US Men&#8217;s National team, and it also does not make me (and I&#8217;ll go out on a limb here) or the majority of those who don&#8217;t cheer for them bigots.</p>
<p>If the players don&#8217;t want to be looked at like they&#8217;re making an And-1 mixtape on the court, then dunk the ball without all the theatrics.  If the commenters who &#8220;call me out&#8221; want to tell me I called someone a monkey (which I didn&#8217;t) for hanging on the rim and grabbing his balls, then maybe Shawn Kemp shouldn&#8217;t set such a poor precedent.  Image is everything, and that image is burned into the minds of those that dislike USA basketball.  It&#8217;s disrespectful to show up your opponent, and that&#8217;s what the individual players (not whole teams) have done over the years.  Which is why, I feel, the people that don&#8217;t like USA Basketball don&#8217;t like them.</p>
<p>So if I&#8217;m a bigot because I&#8217;m not interested in watching an alleyoopfest during the Olympics, then I guess I&#8217;m a bigot.  If I&#8217;m a bigot because I referenced hanging on the rim and grabbing your balls to disrespect your opponent, then I guess I&#8217;m a bigot.  One thing though, I don&#8217;t enjoy the team because of the arrogant image they project, not the color of their skin.  Which, the last time I checked, doesn&#8217;t make me a bigot or racist.  So, &#8220;call me out&#8221; or &#8220;put me on blast&#8221; if everyone wants to but there&#8217;s honestly not a hateful bone in my body.  I find fratboy blog humor somewhat amusing, so I guess that&#8217;s what is held against me.  That&#8217;s fine with me, think what you want.  Put me on blast, call me out, bring out all the venom&#8230; I&#8217;m no better than anyone else, and I feel I don&#8217;t act like I am.
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<p>Couldn&#8217;t Vince Carter have been really excited that he jumped over a 7 foot tall man? </p>
<p>Where was the taunt? </p>
<p>You bring up a few instances and judge the entire sport based on insecurity.</p>
<p>Did you root against Argentina when they were on top of the world?</p>
<p>Did you root against Usain Bolt in the 200 after he one the 100?</p>
<p>Did you root against Michael Phelps after he won his first gold?</p>
<p>Do you feel Cullen Jones deserved to compete in the final?</p>
<p>Did you root against the American women gymnastics team?</p>
<p>Track and field competitors haven&#8217;t been classified as amateur since they were in college and some even before.</p>
<p>Your history of professionalism in comparison to amateurism in Olympic basketball play is way off base dude. The world has been sending pros to the Olympics for years. When the world &#8220;caught&#8221; up to us, what were we supposed to do keep getting our asses kicked by men who have been playing together for years? This team played ball, won the gold and left. It was the world who punched and kicked and whined when they just couldn&#8217;t crack their psyche.</p>
<p>To characterize the NBA as a showboating league is laughable. Yes there are instances of players going overboard but they should not and will not overshadow the most fluid game in sports. </p>
<p>In a nutshell, Black athletes get painted with the same brush and when cats like you spout nonsensical and mad generalizing words that just echo &#8220;White Salad Dressing&#8221;, then I have to call you out.</p>
<p>Our athletes are a microcosm of America&#8217;s culture. There is not a more scrutinized member of any race in sports than the Black man.</p>
<p>I want some excitement in the game. I love exotic flair. Shawn Kemp did not come through in the clutch ever, but his athleticism was amazing to watch.</p>
<p>He had his place in the league. He doesn&#8217;t represent all the players or even talent I personally love to watch.</p>
<p>I wrote this piece because in the past you&#8217;ve commented with veiled words that should be construed as racist. I&#8217;m not the only reader who has said such Boney. You know you can&#8217;t come here or SOMM and get away with words you say at a bar, in your car or at your crib. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the difference between you and I.</p>
<p>We speak truth here and we call it how we see it. I pull no punches and say the same things here as I would do anywhere.</p>
<p>I guess you couldn&#8217;t handle getting called out indirectly. </p>
<p>The one thing I will say I will do as a writer is to stop reacting to words which are predictable. </p>
<p>You find frat boy snark amusing? How is that so when you then in turn hate an athletic reaction?</p>
<p>I find it repugnant because it honestly adds nothing to sports. What is its origin or its meaning? Is snark the only way you can relate? Who gives fans the right to act like assholes when attending games?  Don&#8217;t say the dollar because you don&#8217;t own an athlete just because you attend a game.</p>
<p>Why is it all about the athlete in America? What about the fans? What about their (fans) individual lives? Why have fans and yellow bellied media members become the moral and technical compass of American culture when we all know some are far from it?</p>
<p>So athletes over the years aren&#8217;t going to become numb to fans who hate them? </p>
<p>Are you are one of those cats in the 700th level burpin&#8217; and cussin&#8217; at McNabb one minute and cheering for him the next? </p>
<p>Look dude, this world is changing. Bitchassness from Black writers assimilating is no longer going to be tolerated and folk like you just have to deal with it.</p>
<p>In the past I would have cussed you out along the lines of your post, but no longer because really what does it all mean?</p>
<p>Your respect means nothing for when you come with coded conversation to satisfy your own insecurities you certainly won&#8217;t get any from me.</p>
<p>Now, we can have a conversation all day long but stick to the script. In other words, be honest.</p>
<p>Allen puts everything in perspective here:</p>
<blockquote><p>I wrote about this as well a while back on my blog. I pointed out that they have no problem watching us suffer when we fail in sports, but when we succeed and celebrate it becomes a problem. Both emotions come from the same place. the realization that you as a person have accomplished a goal that has taken untold sacrifice. That would make anybody celebrate or cry.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Boney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you misunderstood what your reader was saying.

Perhaps they do actually enjoy the NBA, just not the fact that the Olympics are, or have been about, the amateurs in years past.

There is no "rage" when it comes to "jumping over" (jumping over does not mean jumping and spreading your legs to avoid the man by the way), it's a showboating style of play.  It comes into play also as Larry Johnson talks trash to clearly overmatched benchwarmers from other countries, it comes into play when Shawn Kemp grabs his dick on a dunk and then immediately begs for forgiveness in an SI column afterwards.

See, when you intentionally misquote a "reader", it's disrespect.  It's what fires up the already angry mob that attends this very site.  It's that same disrespect, that allows Vince Carter to drag his dick across Fred Weis' head or that causes Kemp to grab his sack.

Call it whatever you want to call it, but let me tell you this.  When it's "white mustard" it's disrespectful borderline racist but when it's "black mustard" it's pure african.

There's not a single african out there on the Olympic basketball court in any of those highlights.

So, continue to intentionally misremember the quote about not liking the NBA or Team USA...  Perhaps that emailer knew that this type of response would come, only continuing to prove that you are in fact a bottom dwelling, opportunistic scum.

You had my respect... when all you really are worth is my sack on your tonsils, bitch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you misunderstood what your reader was saying.</p>
<p>Perhaps they do actually enjoy the NBA, just not the fact that the Olympics are, or have been about, the amateurs in years past.</p>
<p>There is no &#8220;rage&#8221; when it comes to &#8220;jumping over&#8221; (jumping over does not mean jumping and spreading your legs to avoid the man by the way), it&#8217;s a showboating style of play.  It comes into play also as Larry Johnson talks trash to clearly overmatched benchwarmers from other countries, it comes into play when Shawn Kemp grabs his dick on a dunk and then immediately begs for forgiveness in an SI column afterwards.</p>
<p>See, when you intentionally misquote a &#8220;reader&#8221;, it&#8217;s disrespect.  It&#8217;s what fires up the already angry mob that attends this very site.  It&#8217;s that same disrespect, that allows Vince Carter to drag his dick across Fred Weis&#8217; head or that causes Kemp to grab his sack.</p>
<p>Call it whatever you want to call it, but let me tell you this.  When it&#8217;s &#8220;white mustard&#8221; it&#8217;s disrespectful borderline racist but when it&#8217;s &#8220;black mustard&#8221; it&#8217;s pure african.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not a single african out there on the Olympic basketball court in any of those highlights.</p>
<p>So, continue to intentionally misremember the quote about not liking the NBA or Team USA&#8230;  Perhaps that emailer knew that this type of response would come, only continuing to prove that you are in fact a bottom dwelling, opportunistic scum.</p>
<p>You had my respect&#8230; when all you really are worth is my sack on your tonsils, bitch.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Son of Nun: The Art of the Struggle &#124; The Starting Five</title>
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		<dc:creator>Son of Nun: The Art of the Struggle &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-16300</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't read TSF regularly, but after this post (which I found on fanhouse) I have bookmarked TSF and intend to visit regularly. Wonderful article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read TSF regularly, but after this post (which I found on fanhouse) I have bookmarked TSF and intend to visit regularly. Wonderful article.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-16293</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where's your honor? Show it to me...</description>
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		<title>By: Kwaku</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-16268</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 01:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hint:  there is a concept called "sportsmanship" that a great number of people value.  Sportsmanship is not the equivalent of emotionless existentialism.  Nobody likes fingers of celebration that aren't their own wagging in their faces, including the jive turkeys who celebrate excessively with no sense of honor or self control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hint:  there is a concept called &#8220;sportsmanship&#8221; that a great number of people value.  Sportsmanship is not the equivalent of emotionless existentialism.  Nobody likes fingers of celebration that aren&#8217;t their own wagging in their faces, including the jive turkeys who celebrate excessively with no sense of honor or self control.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-16086</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh we will Arlene, we definitely will!</description>
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		<title>By: Arlene Forbes</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15982</link>
		<dc:creator>Arlene Forbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mizzo.  I appreciate this venue for expressing our views.  My man and I are keeping an eye on the DNC happenings too.  These cable news stations are totally f...cked up! Just an FYI C-Span carried the event without all those talking heads spouting off what they think stupid americans want to hear. 

So here goes the favorite flavor of the day since Big O stepped into the race, literally, race, right up to last night from the talking head trippers--- " working class americans just don't know him that well yet." Translation:  When you turn white, drive a pick up and bring me a six pack, I'll know you, and then I'll vote for ya.  I lived in Toronto, Ontario Canada for 4 years.  That's when I got a true sense of how fu--ked up american media is.  Down right shameful.  I probably wouldn't have gotten that perspective, had I not been out of the culture for the time period that I did.

Big O finally securing that nomination yesterday opened a huge door for the good ole usa to take a leap up in Spiritual consciousness.  That's what I loved about this "Black Mustard" piece because no matter how you slice the meat, it just isn't as good unless you can "spice it up."

Keep on Scribing Brothers and Sisters!!
Arlene (Aware) Forbes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mizzo.  I appreciate this venue for expressing our views.  My man and I are keeping an eye on the DNC happenings too.  These cable news stations are totally f&#8230;cked up! Just an FYI C-Span carried the event without all those talking heads spouting off what they think stupid americans want to hear. </p>
<p>So here goes the favorite flavor of the day since Big O stepped into the race, literally, race, right up to last night from the talking head trippers&#8212; &#8221; working class americans just don&#8217;t know him that well yet.&#8221; Translation:  When you turn white, drive a pick up and bring me a six pack, I&#8217;ll know you, and then I&#8217;ll vote for ya.  I lived in Toronto, Ontario Canada for 4 years.  That&#8217;s when I got a true sense of how fu&#8211;ked up american media is.  Down right shameful.  I probably wouldn&#8217;t have gotten that perspective, had I not been out of the culture for the time period that I did.</p>
<p>Big O finally securing that nomination yesterday opened a huge door for the good ole usa to take a leap up in Spiritual consciousness.  That&#8217;s what I loved about this &#8220;Black Mustard&#8221; piece because no matter how you slice the meat, it just isn&#8217;t as good unless you can &#8220;spice it up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Keep on Scribing Brothers and Sisters!!<br />
Arlene (Aware) Forbes</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15976</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Damn Arlene. Barkley rocks your hot dog bun? LMAO 

That cracked me up. You fit in nice on TSF. Welcome.

Your are also welcome for the piece. Just thought it should be documented for time as others have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Damn Arlene. Barkley rocks your hot dog bun? LMAO </p>
<p>That cracked me up. You fit in nice on TSF. Welcome.</p>
<p>Your are also welcome for the piece. Just thought it should be documented for time as others have.</p>
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		<title>By: thebrotherreport</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15975</link>
		<dc:creator>thebrotherreport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Arlene Forbes</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15974</link>
		<dc:creator>Arlene Forbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black Mustard!!  I love it!  Thanks for the piece.  Barkley rocks my hotdog bun!!!!!  Just wanted to comment on Usain "Lightening" Bolt's victory dances after his world record shattering wins in the 100 and 200 meter sprints.  Stupendous!!!and IOC president Jacques Rogge 's comment:  That's not the way we perceive being a champion."  can kiss my black mustard ass!  If you can't take the Black Mustard, stay out of the condiment aisles!

BLACK MUSTARD, POUR IT ON!!

ARLENE (AWARE) FORBES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Mustard!!  I love it!  Thanks for the piece.  Barkley rocks my hotdog bun!!!!!  Just wanted to comment on Usain &#8220;Lightening&#8221; Bolt&#8217;s victory dances after his world record shattering wins in the 100 and 200 meter sprints.  Stupendous!!!and IOC president Jacques Rogge &#8217;s comment:  That&#8217;s not the way we perceive being a champion.&#8221;  can kiss my black mustard ass!  If you can&#8217;t take the Black Mustard, stay out of the condiment aisles!</p>
<p>BLACK MUSTARD, POUR IT ON!!</p>
<p>ARLENE (AWARE) FORBES</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15963</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big words. Thanks for them. We have to document our history from our perspective or become graveyard dust...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big words. Thanks for them. We have to document our history from our perspective or become graveyard dust&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gyangstah</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15958</link>
		<dc:creator>Gyangstah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizzo, you've outdone yourself once again.  This article is spot on.

I was teary-eyed, just watching the links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizzo, you&#8217;ve outdone yourself once again.  This article is spot on.</p>
<p>I was teary-eyed, just watching the links.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15953</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, bruh.  This is worthy of bright lights in the archive.  It's all love.  The Kemp link and interview on SLAM is priceless.  He's the man.  The Barkley link (10 minutes, damn!) was also really real.  Lots to love here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, bruh.  This is worthy of bright lights in the archive.  It&#8217;s all love.  The Kemp link and interview on SLAM is priceless.  He&#8217;s the man.  The Barkley link (10 minutes, damn!) was also really real.  Lots to love here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15951</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess by now you know I wrote this with you in mind brothaman. 

This isn't just about sports, but as you know I've been following the DNC extensively for historical reasons and I just wanted to post something sports related.

The cool ethos you allude to was most definitely implied but in a sense muted because Black Mustard catches all the wreck.

People gotta hold their skin with both hands and shit before it crawls away because &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf4H3OR-7IE" rel="nofollow"&gt;Black Mustard &lt;/a&gt;puts it down every day all day.

Thanks for the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess by now you know I wrote this with you in mind brothaman. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t just about sports, but as you know I&#8217;ve been following the DNC extensively for historical reasons and I just wanted to post something sports related.</p>
<p>The cool ethos you allude to was most definitely implied but in a sense muted because Black Mustard catches all the wreck.</p>
<p>People gotta hold their skin with both hands and shit before it crawls away because <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf4H3OR-7IE" rel="nofollow">Black Mustard </a>puts it down every day all day.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15950</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are Blacks still niggers no matter what they do athletically (because athletics is the context here or is it)?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.  Of course.  The appellation will stick until we restore ourselves culturally, militarily, and economically.  That's as it should be.  There was a time when the Romans thought the wisest people on planet earth were Africans who lived near the Equator and believed the "English" (such as they were at the time) were actually too stupid to be good slaves.  

With the help of a good solid ass-kicking by the Norman French in 1066, and the introduction of Old School science, the British got lucky and carved out a new path for themselves.  Now, even though they put out stupid shit like Benny Hill and have millions of people who speak with unintelligible cockney accents, AND have libraries and museums stuffed with stolen goods from Africa and Asia, no one thinks they're too stupid to make good slaves.  

Not even the Italians...and they should know better.  Get some love of self, an advanced engineering degree, some financial discipline, a bunch of ruthlessness and call me in the morning.  If you don't wanna be a 'nigga,' don't be a nigga, but the world doesn't care about what we want.  The world cares about what we can show and prove, about what we can claim and keep...nothing more, nothing less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are Blacks still niggers no matter what they do athletically (because athletics is the context here or is it)?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.  Of course.  The appellation will stick until we restore ourselves culturally, militarily, and economically.  That&#8217;s as it should be.  There was a time when the Romans thought the wisest people on planet earth were Africans who lived near the Equator and believed the &#8220;English&#8221; (such as they were at the time) were actually too stupid to be good slaves.  </p>
<p>With the help of a good solid ass-kicking by the Norman French in 1066, and the introduction of Old School science, the British got lucky and carved out a new path for themselves.  Now, even though they put out stupid shit like Benny Hill and have millions of people who speak with unintelligible cockney accents, AND have libraries and museums stuffed with stolen goods from Africa and Asia, no one thinks they&#8217;re too stupid to make good slaves.  </p>
<p>Not even the Italians&#8230;and they should know better.  Get some love of self, an advanced engineering degree, some financial discipline, a bunch of ruthlessness and call me in the morning.  If you don&#8217;t wanna be a &#8216;nigga,&#8217; don&#8217;t be a nigga, but the world doesn&#8217;t care about what we want.  The world cares about what we can show and prove, about what we can claim and keep&#8230;nothing more, nothing less.</p>
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		<title>By: awb</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15945</link>
		<dc:creator>awb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Johnson was one of the ballsiest motherf*ckers to walk the planet in my opinion.  Flossin' and runnin' white girls like he was back then?  A friend of mine saw "Unforgivable Blackness" and he couldn't believe that white folks heads didn't spontaneously explode at the things he said and did.  Thats why the didn't allow another black champ until Joe Louis who was coached to follow the script.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Johnson was one of the ballsiest motherf*ckers to walk the planet in my opinion.  Flossin&#8217; and runnin&#8217; white girls like he was back then?  A friend of mine saw &#8220;Unforgivable Blackness&#8221; and he couldn&#8217;t believe that white folks heads didn&#8217;t spontaneously explode at the things he said and did.  Thats why the didn&#8217;t allow another black champ until Joe Louis who was coached to follow the script.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Man</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15943</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That quote from the LA Times is so off the chain.</description>
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		<title>By: Big Man</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/08/27/black-mustard-a-commentary-on-why-some-black-athletes-celebrate/#comment-15942</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep</description>
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