from what I understand, the Russians, short of these smart weapons themselves, warned the west that it these were used by the Georgains against their troops, they would retaliate with tactcial nuclear weapons in Georgia..and no doubt the west reined-in the Georgians.

all over the planet there is the threat of use, and actual use of this insane technological advance in weaponry, including cluster bombs all over the place.

currently injury from any hand gun, the power of which has been vastly increased, means severe bodily harm to any unlucky to get shot.

yet thse guns in tandem with the spread of the crack epidemic has spread globally, taking vicious toll on ordinary people the world over, in related gang violence..literally shutting down social activity in countires..one from which I come for example.

we see currently the utter greed and irrsponsibility of the financial sector that dominates western life, who have deliberatly organised the most god-awful robbery of the ordinary people of the world actually….the completing act of which has been the take over the economy by the american government/governments all over…which actually is saddling the people and generations of them to come in effort to validate and make safe the theft… effort to ensure the plundered riches stay in the hands of the thieves

every western govenrment and political party is complicit in this massive, global robbery. they are all criminally complicit in this crime…every leader and president and prime minister..every opposition party , the entire status quo.

and where do we go from here now…. for if there is no social revolution to change this sitaution in the ineterest of the people….does it not devolve into some crazy enslavement scheme of the people by the elites if they get away with this..shutting down the people in fear of eventual revolution?

it is the very same status quo we are asked to trust with these giant reseach projects and scientific movement in total.

it is the very same people who have reputedly taken the results of the massive Genome project, to build up genetic weapons for potential attack on the various peoples of the world.

there are now reportedly attack weapons in western armories, tailored to the specific ethnic qualities and signatures of the various ethnic groups of the human species.

thats right! we are asked now to be comfortable with, be gung ho! even in support of the collider thing about which the spin is already lies, full of Big Bang terminology which any sane and knowlegeable person must realise is misdirection.

but misdirection for what purpose save to hide the dangers the project poses to the p[eople of the world

we can be absolutely confident that if there is no planertary danger from the experiment itself, the results are bound to be weaoponised first…before it finds any positvie use in benefit to the ordianry people of the world..if the results every find any such benefit , as long as this current staus quo remains in place.

chances are the human species faces the double danger of the project actually being deleterious to planet, aas well as the weaponisation danger, regardless of what i call the idiot confidence displayed by WillUK and the other fellow who called me a lunatic.

I have heard that type of ‘confidence’ before, in discription of the disasters the previous ‘condifence’ covered up.

there was Al Gore recently with his global warming business.

From such as Gore that had to be some sort of scam that is has actually been revealed as already. he himself has investments in projects emananting from the very scare he mongered.

it does appear that there is a climate probem, very real and of major concern to humanity. but it is clearly not what Al gore raised. and of that i was so certain from the start that i outlined it to some friends of mine, who are now fully aware of what I meant, in the revelation that it may be climate change indeed but certainly not what Al gore chatted about.

to back myself up I cited the Green Revolution for eg., the Alliance for Progress, Monetarism, Thalidominde, Aids as related to vaccination programs in Africa…. across the spectrum of attack the same spin and propagdndistic methodology

the list is endless really, of the atrocites conceived of and fleshed out by this murderous status quo in the world..and actually carried out on the people of the planet.

and I am now asked to be happy about this Collider business?

look NL..WiilUk! be serious will allya! I would have to be nuts not to be concerned about this project. it simply does not have a good provenance.

and all this nonsense about european science and its contribution to the world, moving the species forward and all that crap….would the human species not have advanced scientifically without the rise and expansion of western Asia…the so called europe?

and at this current moment of european corporate monopoly..isnt that very fact of monopoly the single greatest check on human technological advance…social advance generally?

if at the beginning capitalism was a spur and incentive to technoligcal advance what is it now at the death of capitalism if not a fetter on advance as it is clear?

monpoly shuts down expansion in order to maintain concentration of all in the world in the few hands this has setteled into at the moment. does it not follow that if humanity canot make use of the full stage we have arrived at, exhaust it, and so make way for more, clear the decks so we may move on and forward, we will stagnate… as were in stagnation now?

what about ‘grow, expand or die?’

and how do we clear the decks if we do not cater to the needs of the planet, of all the people…or the people of the world in their various national/cultural contiguities, are free do so, to cater in the needs of all their people, on an on-gong and developing basis?

and would not the resulting systems of democracy, to facilitate such inclusion allow for a massive and comprehensive focus on scientifc reseach and technological elongat, that would dwarf what currently obtains….and be done very safely, for the mad minority, with scarcely a human concern, would be long gone, and there would be no need at all to jeopardse humanity’s chances in search of advantage in weaponry?

I dont understand some of you at all.

it is as if as soon as one presents an alternative perspective that may challenge established ideas, they become lunatic, anti semitic, racist etc.

to hell with that.

this is what i think and I am prepared to look at it constantly with the view of updating myself as i go.

I have no use for castigating anyone….always looking for new valid ideas and information….and try not to do it myself, even if I find NL and WillUk to be very funny indeed

You two are having your own debate that’s why we are staying out of it.

Be Peace.

and am I anti-sciene by expressing the reservations i have about minority control of scientific reaserch, experimentation and the results of these?

and blac people are the those who are most threatened by this very minority controlled or elitist science arent they…or rather arent we?

and most of you here..if not all…are African American arent you…and not one concerned or cautious voice in all this?

WillUk is sweet! and whats his name claim I was the only source of comedy here.

He hasnt seen Wills’ contribution yet perhaps!

phew! I must remember to post..if I post again…when I am up and on the ball.

poorly written as that post is I did make somes things clear about my take on this issue I believe.

those who paid for this and any project owns it and the results of it.

we dont know the real reason behind the project in the first place…cannot trust what we have been told is actually the truth.

we do know the results of science so far has benefitted the rich minority in the world…and here is no reason at all to believe the results of this ‘collider’ project will be any different.

anything at all that may give the current power in the world further advantage I am loathe with, suspicious of.

thats all! I look at everything from such an angle, assess everything in this way.

I have no rose-tinted glasses for science as an end in itself. it is not!

I simply saw the article in my travels in search of good sports reportage and political commentary.

I commented..at bad times for me… when I could hardly be at my best..

my approcah to anything elitist is wariness, suspicion, alertness….

…starting 5 however, is an excellent if utterly chauvinistic…actually elitist… publication.

no matter I enjoy passing-by every now and then.

I will resume that trajectory relative to TS5!

the end of the empire should lead to revolutions all over the planet, result in people centred democracies, that can in peace, go about their national business and self interests..driven by the peadeful needs of all their people..not just one elite section of them

and even if a totally revolutionary world does not immedialey result, so what! as long as nations whatever their political stripe can exist inviolate, we will have a different world…without the rule of capiltalist expansion that makes for constant war, plunder, piracy and mass murder.

for humanity to be safe from itself, systems of democray must emerge with peaceful relations between nations based on the people’s interest as a whole… with no minority part of them dominating the whole shebang.

only then will all that humanity does become peaceful and conducted in the interest of answering the question…the real question of humanity: How does, or how can humanity survive indefinetly in an evolutionary universe!

stop the damm collider! stop it until such time as as experiments of the kind, which must be carried out …can be done with the species in mind…not just one minority section of it

is there a problem with this?

just look at the idiotic amrican stand-off with Russian at the moment, drawing in the western europeans into actions clearly against their own best interests, and which some of them particularly… the Italians do not appear to like and are not interested in, in the least.

but they all appear to bend to American power..for a little while yet at least

there is little that happens of this kind that happens in the western sphere of incluence, is not american dominated, and its purpose set accodingly.

I mean even the leader of this project is an american. what does that tell us?

you must remember too, that this project has an awful provenance.

there was a similar mashalling of scientifc expertise back in the 1940′s called the Manhattan project.

then there was the thalydomide havoc, and all manner of scientific attack on the people of America and the world, between then and now.

I mean the Jewish people..who in my estimation must be deeply involved in this ‘collider’ project….for eg are reputed to have used many hundereds of Sephardic kids for terrible radiation experiments. they were reportedly sent to america for this purpose.

and this is only one reported horrible Jewish action in their region of the world, and elsewhere by proxy. and of course when you say American you might as well say Jewish.

there has been development of an AIDS project..to seed the world wih AIDs appears also to be he result of a marshallng of scientifc forces for evil end.

hen again if one lists all 3 or 4 horrible deseases that have hit the world over the past 30 years…every one is reputed to have emanated from some american-western laboratory.

it is said often these days that there are too many people for the system and monoployc capitalism wihses to wipe away at least half of the current worlds population.

when this is said..oir was said in my presence… it always was with eye, ear and brains, cocked towards america….as the major potential actor in such a development… as the power tool of the minority elite that owns the wealth of the west…and seeks to own the enitre planet.

if you are so keen you can get into it…see for yourself. but I am certain you all this already.

then again I take the stated “big Bang’ discription of and reference to the project to be propaganda. most by now know the Big Bang is nonsense, so that is just for popular consumption.

this experiment like all such that emanates from the west will have an evil imprint and potetntial for humanity, as long as the america-the west remains polarized as it is…all the wealth and power concentrated in few hands..and who would pay for and control such a projet as this..if not concieve of it in the first place

this ‘collider’ project is bound to be aimed at weapons creation and the aquiring of other massive power that could give America-the west advantage in the world.

it was right to try to stop it first on scientific grounds given the historical experienc the world has had with western scienc.

then it was necesary to go further on the basis of the most certain weaponsation of the results of these experiments..if we dont kill-off ourselves…that if successful would likely give the west military advantage will result in human reduction and enslavement

the spread of amerianism and he end of the world saems the same to me.

is there a doubt with the project…and does the doubt concer serious consequences that may not be reversable…correctable?

as I said if that is the case why take the risk?

messing with the food seems the same. the modification of food opens up a box of dangers they have referred to as pandora’s

nd there appears to be a slew of threatening experiment on the drawing boards.

there is the principle right there. danger? do it anyway! cowbwoy, mpotiomn picture stuff.

you all gave that to the world. we have suffered mightily with it. I see it in growing confrontstion with Russia at the moment…the same reckless guh ho! atitude that affects the scientists as well.

thats the attitude the underpins all that is american. it is reckless, woiht care and simple common sense.

common sense says if there is an unacceptable risk, do not take the chance.

its like beting on horses! if the bet is not worth taking then. dont! greater experience and imporved skills makes possible tomorrow what is not possible currently

so dont take the damm unnecessary risk!

whats off topic? if you cannot make the necessary connections thats your problem. its not a problem for me

you are a lunatic and way off topic. Is your concern the spread of “americanism” or the end of the world. As an American myself, I still share your sentiments on the ethnocentrism of many of my fellow citizens. However, your cowboy analogy is as almost as far off base as your belief that the conflicts in the middle east having relevancy in this conversation. While I am sure there is a WMD connection here somewhere, we are talking about a WORLD-WIDE physics community that is behind this. Only a few doomsayers campaign your line of thinking and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were led astray by some scientologist faction paying homage to Tom Cruise. Wouldn’t that be ironic?!

Science is not the issue, government and most often the blending of church and state is the far greater concern. 64 years on this earth and you haven’t figured that out?!

when was the last time the word of a simple family doctor could be taken seriously.,,far less these ego maniac big-wigs.

do you believe GM experts and their justification for the modification of food plants and farm animals?

as far as I see all opinion in science as in all things western is calculated on and dominated by some financial consideration…..polarised around money/class interests-. this attitude is engrained in society, embedded….and all are now born so conditioned at all social levels.

if the scienists are honest is a pretty skimpy premise on which
to base such gung ho support for a dangerous experiment

I bet no one comments on my post! a newbie you all will see that I am a scientific novice and ignoramus…which I am!

But the way of the world is clear and the dominant power is a socially eggregious thing. nothing that is done in their name can be trusted from the point of the peoples interest.

this experiment is straight out of the heart of power. who funded it and who owns it and the results of it?

this experiment and its potential appears to me to be the mother of all social dangers.

Go on, Doc, because I bend my knee to your knowledge.

this issue is like debate over carcinogens pouring into the environment to which minimum levels of exposure are established, that have no positive meaning.

the carcinogens will cause the epidemic of cancer that occurs in the world.

again, its like debates on whether or not to put something into play that may or may not cause cancer.

cancer is almost always fatal so why take the risk? use something else, until you can make the doubtful article safe.

if an experiment may take the world with it why make the experiment?

this is simple common sense that is absent from what I see emmanating from america and americans all the time…from this debate right here on starting 5.

certainly as we go along and more information comes to light about our world, from safe experiments, we would be able in time to carry out experiments that are now very suspect with safety.

so why not wait?

but I hear the american reckless spirit loud and clear here in support of the foolishenss.

if there is doubt about the experiment and the results can eliminate the planet why take the chance at all? why must the safety of all the world come down to the arguments of differing groups of scientists from a small group of countries?

as a kid growing up in my country I was hepped up on americans and americanisms…and I thought you guys were the last word.

now I am afraid of the very thing I that excited me then, for the danger in amercian intelletual organisation is clear.

it is all a bunch of pointless ego-tripping foolishness, cowboy recklessness, idiocy actually…dangeorus activity that serves no useful purpose…in fact will be uterly dangerous to the species even if we dont destroy the world with the actual experiment.

it is a certainty that anything discovered that may be used at this time will be weaponised first, before any other use is made of it.

if that is the case we can expect futuristic weapons that will eliminate the balance of terror in the world, that keeps us all safe from wholesale mass murder of ordinary people everywhere by america.

and this new weaponry will be turned against ordinary americans as well, without a doubt, as your freedoms have already been curtailed in the looming american police state.

all the chat here on this issue seems quite ignorant indeed, devoid of any sense of proper analysis of world history and experience..or your own experienc as americans living in the world

at this very moment your country is engaged in the murder of milions of people in the arab world. if america had weapons that neutralised the Chinese and Russians imagine what would take place on planet earth?

Immediately Iran would be vaporised, probaly Afghanistan and Syria.

and the blac people of the world? ashes.

is this this what yu guys yearn for?

I am very happy I am approaching my sixty-fourth year. I have lived a bit. I am concerned for my children..for all the children.

but what hope is there fwith an insanely led and rampaging amercia, conditioned by generations of movies to think in the abstrack about the world in daredevil and reckless ways with everything..everything totally.

what I see here for the most part if pure foolishness, but most of you dont know any better given the way you have been brought up.

but the world must face the consequences of what was wrought on the american continent for almosy 400 years now.

man! what a situation!