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	<title>Comments on: Ron Glover&#8217;s NFL Power Rankings: Week 8</title>
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		<title>By: Dajon</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18697</link>
		<dc:creator>Dajon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, stop all this bullshit about the poor mistreated Kellen Winslow.  KW should show some loyalty to the Browns organization considering that he has fucked them over in the past.  He willfully defied the conditions of his contract that forbade him specifically from riding motorcycles.  Then the idiot goes and tears his ACL in a motorcycle accident.  Nice job Kellen.  The Browns had every right to recoup some of their financial losses, but they were gracious enough not to pursue it.  THEY showed him some organizational loyalty.  In Kellen&#039;s mind that favor is not worthy of being returned, and he trashes the Browns to the media.  He&#039;s a complete hypocrite who should just shut his trap, even if the staph infection situation has been handled poorly.  Other players have a right to complain about it openly, but not Winslow.  He has forfeited that right.  If he had a major problem with it then he should&#039;ve dealt with it in house instead of crying to journalists about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, stop all this bullshit about the poor mistreated Kellen Winslow.  KW should show some loyalty to the Browns organization considering that he has fucked them over in the past.  He willfully defied the conditions of his contract that forbade him specifically from riding motorcycles.  Then the idiot goes and tears his ACL in a motorcycle accident.  Nice job Kellen.  The Browns had every right to recoup some of their financial losses, but they were gracious enough not to pursue it.  THEY showed him some organizational loyalty.  In Kellen&#8217;s mind that favor is not worthy of being returned, and he trashes the Browns to the media.  He&#8217;s a complete hypocrite who should just shut his trap, even if the staph infection situation has been handled poorly.  Other players have a right to complain about it openly, but not Winslow.  He has forfeited that right.  If he had a major problem with it then he should&#8217;ve dealt with it in house instead of crying to journalists about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18695</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick - I agree.  Very thoughtful.  If you&#039;re digging up Eric Holder-Billy Martin connections, I know you&#039;re Friday Fire is on FULL BLAST!!!!

Thanks for that perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick &#8211; I agree.  Very thoughtful.  If you&#8217;re digging up Eric Holder-Billy Martin connections, I know you&#8217;re Friday Fire is on FULL BLAST!!!!</p>
<p>Thanks for that perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Daniels</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18681</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points Temple and Patrick, I think Vick will be suspended for 8 games and then maybe go to Detroit or Seattle or St. Louis and Dallas has to win this Sunday against my Bucs because like the Colts their season is on the line. The Boys can&#039;t afford to lose to the Bucs, Giants and Skins and end up 4-6 with six to play so I think they will beat my Bucs because it&#039;s a playoff game in week 8 unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Temple and Patrick, I think Vick will be suspended for 8 games and then maybe go to Detroit or Seattle or St. Louis and Dallas has to win this Sunday against my Bucs because like the Colts their season is on the line. The Boys can&#8217;t afford to lose to the Bucs, Giants and Skins and end up 4-6 with six to play so I think they will beat my Bucs because it&#8217;s a playoff game in week 8 unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: origin</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18678</link>
		<dc:creator>origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I believe the media has a bigger problem with Vick because the mainstream media criticized Vick for his style of play and had contempt because he was beating the likes of Favre in Green Bay and challenging the other so called traditional pocket passers.

It never really was about dogs, but just keeping VICK out of the game and restricting players like him (i.e. Vince Young) and FUTURE players (i.e Terelle Pryor, Robert Griffin, etc.) and other dual threat QBs from challenging the likes of Manning, Palmer and others…&quot;

Brotha Patrick I couldn&#039;t agree more on this part.

Well we shall see...........but white america takes their dogs serious. 

Oh well I can&#039;t wait to see how it plays out brotha.

Same with those young kats Terelle Pryor and Robert Griffin I will have to pray for those brothas cause they are gonna make every excuse not to draft these kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I believe the media has a bigger problem with Vick because the mainstream media criticized Vick for his style of play and had contempt because he was beating the likes of Favre in Green Bay and challenging the other so called traditional pocket passers.</p>
<p>It never really was about dogs, but just keeping VICK out of the game and restricting players like him (i.e. Vince Young) and FUTURE players (i.e Terelle Pryor, Robert Griffin, etc.) and other dual threat QBs from challenging the likes of Manning, Palmer and others…&#8221;</p>
<p>Brotha Patrick I couldn&#8217;t agree more on this part.</p>
<p>Well we shall see&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..but white america takes their dogs serious. </p>
<p>Oh well I can&#8217;t wait to see how it plays out brotha.</p>
<p>Same with those young kats Terelle Pryor and Robert Griffin I will have to pray for those brothas cause they are gonna make every excuse not to draft these kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18677</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....&quot;I may be wrong brothas but I just can’t see white america as a whole ever giving Vick a fair chance....&quot;

If Obama can win the White House, Vick can get back into the NFL and resume his career and have success...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.&#8221;I may be wrong brothas but I just can’t see white america as a whole ever giving Vick a fair chance&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>If Obama can win the White House, Vick can get back into the NFL and resume his career and have success&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18676</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.&quot;..But I still stand by what I said last year that the league will blackball Vick...&quot;

origin, it is a possibility that he could be BLACKBALLED or some type of collusion could go into efffect, but with Vick being a first-time offender, I just don&#039;t see Goddell taking it to that extreme. As long as Ray Lewis, Leonard Little are able to actively make a living, why wouldn&#039;t Vick be afforded a shot to resume his career.

Vick isn&#039;t Chris Henry, Lawrence Phillips, Rae Curruth or even Pac-Man Jones. I don&#039;t recall vick ever getting into legal trouble in high school, Virginia Tech or the first five years with the Falcons.

Vick got mixed up in a bad situation with unsavory characters that included his own family, but when he finishes paying his debt to society, I doubt very seriously he will be anywhere near trouble again and will choose his friends more carefully.

If Goddell tries to block Vick, I think Vick would take the NFL to court... Vick is only 28 and is in the prime of his career. One of the architect&#039;s of Goddell revised conduct policy is Eric Holder (former Attorney General under Clinton) who is a friend of Billy Martin..

I believe the media has a bigger problem with Vick because the mainstream media criticized Vick for his style of play and had contempt because he was beating the likes of Favre in Green Bay and challenging the other so called traditional pocket passers.

It never really was about dogs, but just keeping VICK out of the game and restricting players like him (i.e. Vince Young) and FUTURE players (i.e Terelle Pryor, Robert Griffin, etc.) and other dual threat QBs from challenging the likes of Manning, Palmer and others...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.&#8221;..But I still stand by what I said last year that the league will blackball Vick&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>origin, it is a possibility that he could be BLACKBALLED or some type of collusion could go into efffect, but with Vick being a first-time offender, I just don&#8217;t see Goddell taking it to that extreme. As long as Ray Lewis, Leonard Little are able to actively make a living, why wouldn&#8217;t Vick be afforded a shot to resume his career.</p>
<p>Vick isn&#8217;t Chris Henry, Lawrence Phillips, Rae Curruth or even Pac-Man Jones. I don&#8217;t recall vick ever getting into legal trouble in high school, Virginia Tech or the first five years with the Falcons.</p>
<p>Vick got mixed up in a bad situation with unsavory characters that included his own family, but when he finishes paying his debt to society, I doubt very seriously he will be anywhere near trouble again and will choose his friends more carefully.</p>
<p>If Goddell tries to block Vick, I think Vick would take the NFL to court&#8230; Vick is only 28 and is in the prime of his career. One of the architect&#8217;s of Goddell revised conduct policy is Eric Holder (former Attorney General under Clinton) who is a friend of Billy Martin..</p>
<p>I believe the media has a bigger problem with Vick because the mainstream media criticized Vick for his style of play and had contempt because he was beating the likes of Favre in Green Bay and challenging the other so called traditional pocket passers.</p>
<p>It never really was about dogs, but just keeping VICK out of the game and restricting players like him (i.e. Vince Young) and FUTURE players (i.e Terelle Pryor, Robert Griffin, etc.) and other dual threat QBs from challenging the likes of Manning, Palmer and others&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: origin</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18675</link>
		<dc:creator>origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If he goes to Oakland, it won’t be as a QB.&quot;

I see him as a QB there. But as a back up, I just don&#039;t think america is ready for him to start on any football team let alone at QB. ATL would be a perfect fit because of the large blk population, but thats not gonna happen.

I don&#039;t know Patrick and Temple. I think the brotha will be in Cubans start up football league. 

Good ole boy Goodell has a trick up his sleeve. I can see him even suspending Vick after his jail sentence. 

I may be wrong brothas but I just can&#039;t see white america as a whole ever giving Vick a fair chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If he goes to Oakland, it won’t be as a QB.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see him as a QB there. But as a back up, I just don&#8217;t think america is ready for him to start on any football team let alone at QB. ATL would be a perfect fit because of the large blk population, but thats not gonna happen.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Patrick and Temple. I think the brotha will be in Cubans start up football league. </p>
<p>Good ole boy Goodell has a trick up his sleeve. I can see him even suspending Vick after his jail sentence. </p>
<p>I may be wrong brothas but I just can&#8217;t see white america as a whole ever giving Vick a fair chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18674</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>****Oh, by the way, what do you envision happening to Matt Hasselbeck next year? Leaving to SF with coach? Getting hit by a bus? If he stays in Seattle, he’s going to be the guy. I don’t like him at all, but he’s not going to get moved out by a less accurate passer — even if it is Vick because MV7 will NOT be the same crowd draw in Seattle as he was in ATL…especially post-Leavenworth*****

I think Hasselback, who will be 34 next year, will leave with his coach-- whether it be San Fran or Cleveland or maybe Minnesota. It is a little bit of a coincidence that Hasselback has missed considerable time this year, but Hasselback&#039;s best days are behind him. And Mora who will be the new coach would want someone he is familar with... and I believe the same thing applies with Hasselback.

San Fran had been a popular suggestion, but if Minny loses (I hate it for Tarvaris up there) and if Cleveland loses ( I hate it for Crennel), then Hasselback could ease into one of those up in the air QB situations in 2009-- if he is healthy...

Winning changes things--even in Seattle. Seattle has already lost the Sonics basketball team and the Mariners are limbo...

However, Temple, I concede Atlanta is a different atmosphere than Seattle...however both cities are progressive in their own way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>****Oh, by the way, what do you envision happening to Matt Hasselbeck next year? Leaving to SF with coach? Getting hit by a bus? If he stays in Seattle, he’s going to be the guy. I don’t like him at all, but he’s not going to get moved out by a less accurate passer — even if it is Vick because MV7 will NOT be the same crowd draw in Seattle as he was in ATL…especially post-Leavenworth*****</p>
<p>I think Hasselback, who will be 34 next year, will leave with his coach&#8211; whether it be San Fran or Cleveland or maybe Minnesota. It is a little bit of a coincidence that Hasselback has missed considerable time this year, but Hasselback&#8217;s best days are behind him. And Mora who will be the new coach would want someone he is familar with&#8230; and I believe the same thing applies with Hasselback.</p>
<p>San Fran had been a popular suggestion, but if Minny loses (I hate it for Tarvaris up there) and if Cleveland loses ( I hate it for Crennel), then Hasselback could ease into one of those up in the air QB situations in 2009&#8211; if he is healthy&#8230;</p>
<p>Winning changes things&#8211;even in Seattle. Seattle has already lost the Sonics basketball team and the Mariners are limbo&#8230;</p>
<p>However, Temple, I concede Atlanta is a different atmosphere than Seattle&#8230;however both cities are progressive in their own way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18673</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he goes to Oakland, it won&#039;t be as a QB.  

In the AFC, the only teams that might be in the market for him (strictly as a player) would be the Jets, Dolphins, and Chiefs.  Every other team is fairly set at the position.  Even the Jets, arguably, would rather hope that the Kellen Clemens Osmosis Project works out while Brett has the keys to the castle.  

In the NFC, I&#039;d say the Vikings, Rams and Niners would be the only options -- with San Francisco being the weakest.  Vick on turf in Minnesota or St. Louis would probably return to form pretty quickly.  Given who these teams have right now, it&#039;s an option.  I&#039;m not sure that the Vikings are done with Tavaris.  They seemed to be awfully high on him...if they brought in Vick to compete with Frerotte and Jackson, that would say a great deal.  The Rams have to be wondering what&#039;s going on with Bulger.  

Who knows how this will play out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he goes to Oakland, it won&#8217;t be as a QB.  </p>
<p>In the AFC, the only teams that might be in the market for him (strictly as a player) would be the Jets, Dolphins, and Chiefs.  Every other team is fairly set at the position.  Even the Jets, arguably, would rather hope that the Kellen Clemens Osmosis Project works out while Brett has the keys to the castle.  </p>
<p>In the NFC, I&#8217;d say the Vikings, Rams and Niners would be the only options &#8212; with San Francisco being the weakest.  Vick on turf in Minnesota or St. Louis would probably return to form pretty quickly.  Given who these teams have right now, it&#8217;s an option.  I&#8217;m not sure that the Vikings are done with Tavaris.  They seemed to be awfully high on him&#8230;if they brought in Vick to compete with Frerotte and Jackson, that would say a great deal.  The Rams have to be wondering what&#8217;s going on with Bulger.  </p>
<p>Who knows how this will play out.</p>
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		<title>By: origin</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18672</link>
		<dc:creator>origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you Patrick and temple. But there is no way that I see Vick going to any of those teams. Maybe Oakland at the most.

And yes temple the Lions haven&#039;t tried to win in 40 years. Plus I don&#039;t see a blk QB getting a real shot with that team.

But I still stand by what I said last year that the league will blackball Vick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you Patrick and temple. But there is no way that I see Vick going to any of those teams. Maybe Oakland at the most.</p>
<p>And yes temple the Lions haven&#8217;t tried to win in 40 years. Plus I don&#8217;t see a blk QB getting a real shot with that team.</p>
<p>But I still stand by what I said last year that the league will blackball Vick.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18671</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay Patrick.  I&#039;m going to make this easy.  Vick is not going to the Lions.  The Lions, as you may or may not know, are not a franchise with even a passing interest in actually winning football games.  In fact, they only drafted Barry Sanders because it couldn&#039;t have been any other way.  He&#039;s the only player that separates them from uninterrupted decades of futility.  Winslow ain&#039;t going there either - he knows better OR at least his daddy does.

Baltimore is an option, though I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a very likely option.  I like Troy Smith and Flacco.  I don&#039;t see a franchise that has recently drafted a QB and allowed him to play extensively looking too long at Vick -- unless it&#039;s KC (as you mentioned).  

Oh, by the way, what do you envision happening to Matt Hasselbeck next year?  Leaving to SF with coach?  Getting hit by a bus?  If he stays in Seattle, he&#039;s going to be the guy.  I don&#039;t like him at all, but he&#039;s not going to get moved out by a less accurate passer -- even if it is Vick because MV7 will NOT be the same crowd draw in Seattle as he was in ATL...especially post-Leavenworth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay Patrick.  I&#8217;m going to make this easy.  Vick is not going to the Lions.  The Lions, as you may or may not know, are not a franchise with even a passing interest in actually winning football games.  In fact, they only drafted Barry Sanders because it couldn&#8217;t have been any other way.  He&#8217;s the only player that separates them from uninterrupted decades of futility.  Winslow ain&#8217;t going there either &#8211; he knows better OR at least his daddy does.</p>
<p>Baltimore is an option, though I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a very likely option.  I like Troy Smith and Flacco.  I don&#8217;t see a franchise that has recently drafted a QB and allowed him to play extensively looking too long at Vick &#8212; unless it&#8217;s KC (as you mentioned).  </p>
<p>Oh, by the way, what do you envision happening to Matt Hasselbeck next year?  Leaving to SF with coach?  Getting hit by a bus?  If he stays in Seattle, he&#8217;s going to be the guy.  I don&#8217;t like him at all, but he&#8217;s not going to get moved out by a less accurate passer &#8212; even if it is Vick because MV7 will NOT be the same crowd draw in Seattle as he was in ATL&#8230;especially post-Leavenworth.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18664</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Kellen Winslow on the trading block, a possible destination would be MIAMI OR DETROIT...

Can you imagine Vick having Calvin Johnson 6&#039;5/237 with 4.39 speed and Kellen Winslow 6&#039;4/ 250 as your receivers?

...or in Miami, Kellen&#039;s former college home... Ronnie, Ricky, Kellen and Vick... THAT WOULD DEVASTATING!!! It would rival Marino-Duper-Clayton from twenty plus years ago..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Kellen Winslow on the trading block, a possible destination would be MIAMI OR DETROIT&#8230;</p>
<p>Can you imagine Vick having Calvin Johnson 6&#8217;5/237 with 4.39 speed and Kellen Winslow 6&#8217;4/ 250 as your receivers?</p>
<p>&#8230;or in Miami, Kellen&#8217;s former college home&#8230; Ronnie, Ricky, Kellen and Vick&#8230; THAT WOULD DEVASTATING!!! It would rival Marino-Duper-Clayton from twenty plus years ago..</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18663</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a couple of teams that may give Vick a shot:

1. Seattle-- With Holmgren pending departure and precipitous decline, then combine it with former coach Jim Mora as the heir apparent (without Greg Knapp-- former T.O. punching bag). Plus, the current GM is Tim Ruskell who was with the Falcons during the early Vick years.

Vick and Seneca Wallace could be competing as #1 and #2 by next spring.

Mora wants to make a big splash, and wants to win immediately. Vick essentially made Mora a viable head coaching option when the two were paired in Atlanta... Mora doesn&#039;t have to worry about ownership stalking the sideline and Vick wouldn&#039;t have to worry about Greg Knapp being his offensive coordinator. 

2. Detroit-- This team, this city is DESPERATE. Jon Kitna&#039;s tenure is over. Kitna was more of a tease who couldn&#039;t get the Lions over the hump. The more you saw Kitna throw, the worse he got and last year&#039;s collapse after a 6-2 start shows it was time to go into a new direction. Detroit, a majority black city, would love the prospect of Vick coming to play for the Lions. And Rod Marinelli who is on  &#039;thin ice&#039; needs to WIN RIGHT NOW or is coaching career is OVER. Vick will garner a lot of attention and excitement, and that is what Marinelli needs..HOPE

Vick to Calvin Johnson FOR 6... that has a nice ring to it, doesn&#039;t it?

3. MIAMI-- This is a wild card, because Bill Parcels is definitely &#039;old school&#039;, but he WANTS TO WIN NOW... Dan Reeves was old school, but feels the pressure of being a coach in his late 60&#039;s trying to get that ONE LAST RING...(remember Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday?) And yes, a backfield of Vick-Ronnie Brown-Ricky Williams would be a devastating combination... All of them are playmakers who can break the game open and cause fear in defensive coordinators.

Plus Miami has an opportunity to gain ground in the up for grabs AFC East. With Tom Brady out for awhile, teams like Buffalo and the Jets are trying to make a move and gain stability and respect as well. New England is functional right now, but beatable-- even in 2009. And you add Vick to Miami, and it gives Bill Belicheck something he hasn&#039;t seen within the AFC East since his arrival. And when you surround Vick with talent that team would be a dangerous, formidable opponent.

Other possibilities include:

Baltimore..yeah they got Joe Flacco, but I am not convinced about him being a franchise QB and there is a strong chance Troy Smith can reclaim his starting spot especially if Flacco struggles and Ray-Ray/Terrell Suggs start calling for Troy to be their QB. However for 2009, Vick may be a dark horse candidate with Baltimore.

Kansas City....Herm is in trouble... You got some good personnel on offense with Larry Johnson, Gonzalez and Bowe, but right now have QB issues... Culpepper is rumored to come back and Quinn Gray has signed, but a Vick signing my redirect the anger of the fans for a little while and give Herm, a one year reprieve. For Herm, this is is LAST CHANCE as well and Vick could save his head coaching career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a couple of teams that may give Vick a shot:</p>
<p>1. Seattle&#8211; With Holmgren pending departure and precipitous decline, then combine it with former coach Jim Mora as the heir apparent (without Greg Knapp&#8211; former T.O. punching bag). Plus, the current GM is Tim Ruskell who was with the Falcons during the early Vick years.</p>
<p>Vick and Seneca Wallace could be competing as #1 and #2 by next spring.</p>
<p>Mora wants to make a big splash, and wants to win immediately. Vick essentially made Mora a viable head coaching option when the two were paired in Atlanta&#8230; Mora doesn&#8217;t have to worry about ownership stalking the sideline and Vick wouldn&#8217;t have to worry about Greg Knapp being his offensive coordinator. </p>
<p>2. Detroit&#8211; This team, this city is DESPERATE. Jon Kitna&#8217;s tenure is over. Kitna was more of a tease who couldn&#8217;t get the Lions over the hump. The more you saw Kitna throw, the worse he got and last year&#8217;s collapse after a 6-2 start shows it was time to go into a new direction. Detroit, a majority black city, would love the prospect of Vick coming to play for the Lions. And Rod Marinelli who is on  &#8216;thin ice&#8217; needs to WIN RIGHT NOW or is coaching career is OVER. Vick will garner a lot of attention and excitement, and that is what Marinelli needs..HOPE</p>
<p>Vick to Calvin Johnson FOR 6&#8230; that has a nice ring to it, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>3. MIAMI&#8211; This is a wild card, because Bill Parcels is definitely &#8216;old school&#8217;, but he WANTS TO WIN NOW&#8230; Dan Reeves was old school, but feels the pressure of being a coach in his late 60&#8242;s trying to get that ONE LAST RING&#8230;(remember Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday?) And yes, a backfield of Vick-Ronnie Brown-Ricky Williams would be a devastating combination&#8230; All of them are playmakers who can break the game open and cause fear in defensive coordinators.</p>
<p>Plus Miami has an opportunity to gain ground in the up for grabs AFC East. With Tom Brady out for awhile, teams like Buffalo and the Jets are trying to make a move and gain stability and respect as well. New England is functional right now, but beatable&#8211; even in 2009. And you add Vick to Miami, and it gives Bill Belicheck something he hasn&#8217;t seen within the AFC East since his arrival. And when you surround Vick with talent that team would be a dangerous, formidable opponent.</p>
<p>Other possibilities include:</p>
<p>Baltimore..yeah they got Joe Flacco, but I am not convinced about him being a franchise QB and there is a strong chance Troy Smith can reclaim his starting spot especially if Flacco struggles and Ray-Ray/Terrell Suggs start calling for Troy to be their QB. However for 2009, Vick may be a dark horse candidate with Baltimore.</p>
<p>Kansas City&#8230;.Herm is in trouble&#8230; You got some good personnel on offense with Larry Johnson, Gonzalez and Bowe, but right now have QB issues&#8230; Culpepper is rumored to come back and Quinn Gray has signed, but a Vick signing my redirect the anger of the fans for a little while and give Herm, a one year reprieve. For Herm, this is is LAST CHANCE as well and Vick could save his head coaching career.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18662</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really crazy.  

Everyone on the Browns was going to get fired before Derek Anderson caught a case of the Kitna&#039;s and started dropping bombs on the competition.  Remember that game against Cincinnati last year?  Quinn wasn&#039;t ready to go.  Frye was always a big question mark.  If Anderson didn&#039;t produce, Phil Savage would have had to explain much more than staph infections.

He would have to explain how big front line expenditures on LeCharles Bentley (staph infection), Eric Steinbach, Joe Thomas (#1 team pick), combined with Jamal Lewis and big receivers like Jurevicius (staph infection) and Edwards (staph infection) and Winslow (staph infection) have not translated into more productivity on offense.   

These calculated attacks on players are intended to deflect criticism from management.  We live in a world where idiots (like Boney over at SOMM) actually think Shockey and Olson are better tight ends than Winslow.  Winslow has arguably been the best performer on the team since 2006.  He&#039;s had two 80+ catch seasons and he moves the chains.  

Savage has a great reputation that should be taking a hit right now.  The team gambled with Romeo Crennel and the Browns may have mortgaged the development of a stronger team by keeping veterans like McGinest around.  He may be worth his weight in gold as another on-field coach, but perhaps they could have drafted a savvy, young player with a solid schematic approach from USC that runs a similar game plan.  

In either case, Derek Anderson is not the answer for Cleveland.  The Redskins proved as much last week.  Romeo Crennel had better find another solution and a tight end.  After his decision to defecate in Kellen Jr.&#039;s direction, I am sure neither KII nor his teammates missed the message.  Crennel&#039;s days are numbered unless Brady Quinn makes something happen.  If Quinn is incapable, that will be Crennel&#039;s LAST head coaching job.  He understands that it&#039;s better to crap on secondary offensive options (tight ends) than those that hire.  

They&#039;re all going down together.  Derek Anderson is pouring the cement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really crazy.  </p>
<p>Everyone on the Browns was going to get fired before Derek Anderson caught a case of the Kitna&#8217;s and started dropping bombs on the competition.  Remember that game against Cincinnati last year?  Quinn wasn&#8217;t ready to go.  Frye was always a big question mark.  If Anderson didn&#8217;t produce, Phil Savage would have had to explain much more than staph infections.</p>
<p>He would have to explain how big front line expenditures on LeCharles Bentley (staph infection), Eric Steinbach, Joe Thomas (#1 team pick), combined with Jamal Lewis and big receivers like Jurevicius (staph infection) and Edwards (staph infection) and Winslow (staph infection) have not translated into more productivity on offense.   </p>
<p>These calculated attacks on players are intended to deflect criticism from management.  We live in a world where idiots (like Boney over at SOMM) actually think Shockey and Olson are better tight ends than Winslow.  Winslow has arguably been the best performer on the team since 2006.  He&#8217;s had two 80+ catch seasons and he moves the chains.  </p>
<p>Savage has a great reputation that should be taking a hit right now.  The team gambled with Romeo Crennel and the Browns may have mortgaged the development of a stronger team by keeping veterans like McGinest around.  He may be worth his weight in gold as another on-field coach, but perhaps they could have drafted a savvy, young player with a solid schematic approach from USC that runs a similar game plan.  </p>
<p>In either case, Derek Anderson is not the answer for Cleveland.  The Redskins proved as much last week.  Romeo Crennel had better find another solution and a tight end.  After his decision to defecate in Kellen Jr.&#8217;s direction, I am sure neither KII nor his teammates missed the message.  Crennel&#8217;s days are numbered unless Brady Quinn makes something happen.  If Quinn is incapable, that will be Crennel&#8217;s LAST head coaching job.  He understands that it&#8217;s better to crap on secondary offensive options (tight ends) than those that hire.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re all going down together.  Derek Anderson is pouring the cement.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/10/22/ron-glovers-nfl-power-rankings-week-8/comment-page-1/#comment-18660</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still trying to understand how there could be 6 cases of staph infections in the Browns organization in 3 years, and yet they wanted Kellen to keep it on the down low?? That is beyond crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still trying to understand how there could be 6 cases of staph infections in the Browns organization in 3 years, and yet they wanted Kellen to keep it on the down low?? That is beyond crazy.</p>
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