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		<title>By: China man</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-21272</link>
		<dc:creator>China man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;yo...&lt;/strong&gt;

everything dynamic and very positively...</description>
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<p>everything dynamic and very positively&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Diallo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-20221</link>
		<dc:creator>Diallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; until that second game vs. Duke was f-i-x-e-d. &quot;

Not to get off on a tangent, but I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only cat who finds the outcome of that game to be bogus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; until that second game vs. Duke was f-i-x-e-d. &#8221;</p>
<p>Not to get off on a tangent, but I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only cat who finds the outcome of that game to be bogus.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-20220</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah that&#039;s crazy we were just talking about him. I wonder if I can track him down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah that&#8217;s crazy we were just talking about him. I wonder if I can track him down.</p>
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		<title>By: The Most Known Unknown</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-20213</link>
		<dc:creator>The Most Known Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad Temple3, sorry that I wasn&#039;t clear, and it&#039;s good to see you mention the Razorbacks, as Michael and I were just talking about Scotty Thurman yesterday. They had a heck of a team!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad Temple3, sorry that I wasn&#8217;t clear, and it&#8217;s good to see you mention the Razorbacks, as Michael and I were just talking about Scotty Thurman yesterday. They had a heck of a team!</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-20210</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;As I look the landscape of how the game is revered and played, it pails in comparison to the best three teams of the modern era.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As you can see from my post, that&#039;s the only reason I mentioned the UNC team.  

If your emphasis was on the significance of teams to Black folk, you should have led with that.  I absolutely agree that these are the 3 squads.  I also think you should have mentioned the personal side of it as well.

For me, the Hoyas were such a big deal because of John Thompson.  He was the first Black college basketball coach of my recollection whose &quot;race pride&quot; was evident.  Guys like George Raveling and John Cheney had put serious time in, but when G&#039;town rose to the top in 1982, Temple hadn&#039;t had a signature national season yet.  Terence Stansbury was still in grade school -- and Mark Macon was probably in the womb.  Raveling&#039;s teams were decent, but never much better than Sweet 16 material.  John redefined the role and he protected his players from the media.  He took the weight and demonstrated the power of his practice: discipline, hard work, defense and intimidation.  

Vegas won me over because of their style of play.  This wasn&#039;t the first Vegas team that was fun to watch, but it was their best defensive squad by far.  The most intriguing part of their games was that Amoeba Defense and Stacey Augmon.  LJ was clearly the best player, but Augmon seemed to be the key to those huge runs they&#039;d go on (20-0, 15-1, 18-3, etc.).  Once he got going, it was a wrap.

I was in Ann Arbor when the Fab Five first took the court.  I won&#039;t go into that, but their impact is clear.

Finally, I think a team that merits some consideration in this conversation with respect to Black folk is the Arkansas Razorback squad of Nolan Richardson.  I wouldn&#039;t put them in the top 3, but Nolan&#039;s teams were a combination of the Hoyas and the Runnin&#039; Rebels.  They brought 40 Minutes of Hell to the court every night -- and they won a championship...and curiously (just like Vegas) were run out of the gym the year after winning it all.  Arkansas had the 2nd Black coach to win it all and were no less than the 3rd or 4th team that played tenacious full-court defense -- so they&#039;re off the radar, but they were damned good.  Scottie Thurman, Oliver Miller, Cory Beck, Clint McDaniel, Corliss Williamson.  Nice squad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said:</p>
<blockquote><p>As I look the landscape of how the game is revered and played, it pails in comparison to the best three teams of the modern era.</p></blockquote>
<p>As you can see from my post, that&#8217;s the only reason I mentioned the UNC team.  </p>
<p>If your emphasis was on the significance of teams to Black folk, you should have led with that.  I absolutely agree that these are the 3 squads.  I also think you should have mentioned the personal side of it as well.</p>
<p>For me, the Hoyas were such a big deal because of John Thompson.  He was the first Black college basketball coach of my recollection whose &#8220;race pride&#8221; was evident.  Guys like George Raveling and John Cheney had put serious time in, but when G&#8217;town rose to the top in 1982, Temple hadn&#8217;t had a signature national season yet.  Terence Stansbury was still in grade school &#8212; and Mark Macon was probably in the womb.  Raveling&#8217;s teams were decent, but never much better than Sweet 16 material.  John redefined the role and he protected his players from the media.  He took the weight and demonstrated the power of his practice: discipline, hard work, defense and intimidation.  </p>
<p>Vegas won me over because of their style of play.  This wasn&#8217;t the first Vegas team that was fun to watch, but it was their best defensive squad by far.  The most intriguing part of their games was that Amoeba Defense and Stacey Augmon.  LJ was clearly the best player, but Augmon seemed to be the key to those huge runs they&#8217;d go on (20-0, 15-1, 18-3, etc.).  Once he got going, it was a wrap.</p>
<p>I was in Ann Arbor when the Fab Five first took the court.  I won&#8217;t go into that, but their impact is clear.</p>
<p>Finally, I think a team that merits some consideration in this conversation with respect to Black folk is the Arkansas Razorback squad of Nolan Richardson.  I wouldn&#8217;t put them in the top 3, but Nolan&#8217;s teams were a combination of the Hoyas and the Runnin&#8217; Rebels.  They brought 40 Minutes of Hell to the court every night &#8212; and they won a championship&#8230;and curiously (just like Vegas) were run out of the gym the year after winning it all.  Arkansas had the 2nd Black coach to win it all and were no less than the 3rd or 4th team that played tenacious full-court defense &#8212; so they&#8217;re off the radar, but they were damned good.  Scottie Thurman, Oliver Miller, Cory Beck, Clint McDaniel, Corliss Williamson.  Nice squad.</p>
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		<title>By: The Most Known Unknown</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-20208</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that UNC team, however I wrote this piece based upon what Georgetown, UNLV, and Michigan did within the black community in which I grew up in. Those teams had such a positive affect on my neighborhood, more so than UNC, DUKE, or UCLA. 

The &quot;three&quot; represented more than basketball...it represented a pride that was needed, and it gave people hope that they too could go to college. When I was growing up...no one in my family had graduated from college, so watching college basketball was my first impression of higher education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that UNC team, however I wrote this piece based upon what Georgetown, UNLV, and Michigan did within the black community in which I grew up in. Those teams had such a positive affect on my neighborhood, more so than UNC, DUKE, or UCLA. </p>
<p>The &#8220;three&#8221; represented more than basketball&#8230;it represented a pride that was needed, and it gave people hope that they too could go to college. When I was growing up&#8230;no one in my family had graduated from college, so watching college basketball was my first impression of higher education.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-20206</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We always go through this -- and I&#039;m the biggest G&#039;town fan I know, but how can you possibly exclude a North Carolina team with James Worthy, Sam Perkins, Michael Jordan and Jimmy Black?  The Georgetown team they beat in 1982 was every bit as good as (if not better) the 1984 team.  Eric Floyd was the offensive leader of the &#039;82 squad.

I don&#039;t think there is ANY question that the 3 teams you highlighted had the greatest impact on the game.  The Fear Factor of Ewing and Graham had Billy Packer&#039;s panties as tight around his little nuts as they&#039;ve ever been -- before or since.  Vegas&#039; squad was its best and it symbolized the ability of &quot;outsiders&quot; with serious inside connections to trump the Tobacco Road powerhouses -- for a minute -- until that second game vs. Duke was f-i-x-e-d.  Michigan, of course, with its youth, swagger and competence was &quot;revolutionary&quot; for the game.  Just as Michelle and Diallo highlighted -- it&#039;s simply amazing that 5 frosh ran this squad...of course the point guard Jalen Rose never, ever played &quot;young.&quot;  His NBA pedigree was always apparent in his cool, heady play.  I think these 3 teams definitely belong together in any conversation about transformational teams, but if you&#039;re talking BEST teams -- I think that Carolina squad has to be in the conversation -- even if the list only has 2 teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We always go through this &#8212; and I&#8217;m the biggest G&#8217;town fan I know, but how can you possibly exclude a North Carolina team with James Worthy, Sam Perkins, Michael Jordan and Jimmy Black?  The Georgetown team they beat in 1982 was every bit as good as (if not better) the 1984 team.  Eric Floyd was the offensive leader of the &#8217;82 squad.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is ANY question that the 3 teams you highlighted had the greatest impact on the game.  The Fear Factor of Ewing and Graham had Billy Packer&#8217;s panties as tight around his little nuts as they&#8217;ve ever been &#8212; before or since.  Vegas&#8217; squad was its best and it symbolized the ability of &#8220;outsiders&#8221; with serious inside connections to trump the Tobacco Road powerhouses &#8212; for a minute &#8212; until that second game vs. Duke was f-i-x-e-d.  Michigan, of course, with its youth, swagger and competence was &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; for the game.  Just as Michelle and Diallo highlighted &#8212; it&#8217;s simply amazing that 5 frosh ran this squad&#8230;of course the point guard Jalen Rose never, ever played &#8220;young.&#8221;  His NBA pedigree was always apparent in his cool, heady play.  I think these 3 teams definitely belong together in any conversation about transformational teams, but if you&#8217;re talking BEST teams &#8212; I think that Carolina squad has to be in the conversation &#8212; even if the list only has 2 teams.</p>
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		<title>By: The Most Known Unknown</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-20205</link>
		<dc:creator>The Most Known Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In doing some research on the Internet I found two stories that were intriguing. One was on the the Hoyas written by Temple3, and the other was a similar piece to this one written by BOUNCE Magazine&#039;s website. While I enjoyed Temple3&#039;s view, I didn&#039;t like how BOUNCE tried to say that the Fab Five were nothing more than a STREET BALL team. 

They played with flair, however I know that Jalen Rose is a very intelligent point guard and to say they are street is unfair and discredits all that they accomplished. 

In fact all of these teams were very good at what they did, and were well coached, especially the Georgetown teams of the early to mid-1980&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In doing some research on the Internet I found two stories that were intriguing. One was on the the Hoyas written by Temple3, and the other was a similar piece to this one written by BOUNCE Magazine&#8217;s website. While I enjoyed Temple3&#8242;s view, I didn&#8217;t like how BOUNCE tried to say that the Fab Five were nothing more than a STREET BALL team. </p>
<p>They played with flair, however I know that Jalen Rose is a very intelligent point guard and to say they are street is unfair and discredits all that they accomplished. </p>
<p>In fact all of these teams were very good at what they did, and were well coached, especially the Georgetown teams of the early to mid-1980&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-20189</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AXG,


I love this piece! Webb and the Fab Five are the reason I am a basketball fan. Freshmen. WHAT? They were all that. NOW AND FOREVER!
This team was amazing. For me not winning the national title does not define them. Since every game is win or go home.  I&#039;m practical. To make it to the title game not once but twice was a huge accomplishment. Those in the media who wish to erase them from history will use the fact that they didn&#039;t win it all as ammunition. I say WHATEVER! The baggy shorts, black socks and incredible swagger was electric. I will never forget them. I can&#039;t since I have a huge painting of them hanging in my loft. LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AXG,</p>
<p>I love this piece! Webb and the Fab Five are the reason I am a basketball fan. Freshmen. WHAT? They were all that. NOW AND FOREVER!<br />
This team was amazing. For me not winning the national title does not define them. Since every game is win or go home.  I&#8217;m practical. To make it to the title game not once but twice was a huge accomplishment. Those in the media who wish to erase them from history will use the fact that they didn&#8217;t win it all as ammunition. I say WHATEVER! The baggy shorts, black socks and incredible swagger was electric. I will never forget them. I can&#8217;t since I have a huge painting of them hanging in my loft. LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Diallo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2008/12/01/higher-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-20187</link>
		<dc:creator>Diallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how much the Fab Five is underrated right now.  Five Freshman will NEVER start in an NCAA Final game.  Will. Not. Happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how much the Fab Five is underrated right now.  Five Freshman will NEVER start in an NCAA Final game.  Will. Not. Happen.</p>
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