It’s Time for Donovan McNabb’s Legacy to be Law
(AP Photo/Bill Kostroun)
This is the last Donovan McNabb piece I will write until next season.
Before I go…
Wake up from your Super Bowl slumber. Already last year’s game is a memory. I thought that was the best Super Bowl ever? I thought the catch from last year was the best ever? Oh never mind.
Dude, wake up!
Look…listen. Can we talk? I mean…really really talk? Yo, let’s talk. I mean really, really, really, really talk.
It’s time for Donovan McNabb’s legacy to be law.
All this foolishness about Donovan undeserving of Hall of Fame enshrinement or is not in the top three of current NFL quarterbacks is just crazy.
This is not about race. We can talk about race in this instance if you want to…
Please…I don’t want to talk about race. We all know race. It has its place, so keep it in its space.
Think about it this way:
Since this nation is moving into a new direction, can we please move away from old thought…conventional wisdom…if you will?
Some just will not be moved.
Ok, that’s cool.
Some things are changing, but we have a long way to go. I understand.
Whatever…
Let’s talk Donovan McNabb.
I will agree there is a positive fan base that is straight up down for Donovan McNabb. I would never deny this.
Never ever.
To those who seek to keep Donovan McNabb locked in a primitive perception of history? This is for you. Since you have become the moral majority who are describing society’s rules forevermore, yeah, this is for you.
I hate talking about stats. Seriously I do.
Do you really want to talk about stats?
OK. I will but just for a bit.
Damn…
Compare his stats to the so called best quarterbacks of his era. Mainly the wins and playoff appearances.
There is a time where stats are relative, but in a natural, love of the game conversation, stats reek of a convenient advance of flaws insecurity.
What the hell do kids learn from stats?
My bad, that doesn’t matter to you does it?
It should be all about the win. Period.
You don’t think so?
That’s cool. Again, whatever.
How many quarterbacks in the history of this league has played in 5 championship games?
5 NFC Championship games in 8 years.
Donovan McNabb is a Hall of Fame quarterback based on he’s played half of his career in the NFC Championship.
Like Asante Samuel said to reporter Don Bell in New York after upsetting the defending Super Bowl champion Giants: “Swag 100 baby. Swag 100.” Translation? The Eagles defeated the Giants because they wanted it more and they did so with a chip on their shoulder.
That chip is Donovan’s class.
I’m sure there were pundits ready to elevate Eli Manning over and above Donovan McNabb. Try again. Eli could have had a bad game…granted…but just stop.
His teammates get tired of reporters writing bs about someone who has never been in trouble ever.
Donovan is a model citizen and has talent. What else do you want?
This was a team everyone threw in the trash–even their own city. There were fans all around town saying the same thing at the end of last season after the Eagles missed the playoffs: “No more McNabb.”
The Eagles arose from the ashes when it counted to make a good playoff run. It didn’t work out. There is always next year.
But…
I don’t get why the lack of depth on the Eagles offensive roster continues to bite them again and again and again and rarely do writers question Jeffrey Lurie and Joe Banner with the same veracity shot smack at McNabb and Reid.
One has to wonder why the Philadelphia media has been allowed to operate with such a laissez-faire approach regarding McNabb. Yes, he has had bad games but he has never been horrible–not Brett Favre leading the universe in touch backs horrible. Brett has been a great quarterback in this league and also a great ambassador for fans of the NFL, but his interception total for someone who is held in such high regard is simply unacceptable.
Unacceptable for history’s sake. He is not the best quarterback of his era and he won’t be 20 years from now either.
Donovan’s 2008 stats:
| YDS | CMP% | TD | INT | RAT | ||
| 3916 | 60.4 | 23 | 11 | 86.4 |
MVP Peyton Manning’s 2008 stats:
| YDS | CMP% | TD | INT | RAT | ||
| 4002 | 66.8 | 27 | 12 | 95.0 |
Imagine what Donovan could do with Peyton’s weapons.
Remember, Peyton watched the Super Bowl from the sidelines just like Donovan.
The perception is that Donovan is a lackluster quarterback who has had a bad career.
His career stats:
| Passing Stats | |||||||||||||||||||
| YEAR | TEAM | G | CMP | ATT | PCT | YDS | AVG | TD | LNG | INT | RAT | ||||||||
| 1999 | PHI | 12 | 106 | 216 | 49.1 | 948 | 4.4 | 8 | 63 | 7 | 60.1 | ||||||||
| 2000 | PHI | 16 | 330 | 569 | 58.0 | 3365 | 5.9 | 21 | 70 | 13 | 77.8 | ||||||||
| 2001 | PHI | 16 | 285 | 493 | 57.8 | 3233 | 6.6 | 25 | 64 | 12 | 84.3 | ||||||||
| 2002 | PHI | 10 | 211 | 361 | 58.4 | 2289 | 6.3 | 17 | 59 | 6 | 86.0 | ||||||||
| 2003 | PHI | 16 | 275 | 478 | 57.5 | 3216 | 6.7 | 16 | 59 | 11 | 79.6 | ||||||||
| 2004 | PHI | 15 | 300 | 469 | 64.0 | 3875 | 8.3 | 31 | 80 | 8 | 104.7 | ||||||||
| 2005 | PHI | 9 | 211 | 357 | 59.1 | 2507 | 7.0 | 16 | 91 | 9 | 85.0 | ||||||||
| 2006 | PHI | 10 | 180 | 316 | 57.0 | 2647 | 8.4 | 18 | 87 | 6 | 95.5 | ||||||||
| 2007 | PHI | 14 | 291 | 473 | 61.5 | 3324 | 7.0 | 19 | 75 | 7 | 89.9 | ||||||||
| 2008 | PHI | 16 | 345 | 571 | 60.4 | 3916 | 6.9 | 23 | 90 | 11 | 86.4 | ||||||||
| Career | 134 | 2534 | 4303 | 58.9 | 29320 | 6.8 | 194 | 91 | 90 | 85.9 | |||||||||
He’s thrown 13 interceptions one season. One, and that was his first season as a starter.
He’s 32. What’s that 5 years left? Are you diminishing his career because he needs those five years of stats?
Can you imagine what they are gonna look like after those said five years in this offense?
If healthy, that’s at least 3,300 yards and give or take 25 touchdowns a year. Do the math.
C’mon man.
Am I missing something here?
What are you afraid of?
Kurt Warner’s career stats:
| Passing Stats | |||||||||||||||||||
| YEAR | TEAM | G | CMP | ATT | PCT | YDS | AVG | TD | LNG | INT | RAT | ||||||||
| 1998 | STL | 1 | 4 | 11 | 36.4 | 39 | 3.5 | 0 | 21 | 0 | 47.2 | ||||||||
| 1999 | STL | 16 | 325 | 499 | 65.1 | 4353 | 8.7 | 41 | 75 | 13 | 109.2 | ||||||||
| 2000 | STL | 11 | 235 | 347 | 67.7 | 3429 | 9.9 | 21 | 85 | 18 | 98.3 | ||||||||
| 2001 | STL | 16 | 375 | 546 | 68.7 | 4830 | 8.8 | 36 | 65 | 22 | 101.4 | ||||||||
| 2002 | STL | 7 | 144 | 220 | 65.5 | 1431 | 6.5 | 3 | 43 | 11 | 67.4 | ||||||||
| 2003 | STL | 2 | 38 | 65 | 58.5 | 365 | 5.6 | 1 | 37 | 1 | 72.9 | ||||||||
| 2004 | NYG | 10 | 174 | 277 | 62.8 | 2054 | 7.4 | 6 | 62 | 4 | 86.5 | ||||||||
| 2005 | ARI | 10 | 242 | 375 | 64.5 | 2713 | 7.2 | 11 | 63 | 9 | 85.8 | ||||||||
| 2006 | ARI | 6 | 108 | 168 | 64.3 | 1377 | 8.2 | 6 | 64 | 5 | 89.3 | ||||||||
| 2007 | ARI | 14 | 281 | 451 | 62.3 | 3417 | 7.6 | 27 | 62 | 17 | 89.8 | ||||||||
| 2008 | ARI | 16 | 401 | 598 | 67.1 | 4583 | 7.7 | 30 | 79 | 14 | 96.9 | ||||||||
| Career | 109 | 2327 | 3557 | 65.4 | 28591 | 8.0 | 182 | 85 | 114 | 93.8 | |||||||||
Imagine what McNabb’s stats would have been if he’d played with Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald?
Kurt Warner is the evolution of Dan Fouts.
Yeah, he had a nice playoff run and put up sick numbers in three Super Bowls, but in the end he lost and is still labeled a winner and a football god?
Wow, I don’t know what to say here.
His quick release is perfect for receivers who are open. Why is that so hard to understand? One step on the defense usually means six in the NFL. When Kurt was on his back in New York, no one was proclaiming him the second coming were they?
Tell me when Donovan had open receivers all over the field his entire career?
Well there was one and uh…didn’t they go to the Super Bowl with a big mouth cat wrecking shop on one leg?
What does Donovan have to do? So if he doesn’t win a Super Bowl he’s not at least as good as Dan Fouts or Jim Kelly.
Whatever.
He has done more with less in his stellar ten year career than anyone. Tom Brady you say? Andy Reid is a decent coach, but he’s no Bill Belichik.
At the beginning of the season when the Eagles played Dallas and also against the Giants, most were surprised the Eagles were as effective as they were on offense. People were shook. They thought, damn this is the year Donovan finally puts it together. Pundits began picking them all over the place. Jumping on the bandwagon with one hand and one foot just looking for a reason to jump the hell off. Most did do just that when the Eagles fell off for a minute but have to realize the Eagles are quick strike when the team is healthy–and that’s without top rate weapons. Most know when Donovan has all his physical capabilities, he is one of the best whether they say it publicly or not.
Stop hating please. Be nice for once. Tell it like it is. Take one for the team. Be a leader of men. Say Donovan is the best around the water cooler first even though you’ll be frowned on by your peers. So what. Hold your head up high. The truth is the truth. Get rid of all that old school baggage your grandpappy gave ya. Get with the times man. Walk three mental steps without taking one. You can do it. I know you can.
These cats are not going anywhere. Terrelle Pryor is going to be a stud.
Since Donovan McNabb’s benching he completed an astounding 80% of his passes. You hear all the time about Brian Westbrook being the key to the Eagles offense but looking at McNabb’s stats and his performance under the media glare during the playoffs, anyone who disagrees with Donovan McNabb being the determining factor in the Eagles scheme is a fool. Check the history of the league. There are 8 quarterbacks with 10 postseason wins and they are either in the Hall of Fame or a lock to be enshrined.
I was having dinner in the Sixers press room with a couple of scouts. Tim Tebow was brought up and everyone was proclaiming him to be the next great NFL quarterback. Then in the same breath, they had the temerity to say an athletic quarterback will never win a Super Bowl.
What?
Why isn’t Tim Tebow seen as a running quarterback?
This isn’t about woe is me. Don’t take it there. This is a team who rallied around their quarterback because they want to do their jobs in peace. They don’t want to hear a bunch of bull in the locker room or press conferences after games. Their luck ran out this year, it’s a simple as that.
Marcellus Wiley picked the Eagles to win the Super Bowl next year based on Donovan McNabb’s talent. He also took a shot at the Eagles front office saying “Draft receivers more than six feet tall.”
I tell you what, if Anquan Boldin is on the block and the Eagles don’t acquire him they are sending a message to the sports world saying without a doubt the organization is not interested in winning the Super Bowl.
If that’s true then I don’t know if I can follow this team. I’ve been can’t stop won’t stop since Randall dripped activator on the Vet carpet.
I don’t know if I can do it anymore. I really don’t. That’s crazy for me to say but what more can I take?
I want my son to have a football soul model who looks like him. The White race have sports role models for their children, why can’t Blacks?
This is about sports and nothing else. Don’t take it there.
I’m being real here. I don’t mind if my son digs Marino’s release, Montana’s ease or Favre’s heart but sometimes there needs to be a physical connection to advance talent.
Do you understand?
Is that what this is all about? You don’t want Black kids to have quarterback role models?
I really hope that is not the case.
Let’s make a deal. If you begin to write naturally about Donovan McNabb like other quarterbacks, I’ll soften my stance.
Sike!
What are you crazy? Man I’m representin’!
You weren’t going to do it anyway. Don’t front.
If I hear one more person call the Cardinals underdogs….
One more question: Why wasn’t 5 spoken of like this after coming back from 24-6 and throwing for 375 and 3 touchdowns?
“Man, he was good in the second half. He left it all out on the field. He sure is a leader. If only his receivers were open, we could shower him with man love and unequivocal affection. Did you see those perfect passes to Kevin Curtis, Greg something or other and DeSean Jackson? That number 5 sure is good. I wouldn’t have him over for dinner or nuthin’ but man he sure knows how to throw a deep ball. Do you see how he gets away from all those bigguns? He’s so strong and intelligent. His Daddy and Mother both were in the house raising him. He sure has a nice family. Man, if I was having twins it might affect me just a little. I want my son to be just…uh, never mind.”
That’s what they think about you Donovan. Wake up from that front office nightmare, break down Joe Banners’ door and tell him to get you what the hell you need. If he does, you will be in the Super Bowl once again.
After that?
Next stop Canton.
The time is right. Get it straight.
Don’t fall back to sleep either.
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February 3rd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Damn. Miz! I need to light the cannon after that one!!!!!!!
February 3rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I’ll tell you why writers are hesitant to criticize Jeff Lurie: access. Writers don’t criticize owners as much as they should because they don’t want their access to players limited or eliminated. It’s easy to bash Barry Bonds rather than Peter Magowan. Bonds isn’t gonna restrict your access to the locker room. Writers may think Jeff Lurie’s a cheap behind who only makes money, but they need access to him and the locker room.
February 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
That’s the logical answer, but I don’t think it’s always the case here brotha. Just ask Randall.
February 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Athletes aren’t like singers or actors/actresses. They can’t perform into their 60s like Nancy Wilson, Lena Horne, Patti LaBelle, Marlon Brando, Frank Sinatra, Paul Newman, etc. They only have a finite number of years to do what they do. That’s one reason why I don’t really care if they take steriods. If an athlete’s playing for a team where the front office clearly don’t know what they’re doing and/or is interested only in making money, he or she is obligated to either make noise about the front office bringing in help or go somewhere else where they’re serious about winning. Loyalty only goes so far when the team you play for isn’t committed to winning.
February 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
How so?
February 3rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
“I tell you what, if Anquan Boldin is on the block and the Eagles don’t acquire him they are sending a message to the sports world saying without a doubt the organization is not interested in winning the Super Bowl.”
They already said it more than once, Miz. The only Anquan comes to Philly is if McNabb campaigns for him the way he did for T.O.
February 3rd, 2009 at 4:24 pm
This off season will be different. Trust me, if I could, I’d blast a bull horn into the Eagles’ front office screaming for them to go after 81. He’d be perfect here.
February 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Great piece Mizz….
You know how I feel about #5. I think he’s among the top 3 in the league….and that’s w/o a great WR!
Unfortunately, I am a fan of McNabb and not the Eagles’ organization b/c of the way they’ve screwed him over the years. I would like to see him pull a “KG” and bounce. But I understand your loyalty to your hometown team, though. It’s all good.
“I tell you what, if Anquan Boldin is on the block and the Eagles don’t acquire him they are sending a message to the sports world saying without a doubt the organization is not interested in winning the Super Bowl.”
Below is a complete list of the available FA WRs this offseason. T.J. “WhoseYourMamma” is at the top of the list. That’s 2 top tier WRs that the Eagles can try to get (Boldin being the other).
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/ol.html
If McNabb decides to play it out in Philly and the Eagles don’t try to get Boldin or Houshmanzadeh, then he gets what he deserves….but i’ll still root for him (unless he’s playing against the Steelers
).
February 3rd, 2009 at 5:04 pm
My problem is with the comfort by which the media operates. Dude’s stats are hella good…borderline great.
How do they get away with this here?
Somebody has got to speak up. Offer a check and balance. Turn on the lights. Change the style…something.
That goes for the whole league. Matt Ryan has one year and I heard Wendy Nix said they are going to the Super Bowl.
Why can’t a brotha get love like that?
WTF?
February 3rd, 2009 at 5:11 pm
GN you are correct. If 5 deals with this one more year or for the duration of his contract then he does get what he deserves.
February 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
“Why can’t a brotha get love like that?”
He doesn’t have the complexion for the protection, that’s why. He seriously needs to go to Chicago. Every player wants to be appreciated. Donovan clearly isn’t. The team and the fans act like the next QB will automatically be better than him. They have no clue.
February 3rd, 2009 at 6:48 pm
“He doesn’t have the complexion for the protection”
Truer words have never been said Matthew………..Man when I heard Paul Mooney say that, I had to write it down because it was so good.
February 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Where do you think I got it from?
February 3rd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
HAHA I hear you Matthew.
Folks can hate all they won’t, but Paul tells the TRUTH!!!!!
February 3rd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I would’ve definitely wanted to see him perform right after Obama won the election.
February 3rd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Yeah I saw him perform last year. That was my first time seeing that brotha live.
February 3rd, 2009 at 7:23 pm
I’d catch him live just so I can see at least two people walk out during the show.
February 3rd, 2009 at 7:25 pm
That’s who Miz needs to post on this bad boy.
February 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I’ll hit him up and see.
February 3rd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Cool.
February 3rd, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Mizzo:
Ditto all that…I see the FIRE from our conversations just keeps coming through. I got a little incensed last night just thinking about it. You know I do the stats thing — and the thing that set me off was the startling similarities between the Super Bowl and the NFC Championship game.
– Both losing QBs threw for 375+ yards.
– Both offenses were shut down in the first half.
– Both losing teams ran fewer than 20 times.
– Both losing teams battled back from huge deficits against elite defenses.
– Both losing teams surrendered 8 minute drives that cost them dearly.
– Both losing QBs threw a single interception and fumbled.
– Both losing QBs were considered heroic in defeat.
Er, scratch that last one.
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Frankly, when folks hate on McNabb it’s like a confession. That person is screaming at the top of their lungs: “I don’t know shit about football. I don’t know shit about football.”
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GN: I have three things to say about TJ Houshmandzadeh.
1) He’s 31 years old.
2) Last year, he averaged less than 10 yards per catch.
3) He hasn’t played without Chad Johnson since HIGH SCHOOL.
Do you really think he’s the answer for the Eagles next year?
I still hate the Eagles (Sorry Mizz — but if they did right by Randall and Mac5, we wouldn’t have this problem. They brought that isht on themselves.). So I hope they take his sorry ass and let Anquan go somewhere else. He’d look good in New York. Plaxico, Anquan and Steve Smith in the slot? Goose bumps!!!
February 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm
I am a firm believer in a great running game and Mc Nabb like Marino never had a franchise back like Elway got his last 4 years to take that pressure off him so he could work his magic. Marino had recievers but never an offensive line, it was always his quick release that bailed out the Dolphins. Considering all he has had to deal with in a city like Philly for a player like Mc Nabb to get that team to 5 conference games is as great as what Kelly did and he had more talent than what D-Mac has ever had on offense. I just think with Boldin , Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh as potential trading partners Lurie, Banner and Reid needs to make moves or say it’s time to play Kolb.
February 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 pm
No goosebumps. No goosebumps!
February 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm
If the Eagles fans want to be mad at a qb that choked in the big one it should be Jaws.He went into the Super Bowl with his team favored to win. I think he was even player of the year. Threw 3 int’s, had a fumble and lost 27 to 10.His ass never came out the locker room and he had weapons but kept throwing the ball to the wrong damn team. Jim Plunkett an average qb does his thing while looking like Joe Montana. I will never understand the Philly fan. NEVER!!!
February 3rd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Tell ‘em sister, tell ‘em. lol
February 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Michelle:
Well said. However, in defense of Jim Plunkett, he was better than average. He was a number 1 draft pick of the Patriots who went there with huge expectations. In fact, in one my recent posts about McNabb not getting support, I linked him to Plunkett’s plight with the Pats.
http://temple3.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/donovan-mcnabbs-round-table-talk-with-the-legends/
Plunkett was a star QB at Stanford long before John Elway — and he resurrected his career with the Oakland Raiders. He won two Super Bowls in Oakland — both with TOM FLORES, not John Madden. These two football greats of Latin descent get absolute NO RESPECT even though they knocked off Vermeil and Jaworski, then Gibbs and Theismann. They get no props and are seldom if ever recalled among the legends of the game.
Plunkett and Flores were far better than average.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Leave it to Temple3 to correct me. I’m at the salon under the dryer, trying to keep up with the convesation on my blackberry. Thanks for the history lesson Temple. That’s why we love u. I was only 10 at the time of that Bowl. Just goes to show how the media shapes minds as Mizzo would say. I only remember Plunkett as being average in part due to the fact the media never hyped him amd I wasn’t a Raiders fan so I didn’t pay that much attention to his game.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Eric:
It’s worse than that. The formula for the Eagles is SO SIMPLE that if more people knew it, they’d have run Reid out of town years ago.
HAND OFF THE GODDAMN BALL!!!!!
In the two of the three biggest drives of the SEASON (the Cardinals vs. Philly and Pittsburgh vs. the Cardinals) — it went like this:
– Cardinals hold the ball for 8 minutes. They run 9 times for 16 yards.
– Steelers hold the ball for almost 8 minutes. They run 8 times for 12 yards.
Both drives killed the opposing defenses…GAME OVER.
That’s not a dominant running game. The Eagles don’t actually NEED a dominant RUN GAME. They JUST NEED TO HAND IT OFF. That’s it. That’s all they need to do…
Hike, hand off, block…Don’t fumble.
Hike, hand off, block…Don’t fumble.
Hike, hand off, block…Don’t fumble.
Really. It’s that simple. The Patriots did it. Check the box scores. The Colts did it.
Hike, hand off, block…don’t fumble.
Hike, hand off, block…don’t fumble.
Fade to Lombardi.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 pm
It’s all good Michelle. If I knew you were under the dryer, I wouldn’t have said a word.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
No problem Temple. Guys just forgive me if I type some crazy stuff that doesn’t make sense. Lol! Plunkett did really shine in that Super Bowl.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Girl, you gotta focus when you’re gettin’ your hair did!
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
T3,
I don’t know if TJ’s the answer or not but who do the Eagles have that’s better than him right now?
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:18 pm
….Personally, i’d like to see Boldin in Philly catching balls from #5.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Matthew fudge, LOL! I stay so busy. I gotta get my Starting Five fix whenever I can
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 pm
A’ight. Mess around with that dryer you’ll be bald like me. It’s all good. You’ll only be in the bathroom ten minutes with a razor and two mirrors.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 pm
A couple of interesting things about Plunkett:
(I actually wrote a report about him when I was in grade school. I think I was fascinated by the fact that his parents were both blind.)
Anyway — he had a career rating of 67. That’s not a sexy number no matter how you cut, but in the playoffs, his rating shot up to 81. That’s a huge difference. Also, he began his career running for his life just like McNabb and Vick and so many others. He averaged between 4 and 6 yards per carry his first few years in the league — and then…BOOM! Knees.
Plunkett was a guy you had to see to appreciate. He threw a beautiful deep ball. It was a very catchable ball with lots of touch…and he was a great team leader. Check out the video on the link — it shows what words can’t really convey.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 pm
LMAO! Thanks for having me fellas! Now I’m just going to read. Carry on…
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
GN:
The Eagles don’t even know anyone better than him right now. I’m not sure they have the phone number of someone better than him.
Who you got in that Rolodex Mizzo? No NBA contacts, puhleeze!!
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Later. Don’t fall asleep under there. Ol’ girl might get on the phone and forget you’re sitting there.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Temple3, Wow! Both parents were blind? That’s incredible! Thanks for the info on Plunkett I’ll have to google him. Matthew Fudge, I’m in the chair now getting styled. Lol!
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:37 pm
A’ight, pimpin’!
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Matthew Fudge, I may be a chick that likes sports but I gotta keep it tight!!!
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 pm
I bow before you.
February 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 pm
“The Eagles don’t even know anyone better than him right now. I’m not sure they have the phone number of someone better than him.
Who you got in that Rolodex Mizzo? No NBA contacts, puhleeze!!”
LOL
February 4th, 2009 at 1:45 am
This isn’t really off topic, but thought y’all might find this interesting:
http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/Football_7/Conversion_Rate.shtml
A study of the conversion rate of black quarterbacks in the NFL
February 4th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Damn, Miz, that’s the way to end the Eagles/McNabb coverage for the ‘08 season with a bang. #5 is going to have to leave that class at the door this offseason when he goes to talk to the FO because it’s time to get in some azzes and demand the Eagles pull the trigger on a true offensive weapon. Forget that stuff about so-called baggage and get a wideout who may be a little off-kilter but has that ‘want-to’ combined with the physical gifts to come to the team and terrify the whole league.
Here’s my to do list for the Eagles before the start of training camp in Lehigh:
1. make McNabb an Eagle for the rest of his career
2. re-sign BDawk to a two-year contract
3. ditto Tra Thomas
4. wave goodbye to Jon Runyan, Greg Lewis, Reggie Brown, LJ Smith, and Correll Buckhalter.
5. draft either Beanie Wells or Javon Ringer
6. trade or sign for any of the following: Ocho Cinco, Anquan Boldin, or Tony Gonzalez
7. send Andy Reid to a health spa to lose weight and get away from those wild-azz kids and relieve him of front-office duties and tell him to concentrate on coaching especially the running game
8. mix ingredients vigorously with the mantra of ‘Lombardi’
February 4th, 2009 at 7:15 am
You know what really blows me away about McNabb though and that’s the love he gets from fans of other teams as evidenced by most of the regulars on this board. Even those of us who can’t stand the Eagles give nothing but respect to him for his accomplishments on the field and the way he carries himself off of it. That’s why I always tell people who do crap on him that I’m not a fan because he’s Black but because he’s a great QB and has been for a decade.
And my #7 comment was not a smart azz comment about Reid but just an observation that he could stand to lose a few pounds for his health.
February 4th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Good morning
Harvey. I”m working and agree with you. If the eagles let McNabb go there would be a lot of teams lined up to sign him.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Couldn’t agree more Harvey.
Sista Miranda you and I must share the same brain. I saw that article yesterday and was going to post it.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Origin/Miranda:
Those test scores are pulling out something discernible to me. I don’t believe its “intelligence.” I believe it’s something else and it feels different than some other players. At this point, it’s perception and I don’t have all the numbers — so I’d have to hold off. I do believe there are some compelling common threads between these players.
One — Among the low-scorers identified in the article, only Bradshaw has rings. The first two were won largely by the defense even though TB was spectacular in SB X (Swann was MVP). By the time they played SB XIII, the Steelers had the top offense in the league and were accomplished bombers.
Two — These guys all have cannon arms. Not a single one of these players had less than an A-grade arm. Their accuracy differed, but with respect to strength, you couldn’t pull another group of QBs with stronger arms than Bradshaw, Dan Marino, Jeff George, Mac 5, McNair, Vince Young and Jim Kelly.
Three — Each of these players had the reputation for winning games single-handedly. Many of these players did it with their legs, but each was known for being able to do whatever they wanted on the field. This is a Superman list with respect to physical ability.
I’m sure there is someone, somewhere who still swears by this stuff. Obviously if this system causes you to pass up guys like Marino, Kelly, McNabb, McNair and others, there are huge problems.
I’m wondering if those Wunderlic scores are actually isolating a different measure: like a sense of needing to others to succeed or some other quality. The article doesn’t go into sufficient detail to give you a sense of the right brain-left brain components of the test. (I would guess its weighted strongly to one side — the left brain.)
A right-brain player sees the big picture and is capable of implementing a game plan where they bear full responsibility for the outcome. Right-brain players are not SYSTEM QBs. They transcend systems…they’re bigger and better than systems and they give defenses fits.
Eli Manning is a system QB. Peyton is a system QB (it’s his system, but he’s a system QB). Brady is a system QB. Montana was a system QB. I would not be surprised to see players who have excelled in systems do well on this exam.
I believe these SuperMan QBs are largely right-brain players who see the big picture. Roethlisberger plays like a right-brain QB. So did Elway. I believe Steve Young may have been the pinnacle of bridging both approaches to the game (that’s why he has the highest passer rating of any QB in league history).
When you think back about all the plays you remember from these various players, most of the guys with high scores appear to be system QBs…they’re the guys who throw the ball away when the play breaks down. The right brain guys don’t do that…they don’t always go through their progressions (at least not when they’re young…when they get older they get much better). Right brain guys tend to try to keep the play alive because they believe (rightly or wrongly) that they can make something happen — either with their feet or their patience or some skill they’ve picked up along the way.
I would be willing to bet that there is a fairly skewed distribution of QBs along this Wunderlic scale. I’d love to see the numbers and see how closely it corresponds to other metrics. “Scrambling yards” isn’t the best metric…I don’t have a substitute, but the question is worth entertaining. The Wunderlic test may be measuring something entirely different than what people think…I suspect that the most successful QBs may score right around the middle — as long as their on a team with a solid system.
The middle ground players are probably able to do a bit of both. The middle ground distribution may be as “low” as 12 (especially if Marino, Kelly and Bradshaw scored 15’s — assuming they didn’t just blow the thing off.) and as high as 28 (Peyton Manning’s score).
So, if you looked at the Wunderlic Test as a distribution, you’d have:
High Scorers: 40 - 29
Mid Scorers: 28 - 12
Low Scorers: 11 - 0
Of course, with any “test” there are going to be exceptions. I’d love to know where the rings are clustered on that list.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
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February 5th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
It appears that TJ Houshmandzadeh is interested in a future with the Eagles:
http://950espn.com/Audio/tabid/183/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3045/Default.aspx
He says he likes the way Andy Reid calls plays……WTF??!!
February 5th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Any wideout with two hands would.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Look at what Eagle fans are saying regarding Big Ben & McNabb:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090203_Steelers__QB_succeeds_where_McNabb_fails.html
Make sure that you read the comments following the article.
February 6th, 2009 at 3:11 am
That dumb ass writer missed the fact that McNabb’s situation in the NFC Championship game was actually analogous to Warner.
Warner lost — same as McNabb, but with a much better overall offense.
One dimensional teams lose once they throw too many passes trying to play catch up. Do you even need a GED to write for that paper?
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