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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Time for Donovan McNabb&#8217;s Legacy to be Law</title>
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		<title>By: Friday Fire: Why Are the Perceptions of Donovan McNabb and Steve Nash So Different? &#124; The Starting Five</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/02/03/its-time-for-donovan-mcnabbs-legacy-to-be-law/comment-page-2/#comment-34796</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Fire: Why Are the Perceptions of Donovan McNabb and Steve Nash So Different? &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 21:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also been on record defending (written numerous features) the legacy of Donovan McNabb because it appears his career is absent the respect he definitely [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Starting Five NFL Week 17 Recap: How In the Hell Do The Eagles Come Up So Small With So Much At Stake? &#124; The Starting Five</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/02/03/its-time-for-donovan-mcnabbs-legacy-to-be-law/comment-page-2/#comment-31260</link>
		<dc:creator>The Starting Five NFL Week 17 Recap: How In the Hell Do The Eagles Come Up So Small With So Much At Stake? &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to make the catch on third and fourth when it counts to help cement Triple 5 Soul&#8217;s legacy? Yeah, it&#8217;s important. He can&#8217;t wait on the young fellas. He didn&#8217;t have his best game either. I&#8217;m not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to make the catch on third and fourth when it counts to help cement Triple 5 Soul&#8217;s legacy? Yeah, it&#8217;s important. He can&#8217;t wait on the young fellas. He didn&#8217;t have his best game either. I&#8217;m not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Fire: What is the Responsibility of the Media? &#124; The Starting Five</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/02/03/its-time-for-donovan-mcnabbs-legacy-to-be-law/comment-page-2/#comment-30704</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Fire: What is the Responsibility of the Media? &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] isn&#8217;t Donovan McNabb championed because he does NOT get into trouble off the field and is consistent over time on it? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Twitted by Mizzzzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by Mizzzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was Twitted by Mizzzzo [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/02/03/its-time-for-donovan-mcnabbs-legacy-to-be-law/comment-page-2/#comment-23015</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That dumb ass writer missed the fact that McNabb&#039;s situation in the NFC Championship game was actually analogous to Warner.

Warner lost -- same as McNabb, but with a much better overall offense.  

One dimensional teams lose once they throw too many passes trying to play catch up.  Do you even need a GED to write for that paper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That dumb ass writer missed the fact that McNabb&#8217;s situation in the NFC Championship game was actually analogous to Warner.</p>
<p>Warner lost &#8212; same as McNabb, but with a much better overall offense.  </p>
<p>One dimensional teams lose once they throw too many passes trying to play catch up.  Do you even need a GED to write for that paper?</p>
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		<title>By: GrandNubian</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/02/03/its-time-for-donovan-mcnabbs-legacy-to-be-law/comment-page-2/#comment-23013</link>
		<dc:creator>GrandNubian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at what Eagle fans are saying regarding Big Ben &amp; McNabb:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090203_Steelers__QB_succeeds_where_McNabb_fails.html

Make sure that you read the comments following the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at what Eagle fans are saying regarding Big Ben &amp; McNabb:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090203_Steelers__QB_succeeds_where_McNabb_fails.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20090203_Steelers__QB_succeeds_where_McNabb_fails.html</a></p>
<p>Make sure that you read the comments following the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/02/03/its-time-for-donovan-mcnabbs-legacy-to-be-law/comment-page-2/#comment-22970</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any wideout with two hands would.</description>
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		<title>By: GrandNubian</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/02/03/its-time-for-donovan-mcnabbs-legacy-to-be-law/comment-page-2/#comment-22969</link>
		<dc:creator>GrandNubian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that TJ Houshmandzadeh is interested in a future with the Eagles:


http://950espn.com/Audio/tabid/183/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3045/Default.aspx


He says he likes the way Andy Reid calls plays......WTF??!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that TJ Houshmandzadeh is interested in a future with the Eagles:</p>
<p><a href="http://950espn.com/Audio/tabid/183/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3045/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://950espn.com/Audio/tabid/183/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3045/Default.aspx</a></p>
<p>He says he likes the way Andy Reid calls plays&#8230;&#8230;WTF??!!</p>
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		<title>By: Is the Wonderlic an Intelligence Test? &#171; Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is the Wonderlic an Intelligence Test? &#171; Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Miranda over at TSF for providing the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/02/03/its-time-for-donovan-mcnabbs-legacy-to-be-law/comment-page-1/#comment-22930</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Origin/Miranda:

Those test scores are pulling out something discernible to me.  I don&#039;t believe its &quot;intelligence.&quot;  I believe it&#039;s something else and it feels different than some other players.  At this point, it&#039;s perception and I don&#039;t have all the numbers -- so I&#039;d have to hold off.  I do believe there are some compelling common threads between these players.  

One -- Among the low-scorers identified in the article, only Bradshaw has rings.  The first two were won largely by the defense even though TB was spectacular in SB X (Swann was MVP).  By the time they played SB XIII, the Steelers had the top offense in the league and were accomplished bombers.

Two -- These guys all have cannon arms.  Not a single one of these players had less than an A-grade arm.  Their accuracy differed, but with respect to strength, you couldn&#039;t pull another group of QBs with stronger arms than Bradshaw, Dan Marino, Jeff George, Mac 5, McNair, Vince Young and Jim Kelly.

Three -- Each of these players had the reputation for winning games single-handedly.  Many of these players did it with their legs, but each was known for being able to do whatever they wanted on the field.  This is a Superman list with respect to physical ability.

I&#039;m sure there is someone, somewhere who still swears by this stuff.  Obviously if this system causes you to pass up guys like Marino, Kelly, McNabb, McNair and others, there are huge problems.  

I&#039;m wondering if those Wunderlic scores are actually isolating a different measure: like a sense of needing to others to succeed or some other quality.  The article doesn&#039;t go into sufficient detail to give you a sense of the right brain-left brain components of the test.  (I would guess its weighted strongly to one side -- the left brain.)  

A right-brain player sees the big picture and is capable of implementing a game plan where they bear full responsibility for the outcome.  Right-brain players are not SYSTEM QBs.  They transcend systems...they&#039;re bigger and better than systems and they give defenses fits.

Eli Manning is a system QB.  Peyton is a system QB (it&#039;s his system, but he&#039;s a system QB).  Brady is a system QB.  Montana was a system QB.  I would not be surprised to see players who have excelled in systems do well on this exam.  

I believe these SuperMan QBs are largely right-brain players who see the big picture.  Roethlisberger plays like a right-brain QB.  So did Elway.  I believe Steve Young may have been the pinnacle of bridging both approaches to the game (that&#039;s why he has the highest passer rating of any QB in league history).  

When you think back about all the plays you remember from these various players, most of the guys with high scores appear to be system QBs...they&#039;re the guys who throw the ball away when the play breaks down.  The right brain guys don&#039;t do that...they don&#039;t always go through their progressions (at least not when they&#039;re young...when they get older they get much better).  Right brain guys tend to try to keep the play alive because they believe (rightly or wrongly) that they can make something happen -- either with their feet or their patience or some skill they&#039;ve picked up along the way.

I would be willing to bet that there is a fairly skewed distribution of QBs along this Wunderlic scale.  I&#039;d love to see the numbers and see how closely it corresponds to other metrics.  &quot;Scrambling yards&quot; isn&#039;t the best metric...I don&#039;t have a substitute, but the question is worth entertaining.  The Wunderlic test may be measuring something entirely different than what people think...I suspect that the most successful QBs may score right around the middle -- as long as their on a team with a solid system.

The middle ground players are probably able to do a bit of both.  The middle ground distribution may be as &quot;low&quot; as 12 (especially if Marino, Kelly and Bradshaw scored 15&#039;s -- assuming they didn&#039;t just blow the thing off.)  and as high as 28 (Peyton Manning&#039;s score).  

So, if you looked at the Wunderlic Test as a distribution, you&#039;d have:

High Scorers: 40 - 29
Mid Scorers: 28 - 12
Low Scorers: 11 - 0

Of course, with any &quot;test&quot; there are going to be exceptions.  I&#039;d love to know where the rings are clustered on that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Origin/Miranda:</p>
<p>Those test scores are pulling out something discernible to me.  I don&#8217;t believe its &#8220;intelligence.&#8221;  I believe it&#8217;s something else and it feels different than some other players.  At this point, it&#8217;s perception and I don&#8217;t have all the numbers &#8212; so I&#8217;d have to hold off.  I do believe there are some compelling common threads between these players.  </p>
<p>One &#8212; Among the low-scorers identified in the article, only Bradshaw has rings.  The first two were won largely by the defense even though TB was spectacular in SB X (Swann was MVP).  By the time they played SB XIII, the Steelers had the top offense in the league and were accomplished bombers.</p>
<p>Two &#8212; These guys all have cannon arms.  Not a single one of these players had less than an A-grade arm.  Their accuracy differed, but with respect to strength, you couldn&#8217;t pull another group of QBs with stronger arms than Bradshaw, Dan Marino, Jeff George, Mac 5, McNair, Vince Young and Jim Kelly.</p>
<p>Three &#8212; Each of these players had the reputation for winning games single-handedly.  Many of these players did it with their legs, but each was known for being able to do whatever they wanted on the field.  This is a Superman list with respect to physical ability.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there is someone, somewhere who still swears by this stuff.  Obviously if this system causes you to pass up guys like Marino, Kelly, McNabb, McNair and others, there are huge problems.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering if those Wunderlic scores are actually isolating a different measure: like a sense of needing to others to succeed or some other quality.  The article doesn&#8217;t go into sufficient detail to give you a sense of the right brain-left brain components of the test.  (I would guess its weighted strongly to one side &#8212; the left brain.)  </p>
<p>A right-brain player sees the big picture and is capable of implementing a game plan where they bear full responsibility for the outcome.  Right-brain players are not SYSTEM QBs.  They transcend systems&#8230;they&#8217;re bigger and better than systems and they give defenses fits.</p>
<p>Eli Manning is a system QB.  Peyton is a system QB (it&#8217;s his system, but he&#8217;s a system QB).  Brady is a system QB.  Montana was a system QB.  I would not be surprised to see players who have excelled in systems do well on this exam.  </p>
<p>I believe these SuperMan QBs are largely right-brain players who see the big picture.  Roethlisberger plays like a right-brain QB.  So did Elway.  I believe Steve Young may have been the pinnacle of bridging both approaches to the game (that&#8217;s why he has the highest passer rating of any QB in league history).  </p>
<p>When you think back about all the plays you remember from these various players, most of the guys with high scores appear to be system QBs&#8230;they&#8217;re the guys who throw the ball away when the play breaks down.  The right brain guys don&#8217;t do that&#8230;they don&#8217;t always go through their progressions (at least not when they&#8217;re young&#8230;when they get older they get much better).  Right brain guys tend to try to keep the play alive because they believe (rightly or wrongly) that they can make something happen &#8212; either with their feet or their patience or some skill they&#8217;ve picked up along the way.</p>
<p>I would be willing to bet that there is a fairly skewed distribution of QBs along this Wunderlic scale.  I&#8217;d love to see the numbers and see how closely it corresponds to other metrics.  &#8220;Scrambling yards&#8221; isn&#8217;t the best metric&#8230;I don&#8217;t have a substitute, but the question is worth entertaining.  The Wunderlic test may be measuring something entirely different than what people think&#8230;I suspect that the most successful QBs may score right around the middle &#8212; as long as their on a team with a solid system.</p>
<p>The middle ground players are probably able to do a bit of both.  The middle ground distribution may be as &#8220;low&#8221; as 12 (especially if Marino, Kelly and Bradshaw scored 15&#8242;s &#8212; assuming they didn&#8217;t just blow the thing off.)  and as high as 28 (Peyton Manning&#8217;s score).  </p>
<p>So, if you looked at the Wunderlic Test as a distribution, you&#8217;d have:</p>
<p>High Scorers: 40 &#8211; 29<br />
Mid Scorers: 28 &#8211; 12<br />
Low Scorers: 11 &#8211; 0</p>
<p>Of course, with any &#8220;test&#8221; there are going to be exceptions.  I&#8217;d love to know where the rings are clustered on that list.</p>
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		<title>By: origin</title>
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		<dc:creator>origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more Harvey.

Sista Miranda you and I must share the same brain. I saw that article yesterday and was going to post it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more Harvey.</p>
<p>Sista Miranda you and I must share the same brain. I saw that article yesterday and was going to post it.</p>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning 
Harvey. I&quot;m working and agree with you. If the eagles let McNabb go there would be a lot of teams lined up to sign him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning<br />
Harvey. I&#8221;m working and agree with you. If the eagles let McNabb go there would be a lot of teams lined up to sign him.</p>
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		<title>By: HarveyDent</title>
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		<dc:creator>HarveyDent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what really blows me away about McNabb though and that&#039;s the love he gets from fans of other teams as evidenced by most of the regulars on this board.  Even those of us who can&#039;t stand the Eagles give nothing but respect to him for his accomplishments on the field and the way he carries himself off of it.  That&#039;s why I always tell people who do crap on him that I&#039;m not a fan because he&#039;s Black but because he&#039;s a great QB and has been for a decade.

And my #7 comment was not a smart azz comment about Reid but just an observation that he could stand to lose a few pounds for his health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what really blows me away about McNabb though and that&#8217;s the love he gets from fans of other teams as evidenced by most of the regulars on this board.  Even those of us who can&#8217;t stand the Eagles give nothing but respect to him for his accomplishments on the field and the way he carries himself off of it.  That&#8217;s why I always tell people who do crap on him that I&#8217;m not a fan because he&#8217;s Black but because he&#8217;s a great QB and has been for a decade.</p>
<p>And my #7 comment was not a smart azz comment about Reid but just an observation that he could stand to lose a few pounds for his health.</p>
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		<title>By: HarveyDent</title>
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		<dc:creator>HarveyDent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 06:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, Miz, that&#039;s the way to end the Eagles/McNabb coverage for the &#039;08 season with a bang.  #5 is going to have to leave that class at the door this offseason when he goes to talk to the FO because it&#039;s time to get in some azzes and demand the Eagles pull the trigger on a true offensive weapon.  Forget that stuff about so-called baggage and get a wideout who may be a little off-kilter but has that &#039;want-to&#039; combined with the physical gifts to come to the team and terrify the whole league.

Here&#039;s my to do list for the Eagles before the start of training camp in Lehigh:

1. make McNabb an Eagle for the rest of his career
2. re-sign BDawk to a two-year contract
3. ditto Tra Thomas
4. wave goodbye to Jon Runyan, Greg Lewis, Reggie Brown, LJ Smith, and Correll Buckhalter.
5. draft either Beanie Wells or Javon Ringer
6. trade or sign for any of the following:  Ocho Cinco, Anquan Boldin, or Tony Gonzalez
7.  send Andy Reid to a health spa to lose weight and get away from those wild-azz kids and relieve him of front-office duties and tell him to concentrate on coaching especially the running game
8.  mix ingredients vigorously with the mantra of &#039;Lombardi&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, Miz, that&#8217;s the way to end the Eagles/McNabb coverage for the &#8217;08 season with a bang.  #5 is going to have to leave that class at the door this offseason when he goes to talk to the FO because it&#8217;s time to get in some azzes and demand the Eagles pull the trigger on a true offensive weapon.  Forget that stuff about so-called baggage and get a wideout who may be a little off-kilter but has that &#8216;want-to&#8217; combined with the physical gifts to come to the team and terrify the whole league.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my to do list for the Eagles before the start of training camp in Lehigh:</p>
<p>1. make McNabb an Eagle for the rest of his career<br />
2. re-sign BDawk to a two-year contract<br />
3. ditto Tra Thomas<br />
4. wave goodbye to Jon Runyan, Greg Lewis, Reggie Brown, LJ Smith, and Correll Buckhalter.<br />
5. draft either Beanie Wells or Javon Ringer<br />
6. trade or sign for any of the following:  Ocho Cinco, Anquan Boldin, or Tony Gonzalez<br />
7.  send Andy Reid to a health spa to lose weight and get away from those wild-azz kids and relieve him of front-office duties and tell him to concentrate on coaching especially the running game<br />
8.  mix ingredients vigorously with the mantra of &#8216;Lombardi&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/02/03/its-time-for-donovan-mcnabbs-legacy-to-be-law/comment-page-1/#comment-22918</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t really off topic, but thought y&#039;all might find this interesting:

http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/Football_7/Conversion_Rate.shtml
A study of the conversion rate of black quarterbacks in the NFL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t really off topic, but thought y&#8217;all might find this interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/Football_7/Conversion_Rate.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/Football_7/Conversion_Rate.shtml</a><br />
A study of the conversion rate of black quarterbacks in the NFL</p>
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