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		<title>By: Miranda</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/03/09/the-skip-bayless-interview-part-ii-colorful-conscious-and-of-course-controversial/#comment-24329</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SMH................oh for crying out loud...........sheesh........smh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SMH&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.oh for crying out loud&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..sheesh&#8230;&#8230;..smh</p>
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		<title>By: Realist1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realist1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Temple,

I've read through MODI's opinions of the ESPN articles. I'm going to need you to elaborate please on what specifically are the error of my ways before I can give you a proper response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Temple,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read through MODI&#8217;s opinions of the ESPN articles. I&#8217;m going to need you to elaborate please on what specifically are the error of my ways before I can give you a proper response.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you need an empirical analysis to demonstrate, the error of your ways, click the link below.

http://sportsonmymind.com/category/featurearticles/modi-features/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you need an empirical analysis to demonstrate, the error of your ways, click the link below.</p>
<p><a href="http://sportsonmymind.com/category/featurearticles/modi-features/" rel="nofollow">http://sportsonmymind.com/category/featurearticles/modi-features/</a></p>
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		<title>By: theRealist1</title>
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		<dc:creator>theRealist1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,

Again, I respect your opinion but it is just that. I see no facts to support your argument and I believe he definitely would have taken it to court if he thought he would have won. He had millions riding on it. If he wins, he's not going to prison and he's not getting suspended. I don't beleive Vick is being railroaded because he is black but I'm not saying its not a possibility. I can buy the argument that there is a problem with dogfighting and that he is the highest profile person out there and that getting him might send a message to those that are less profile. So I guess we both believe Poindexter but for different reasons. 

I think you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare Vicks coverage to Goodell's coverage. Vick was being charged with federal crimes and had a worldwide organization after him. Goodell wasn't being charged with a crime and didn't have any organization after him. What level of coverage do you think he should have received? Is there a level you would have been okay with? I don't llke how spygate was handled but no crimes were committed here.

I don't think Matt Jones is as recognizable as Vick or Patrick Kearney for that matter. If it was Manning, either one, he would be crucified by the media. Anyway thats my opinion, I don't like the media when they slam all this negative journalism don our throats. I don't always think its about race. I don't think Vick or Pac or Tank was immediately suspended which is what you appear to be asking for. The recent Matt Jones stuff is still pretty recent. I haven't been following it but I would expect at least a years suspension. 

I think your opinion that ESPN is or was working with the FEDs is pretty strong. I don't think you or anyone else can prove it. I simply think they are after ratings. I didn't watch the Pac story. I don't need to to know that his heart isnt where it needs to be. 

Patrick, we're going to have to agree that we have different opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,</p>
<p>Again, I respect your opinion but it is just that. I see no facts to support your argument and I believe he definitely would have taken it to court if he thought he would have won. He had millions riding on it. If he wins, he&#8217;s not going to prison and he&#8217;s not getting suspended. I don&#8217;t beleive Vick is being railroaded because he is black but I&#8217;m not saying its not a possibility. I can buy the argument that there is a problem with dogfighting and that he is the highest profile person out there and that getting him might send a message to those that are less profile. So I guess we both believe Poindexter but for different reasons. </p>
<p>I think you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare Vicks coverage to Goodell&#8217;s coverage. Vick was being charged with federal crimes and had a worldwide organization after him. Goodell wasn&#8217;t being charged with a crime and didn&#8217;t have any organization after him. What level of coverage do you think he should have received? Is there a level you would have been okay with? I don&#8217;t llke how spygate was handled but no crimes were committed here.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Matt Jones is as recognizable as Vick or Patrick Kearney for that matter. If it was Manning, either one, he would be crucified by the media. Anyway thats my opinion, I don&#8217;t like the media when they slam all this negative journalism don our throats. I don&#8217;t always think its about race. I don&#8217;t think Vick or Pac or Tank was immediately suspended which is what you appear to be asking for. The recent Matt Jones stuff is still pretty recent. I haven&#8217;t been following it but I would expect at least a years suspension. </p>
<p>I think your opinion that ESPN is or was working with the FEDs is pretty strong. I don&#8217;t think you or anyone else can prove it. I simply think they are after ratings. I didn&#8217;t watch the Pac story. I don&#8217;t need to to know that his heart isnt where it needs to be. </p>
<p>Patrick, we&#8217;re going to have to agree that we have different opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Headed to work the Sixers game fellas. If you have more than three links to your post your comment will be moderated. I'll be back after 12 tonight to approve the comments if you choose to add multiple links. Be Peace.</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realist1:

Vick was ultimately railroaded by the Commissioner  and the Feds to sign on to that graphic, yet vague indictment  BEFORE he officially plead guilty or attempt to take this to trial.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/articles/2007/07/24/nfl_orders_vick_out_of_training_camp/

It was a very publicized case, but the actions of Goddell were unprecedented and targeted...

Gerald Poindexter, who was the state attorney handling the case saw a double standard as well..

Poindexter said he was "absolutely floored" that federal officials got involved, and that he believes he and Sheriff Harold D. Brown handled the investigation properly.

"Apparently these people want it," Poindexter said. "They want it, and I don't believe they want it because of the serious criminal consequences involved. ... They want it because Michael Vick may be involved."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2897066

Keep in mind, Vick had never been arrested before and a first time offender, but treated like he was Lawrence Phillips, Maurice Clarett, Rae Caruth and others...

And realist1, the 'double standard' rule does come into affect... the way the press perceived Goddell's role in the Spygate situation and the slap on the wrist of Belicheck and also how he handled the Matt Jones case..

Matt Jones isn't Michael Vick, but Jones is a millionaire, an NFL player and a starter for the 2008 Jaguars and is relatively known, but his situation was treated more cautiously by the legal system and the press.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3965961

People such as yourself discredit Vick's abilities as a QB, but at the same time lift him to another status when it comes to a legal situation like this.

In March 2007, former Falcon defensive end, Patrick Kerney was involved in a situation, but the local and national media kept it under wraps.

Kerney is white and not as popular as Vick, but Kerney is making 6 or 7 million dollars a year and been to Pro Bowls and is well-known among Atlanta..and he is a NFL player... Where was Goddell here? Another example of an apparent racial double standard...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/11299240/detail.html

Call WSB-TV in Atlanta or the AJC? This March 2007 case was never solved and just faded away...if that was Vick or Vince Young or McNabb or even Albert Haynesworth, it would not have just FADED AWAY...

ESPN push this Vick indictment, in my opinion, and colluded with the FBI..remember the Kelli Naqi interview that said Vick was a 'pit bull dogfighter'?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063

ESPN was actively trying to influence an investigation with a criminal informant...

And tried to do the same thing with Pac Man Jones THIS YEAR, but he threatened to SUE ESPN and few days later, the person who accused Jones of arranging a hit BECAME PUBLIC and it was someone who was currently on trial for murder in Atlanta...

ESPN's 'hit' job on Vick with that Kelli Naqi Outside The lines piece was instrumental in having the Feds come in and pursuing the indictment..

Vick didn't have Billy Martin and actually was urged by the late Gene Upshaw to 'lawyer up', but ESPN tried to be the story..It didn't quite work with Pac Man in regards to him arranging a hit, but it worked with Vick two years ago.

The Feds had Vick in a corner and were willing to tie him up in court (if he had gone to trial) for YEARS...so he made a decision to plea guilty to get back on the field as fast as he can... If Vick would have taken this to trial, he would have won, but at what cost? Vick took responsibility for everything, because it was his only option after Goddell decided to suspend him indefinitely prior to him pleading guilty and accepting a plea agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realist1:</p>
<p>Vick was ultimately railroaded by the Commissioner  and the Feds to sign on to that graphic, yet vague indictment  BEFORE he officially plead guilty or attempt to take this to trial.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/football/articles/2007/07/24/nfl_orders_vick_out_of_training_camp/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/sports/football/articles/2007/07/24/nfl_orders_vick_out_of_training_camp/</a></p>
<p>It was a very publicized case, but the actions of Goddell were unprecedented and targeted&#8230;</p>
<p>Gerald Poindexter, who was the state attorney handling the case saw a double standard as well..</p>
<p>Poindexter said he was &#8220;absolutely floored&#8221; that federal officials got involved, and that he believes he and Sheriff Harold D. Brown handled the investigation properly.</p>
<p>&#8220;Apparently these people want it,&#8221; Poindexter said. &#8220;They want it, and I don&#8217;t believe they want it because of the serious criminal consequences involved. &#8230; They want it because Michael Vick may be involved.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2897066" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2897066</a></p>
<p>Keep in mind, Vick had never been arrested before and a first time offender, but treated like he was Lawrence Phillips, Maurice Clarett, Rae Caruth and others&#8230;</p>
<p>And realist1, the &#8216;double standard&#8217; rule does come into affect&#8230; the way the press perceived Goddell&#8217;s role in the Spygate situation and the slap on the wrist of Belicheck and also how he handled the Matt Jones case..</p>
<p>Matt Jones isn&#8217;t Michael Vick, but Jones is a millionaire, an NFL player and a starter for the 2008 Jaguars and is relatively known, but his situation was treated more cautiously by the legal system and the press.</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3965961" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3965961</a></p>
<p>People such as yourself discredit Vick&#8217;s abilities as a QB, but at the same time lift him to another status when it comes to a legal situation like this.</p>
<p>In March 2007, former Falcon defensive end, Patrick Kerney was involved in a situation, but the local and national media kept it under wraps.</p>
<p>Kerney is white and not as popular as Vick, but Kerney is making 6 or 7 million dollars a year and been to Pro Bowls and is well-known among Atlanta..and he is a NFL player&#8230; Where was Goddell here? Another example of an apparent racial double standard&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsbtv.com/news/11299240/detail.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsbtv.com/news/11299240/detail.html</a></p>
<p>Call WSB-TV in Atlanta or the AJC? This March 2007 case was never solved and just faded away&#8230;if that was Vick or Vince Young or McNabb or even Albert Haynesworth, it would not have just FADED AWAY&#8230;</p>
<p>ESPN push this Vick indictment, in my opinion, and colluded with the FBI..remember the Kelli Naqi interview that said Vick was a &#8216;pit bull dogfighter&#8217;?</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063</a></p>
<p>ESPN was actively trying to influence an investigation with a criminal informant&#8230;</p>
<p>And tried to do the same thing with Pac Man Jones THIS YEAR, but he threatened to SUE ESPN and few days later, the person who accused Jones of arranging a hit BECAME PUBLIC and it was someone who was currently on trial for murder in Atlanta&#8230;</p>
<p>ESPN&#8217;s &#8216;hit&#8217; job on Vick with that Kelli Naqi Outside The lines piece was instrumental in having the Feds come in and pursuing the indictment..</p>
<p>Vick didn&#8217;t have Billy Martin and actually was urged by the late Gene Upshaw to &#8216;lawyer up&#8217;, but ESPN tried to be the story..It didn&#8217;t quite work with Pac Man in regards to him arranging a hit, but it worked with Vick two years ago.</p>
<p>The Feds had Vick in a corner and were willing to tie him up in court (if he had gone to trial) for YEARS&#8230;so he made a decision to plea guilty to get back on the field as fast as he can&#8230; If Vick would have taken this to trial, he would have won, but at what cost? Vick took responsibility for everything, because it was his only option after Goddell decided to suspend him indefinitely prior to him pleading guilty and accepting a plea agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: theRealist1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,

I respect your opinion, but you gave a quote from Vick in an Atlanta newspaper where he says and I'm paraphrasing "I didn't do it." Okay. He said he didn't do it so he must be telling the truth. If everyone who was ever accused of a crime and said they didn't do it was in fact telling the truth, we would have empty prisons. I gave you my opinion but if you want proof then I'll post a link to what Vick admitted to in court papers. You'll find that he admitted to the killing of dogs amongst other things he initially denied. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=munson_lester&#38;id=2993310

You stated that Andy Reid's kids were convicted of drug dealing from Andy Reid's home. The link you posted there actually says no charges have been filed at this time however I am aware that they (the kids) were charged later. I saw a news story here just yesterday were two young black men were pulled over for a violation (I don't remember what it was) and the car was searched after determining that both men had outstanding warrants they found drugs that were in the shapes of Bart Simpson heads (I don't remember the drug). Should I suspect their parents are drug dealers if the car belongs to one of their parents? No. I shouldn't. That's a big problem in our society. No one wants to be responsible for their own actions. I think you were some how trying the Reid story to support some kind of argument that Vick was guilty by association. Vick, before his admittal, was being named as a participant by his associates. Reid, to my knowledge, was never accused of participating in his son's activites. 


I did have a problem with the destroying of the spygate tapes. I think they should have been made public. I do think it was fishy, but it wasn't illegal. Steroid possession, use, and distribution is illegal without proper license and authority. No, I don't think the spygate tapes warrant a congressional hearing or a federal investigation. I'm tired of my taxpayer dollars getting wasted on this stuff when our economy is in a downward spiral. I don't think Congress or the Feds should have been involved in the steroid issue either. I think its a matter for local authorities. Oh, I think Roger Clemens is a liar and a cheat as well. 

I'm no fan of PETA. When I think of PETA I think of a bunch of crazy white women that love animals probably to the point of idolitry. So I guess I'm racist against my own kind and sexist too. I do not support PETA because I do not agree with their methods such as destroying the property of others. I am against cruelty to animals but you will never find me with a PETA membership. 

I wan't to go back to Vick for second. I did eventually apologize and said he was turning his life over to God. That's all I want from anybody. I forgave him. Now when he gets out I think he should have the privilege to play football again and I think owners should have the right not to hire him if the choose not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,</p>
<p>I respect your opinion, but you gave a quote from Vick in an Atlanta newspaper where he says and I&#8217;m paraphrasing &#8220;I didn&#8217;t do it.&#8221; Okay. He said he didn&#8217;t do it so he must be telling the truth. If everyone who was ever accused of a crime and said they didn&#8217;t do it was in fact telling the truth, we would have empty prisons. I gave you my opinion but if you want proof then I&#8217;ll post a link to what Vick admitted to in court papers. You&#8217;ll find that he admitted to the killing of dogs amongst other things he initially denied. </p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=munson_lester&amp;id=2993310" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=munson_lester&amp;id=2993310</a></p>
<p>You stated that Andy Reid&#8217;s kids were convicted of drug dealing from Andy Reid&#8217;s home. The link you posted there actually says no charges have been filed at this time however I am aware that they (the kids) were charged later. I saw a news story here just yesterday were two young black men were pulled over for a violation (I don&#8217;t remember what it was) and the car was searched after determining that both men had outstanding warrants they found drugs that were in the shapes of Bart Simpson heads (I don&#8217;t remember the drug). Should I suspect their parents are drug dealers if the car belongs to one of their parents? No. I shouldn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s a big problem in our society. No one wants to be responsible for their own actions. I think you were some how trying the Reid story to support some kind of argument that Vick was guilty by association. Vick, before his admittal, was being named as a participant by his associates. Reid, to my knowledge, was never accused of participating in his son&#8217;s activites. </p>
<p>I did have a problem with the destroying of the spygate tapes. I think they should have been made public. I do think it was fishy, but it wasn&#8217;t illegal. Steroid possession, use, and distribution is illegal without proper license and authority. No, I don&#8217;t think the spygate tapes warrant a congressional hearing or a federal investigation. I&#8217;m tired of my taxpayer dollars getting wasted on this stuff when our economy is in a downward spiral. I don&#8217;t think Congress or the Feds should have been involved in the steroid issue either. I think its a matter for local authorities. Oh, I think Roger Clemens is a liar and a cheat as well. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no fan of PETA. When I think of PETA I think of a bunch of crazy white women that love animals probably to the point of idolitry. So I guess I&#8217;m racist against my own kind and sexist too. I do not support PETA because I do not agree with their methods such as destroying the property of others. I am against cruelty to animals but you will never find me with a PETA membership. </p>
<p>I wan&#8217;t to go back to Vick for second. I did eventually apologize and said he was turning his life over to God. That&#8217;s all I want from anybody. I forgave him. Now when he gets out I think he should have the privilege to play football again and I think owners should have the right not to hire him if the choose not to.</p>
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