Comments on: Joe Johnson and the Atlanta Hawks Defeat Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat in Game 7 http://thestartingfive.net/2009/05/04/joe-johnson-and-the-atlanta-hawks-defeat-dwyane-wade-and-the-miami-heat-in-game-7/ Bangin’ and Scorin’ Every Trip Down the Floor Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:49:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Miranda http://thestartingfive.net/2009/05/04/joe-johnson-and-the-atlanta-hawks-defeat-dwyane-wade-and-the-miami-heat-in-game-7/comment-page-1/#comment-25482 Miranda Wed, 06 May 2009 11:26:37 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/?p=5256#comment-25482 T3...the marketing of the Hawks in Atlanta consists of............... nothing. The coverage of the Hawks by the AJC and local sports radio is........... nil. T3…the marketing of the Hawks in Atlanta consists of……………

nothing.

The coverage of the Hawks by the AJC and local sports radio is………..

nil.

]]> By: Temple3 http://thestartingfive.net/2009/05/04/joe-johnson-and-the-atlanta-hawks-defeat-dwyane-wade-and-the-miami-heat-in-game-7/comment-page-1/#comment-25440 Temple3 Mon, 04 May 2009 21:04:58 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/?p=5256#comment-25440 Patrick, I couldn't agree more -- except that I'd be happy if neither Williams nor Smith shot a bunch of threes and they just worked on their post game and mid-range games to drill teams to death. They could make the game beautifully easy if they hone their craft from 8 to 18 feet. It will make the dunks easier and the 3's easier. It will make passing easier. Mentioning Anthony, Granger and West is right on target. All are lethal mid-range players that make defenses play on their heels because their tool kits have so many gadgets. Patrick, I couldn’t agree more — except that I’d be happy if neither Williams nor Smith shot a bunch of threes and they just worked on their post game and mid-range games to drill teams to death. They could make the game beautifully easy if they hone their craft from 8 to 18 feet. It will make the dunks easier and the 3′s easier. It will make passing easier.

Mentioning Anthony, Granger and West is right on target. All are lethal mid-range players that make defenses play on their heels because their tool kits have so many gadgets.

]]> By: Temple3 http://thestartingfive.net/2009/05/04/joe-johnson-and-the-atlanta-hawks-defeat-dwyane-wade-and-the-miami-heat-in-game-7/comment-page-1/#comment-25439 Temple3 Mon, 04 May 2009 21:00:06 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/?p=5256#comment-25439 So is ATL "star-obsessed" or "numb to celebrity"? So is ATL “star-obsessed” or “numb to celebrity”?

]]> By: Patrick http://thestartingfive.net/2009/05/04/joe-johnson-and-the-atlanta-hawks-defeat-dwyane-wade-and-the-miami-heat-in-game-7/comment-page-1/#comment-25436 Patrick Mon, 04 May 2009 20:26:05 +0000 http://thestartingfive.net/?p=5256#comment-25436 ...."The exponential growth and maturation of Josh Smith, Marvin Williams and Al Horford cannot be understated.... Josh Smith has been up and down, but he has showed the most growth among the three aforementioned... Al Horford is only in his second year, but he needs to improve his offensive low-post game. However, the growth and maturation of the younger Hawks players has been over-stated, and one the bigger disappointments is Marvin Williams. Marvin Williams has regressed in my opinion. The former second overall pick was picked in the same 2005 class of Chris Paul and Deron Williams and other players such as New York's Nate Robinson, Indiana's Danny Granger and the Lakers' Andrew Bynum. The aforementioned players have had more of a 'exponential' impact on their respective teams than Marvin Williams. Williams is not a leader, but more of a follower. Paul is a leader. Deron Williams is a leader. Even Nate Robinson is very vocal on the court with strong leadership qualities. Williams does average double figure-- a modest 13-14 points a game, but he rarely plays out of his comfort zone. Marvin often disappears in games and only in this past 2008-09 season, he started shooting three pointers. Marvin is a limited player (right now). He still has potential, but he has been in the league FOUR YEARS and its time for him to show his potential and play up to his draft status. It may seem that I am overly critical of Marvin, but when people talk about the youth movement with the Hawks, the success or failure of Marvin Williams or the growth of Marvin Williams is essential if the Hawks are to continue growing with the current group of players they have now. Williams has the best offensive skillset outside of Joe Johnson and when you mix in Marvin's 6'9 240 pound frame, he should be emulating the things that Carmelo Anthony, Danny Granger or David West are doing. Right now that's not happening. Josh Smith shouldn't be shooting three's, that needs to be Marvin's job. However, Marvin is too tentative, yet is very capable of making the shots. Josh has no conscience in shooting threes, but he needs to focus on rebounding and blocking shots and perfecting his low-post moves. Marvin may say the right things to the media, but its put or shut up. Joe Johnson has been silent for most of the Miami series, but Marvin has to really step up (if he can) because he is injured--again. The Hawks need a Carmelo Anthony-type performance or even a JR Smith type performance from the former UNC one-year star to provide validation that he is a true franchise player and that he is a legitimate cog in the youth movement in Atlanta. Marvin has to show up in the Cleveland series, and then we can truly judge there is "exponential growth"... ….”The exponential growth and maturation of Josh Smith, Marvin Williams and Al Horford cannot be understated….

Josh Smith has been up and down, but he has showed the most growth among the three aforementioned… Al Horford is only in his second year, but he needs to improve his offensive low-post game.

However, the growth and maturation of the younger Hawks players has been over-stated, and one the bigger disappointments is Marvin Williams.

Marvin Williams has regressed in my opinion. The former second overall pick was picked in the same 2005 class of Chris Paul and Deron Williams and other players such as New York’s Nate Robinson, Indiana’s Danny Granger and the Lakers’ Andrew Bynum. The aforementioned players have had more of a ‘exponential’ impact on their respective teams than Marvin Williams.

Williams is not a leader, but more of a follower. Paul is a leader. Deron Williams is a leader. Even Nate Robinson is very vocal on the court with strong leadership qualities.

Williams does average double figure– a modest 13-14 points a game, but he rarely plays out of his comfort zone. Marvin often disappears in games and only in this past 2008-09 season, he started shooting three pointers. Marvin is a limited player (right now). He still has potential, but he has been in the league FOUR YEARS and its time for him to show his potential and play up to his draft status.

It may seem that I am overly critical of Marvin, but when people talk about the youth movement with the Hawks, the success or failure of Marvin Williams or the growth of Marvin Williams is essential if the Hawks are to continue growing with the current group of players they have now.

Williams has the best offensive skillset outside of Joe Johnson and when you mix in Marvin’s 6’9 240 pound frame, he should be emulating the things that Carmelo Anthony, Danny Granger or David West are doing.

Right now that’s not happening.

Josh Smith shouldn’t be shooting three’s, that needs to be Marvin’s job. However, Marvin is too tentative, yet is very capable of making the shots. Josh has no conscience in shooting threes, but he needs to focus on rebounding and blocking shots and perfecting his low-post moves.

Marvin may say the right things to the media, but its put or shut up.

Joe Johnson has been silent for most of the Miami series, but Marvin has to really step up (if he can) because he is injured–again.

The Hawks need a Carmelo Anthony-type performance or even a JR Smith type performance from the former UNC one-year star to provide validation that he is a true franchise player and that he is a legitimate cog in the youth movement in Atlanta.

Marvin has to show up in the Cleveland series, and then we can truly judge there is “exponential growth”…

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