Comments on: Wednesday Morning Starting Five: The Brett Favre Take Your Ball and Go Home Edition

By: Ed

Ed — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:55 +0000

I tend to disagree the Vikings have everything in line to make a playoff run except QB. There is a reason that QB is considered the most important position in the NFL. And yes Kurt Warner has had some great wide recievers but how good has ST louis been without him. A great QB can make a Wr great but very seldom does a great Wr make a QB great. Plus a great QB can make a coach look good too. I have disagreed with slot of what childress has done especially when have gave the starting QB job to an unproven raw young tarvaris Jackson when the rest of the team is filled with veterens that are ready to win now.
And if you are wondering why the Vikes merit SB consideration, because they have as much talent as any team in the NFC. What had the Giants done in the playoffs before they won it all or the Cardinals for that matter. Just because you don’t have a great track record does not mean they can’t win it all. That was then this is now. With the talent they have they could compete for a title what’s holding them back is the play of the QB. Farve is not the answer, TJack is not the answer, and God forbid helicopter Roesenfels is not the answer. That is the most depresing fact of being a Viking fan.

By: Temple3

Temple3 — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:25:25 +0000

Minnesota is about to get exactly what they deserve.

Favre was almost always a mediocre performer in Minnesota. The Vikings held him to under 200 yards passing in EIGHT of 16 career games: HALF. Favre was only 6-10 vs. the Vikings and has averaged an INT/game in on the road. He had five games with 300 yards passing; but he had five games where he failed to throw a TD pass.

Who knows. Maybe Brett can pick his game up at age 55 (or however old he is.) In any event, I would not be surprised to see him flounder for most of the season. He’ll have a few outstanding games — he always does, but he’s not the answer — and hasn’t been since 1997.

By: Mizzo

Mizzo — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:51:34 +0000

You also have a unproven head coach. Trust me, as a Eagles fan I know.

Make a decision on qb and stick with it.

What is going to be the stock response if Brett comes in and continues his meteoric interception rate?

Who will be to blame then? Tavaris because he sent in the wrong signals?

Come on. QB play isn’t the only problem there and it’s obvious.

Childress and the front office have been way too impatient and listen to the fans and press way too much.

Grow some and live with it.

By: Mizzo

Mizzo — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:42:07 +0000

The Eagles lost to the Cardinals because they didn’t have Larry Fitzgerald lining up. He was the MVP in that game. Way too much credit given to Warner. He’s had a bevy of superior receivers during his NFL career that most would faint over.

The Vikings were blown out in 2000…hence the non mention. Crew Pop (media stack until a local story becomes national) got Daunte traded. Public relations is a bitch.

What have they really done record and playoff wise to merit SB consideration. You can give me stats all day and it wouldn’t mean a thing.

I think most fans look around the league for trends and think those same trends will translate to their particular team. That is almost never the case.

Again before Tavaris was drafted, what have the Vikings accomplished to merit this outstanding consideration?

This needs to be explained before we get into what exactly is the problem there. Seriously.

By: Ed

Ed — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:19:13 +0000

I totally agree with the learning curve. When tjack was drafted everyone said he was talented but he was raw so what do the Vikes do? The name him starter after his rookie year.
However the vikes went to the Nfc championship in 2000 and had the runner up in the MVP voting in 02 with Daunte. Once we got rid of Moss we fell off. However last year we had the #1 defense and the #1 rushing offense. The only thing missing is a solid Qb. Look at the teams that have been in the SB in the last few years, they all have above average QB. To think we wouldn’t have gone farther with better play from the QB is just dumb. As far as a track record we have had a top 5 defense 3 years in a row and the best running offense 2 years in a row, plus we have had poor play from our QB three years in a row. That sounds like a track record to me.
Yes the eagles were very good last year but even they could not get past great play from a great QB in Kurt Warner.

By: Mizzo

Mizzo — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:12:09 +0000

Ed with all due respect…and thanks for coming on the site…but the Vikings haven’t done shit since ’98 and are the sudden considered a SB contender. It’s the scrutiny that slammed TJ against the wall on draft day that bothers this site. Where’s the learning curve?

The Eagles were arguably the hottest team in the league at that point. Minny was not winning that game no matter who the hell the qb was.

Why doesn’t Jimmy Johnson get credit for a stellar defensive game plan?

What is this Vikings slurping in the absence of a successful track record.

Do something first.

By: Ed

Ed — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:57:26 +0000

I don’t know what drugs y’alls on but T Jack is not a good Qb. First off be did not lead the Vikes to the playoffs. He started the season 0-2 looking like he did not belong in the Nfl. He then came back after we were already in position to make the playoffs and had a couple good to very good games. But let’s be honest about the Arizona game that was not the same team that went to the superbowl. They had just secured their playoff spot the week before and were still hungover. Hell T Jack only had to throw the ball 17 times. Also we lost to Atlanta and barely beat the giants who rested true starters after the first quarter. Then went and laid an egg against the Eagles. He had a chance to make it his job forever with that game and what did he do? He went 15-35 with 0 tds and an int. Remeber that game was at home.
I agree with you on Cambell. He would look great in Purple, much better than a 39 year old ex Packer. But come take ylour head out yo but TJack is not a starter in the Nfl.

By: TC

TC — Thu, 07 May 2009 11:37:59 +0000

Brett Favre just won’t go away. And it won’t end well for him. Why was there so much conjecture about Michael’s return supposedly sullying his legacy and yet there’s none about Brett’s? I honestly wished MJ had stayed away (always leave ‘em wanting more, as Johnny Carson said – and apparently Barry Sanders learned that lesson) but Brett seems a lot more desperate. Thing is, if the sports media would not have coddled him so much when he was younger, he might not seek their plaudits and re-enforcement quite so much. Honestly, his ego muddies the water in GB, he forces Jeff Garcia to go down to Miami when the Jets abandon sanity to sign him – and guess who got the last laugh in that one. Really, Brett is surrounded by sycophants and people who just can’t tell the man he needs to quit. Not to mention Minny doesn’t need him.

By: Miranda

Miranda — Thu, 07 May 2009 00:57:01 +0000

Brett Favre can’t retire. 6 months after he is forced to really do it, his wife is going to leave him and we will all read about his battle with painkillers.

By: Jerold Wells Jr.

Jerold Wells Jr. — Wed, 06 May 2009 21:30:56 +0000

“If you really watched the Eagles game and saw what he had to work with, you’d have to conclude that he played well enough for the team to win. They just didn’t have the weapons and were overmatched.”

AMEN TO THAT BROTHER TEMPLE!!!!

The poor man just doesn’t have much to work with. Berrian is a #2 making #1 money and giving #3 production. Shiancoe is the best recieving threat on that team but he’s limited physically and therefore easy to contain.

Sadly Tarvaris doesn’t have the backing and confidence of the organization to downright demand some help.

Oh and we don’t need Favre.

By: Temple3

Temple3 — Wed, 06 May 2009 19:52:18 +0000

Patrick:

Great job on Tavaris Jackson. I actually have had a bit of correspondence with KC Joyner over the years. He’s very cool and accessible. He’s also objective as hell — I think. He watches games and he doesn’t reach — he just lays it out there. His metrics are tight and very revealing.

Jackson can play. If you really watched the Eagles game and saw what he had to work with, you’d have to conclude that he played well enough for the team to win. They just didn’t have the weapons and were overmatched.

I watched the Philly game several times on NFL Replay. He made one bad decision of note in that game and surrendered an INT touchdown to Asante Samuel, but on the next drive, he came right back and led his team down the field for a touchdown. Peterson ran it in from close. The Vikings had the game within reach…and who knows what happens if they have more than Bernard Berrian on the field.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Wed, 06 May 2009 19:19:35 +0000

Another possible candidate for replacing Souter may be current Massachusetts governor, Deval Patrick.

Gov. Patrick has strong qualifications, and I am wondering how he and Clarence Thomas would view issues of race.

>>…”In 1994, Bill Clinton nominated Patrick Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division, subsequently confirmed by the Senate. As the head of the Civil Rights Division, Patrick worked on issues including racial profiling, police misconduct, fair lending enforcement, human trafficking, prosecution of hate crime, abortion clinic violence and discrimination based on gender and disability. He led what was (before the September 11, 2001 attacks) the largest federal criminal investigation in history as co-chair of the Task Force investigating the arsons of synagogues and African American churches in the South in the mid 1990′s. He had a key role as an adviser to post-apartheid South Africa during this time and helped draft that country’s civil rights laws…”>>

Gov. Patrick would be a solid choice as well (in my opinion)…

By: Patrick

Patrick — Wed, 06 May 2009 18:57:50 +0000

Conservatives (led by Chief Justice John Roberts) are attempting to use New Haven’s reverse discrimination case as precedent to overturn affirmative action.

We do have a African-American president, but application of affirmation is still needed in this country. As many of you know, the political climate can change in a heartbeat and a Second ‘Reconstruction’ period could begin.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-affirmative5-2009may05,0,4391145.story

>>>…”Opponents of affirmative action hope the U.S. Supreme Court will use a Connecticut case to prohibit cities from making even modest efforts to promote racial diversity in their workforces. The justices shouldn’t let the peculiar facts of the case force them into a rigid decision….”>>>

By: Eric Daniels

Eric Daniels — Wed, 06 May 2009 18:53:40 +0000

Temple you are totally right about Afghanistan and our actions and Patrick, I think Farve is a more divisive teamate than Terrell because for all of his screaming and throwing QBS under the bus Owens feels like the team wins when they get the ball in his arms and you know he loves the game and wants to win, I think Childress, Wolf and Bevill are under the illusion that Farve is the player of 2007 and the Minneasota defense is the Ravens and the Steelers and all they need is a QB and it’s off to Miami.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Wed, 06 May 2009 18:45:25 +0000

Eric,

I believe there would a team mutiny within the Vikings if Favre is allowed to muscle his way onto that team.

Favre is a homewrecker, plain and simple.

Tavaris’ football teammates respect Jackson (and believe he can win games) and Childress is foolish to go through with this. I really believe the engine behind this is Darrell Bevill, Jackson’s traitorous offensive coordinator. Bevill needs to be replaced!