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	<title>Comments on: Lakers 101, Magic 96: Orlando Almost Does All It Can and Still Loses Game 2</title>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizzo:

That&#039;s an explanation that I can live with.  Initially, I thought you were arguing along the lines of Jabbar not having a great deal of intensity because it was largely imperceptible.  I feel where you&#039;re coming from now.

Dan Marino.  Ouch!!  You could be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizzo:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an explanation that I can live with.  Initially, I thought you were arguing along the lines of Jabbar not having a great deal of intensity because it was largely imperceptible.  I feel where you&#8217;re coming from now.</p>
<p>Dan Marino.  Ouch!!  You could be right.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kareem was a bad man. He&#039;s my second best center of all time. You said who would you rather go with teaching. Speaking with both, I&#039;d go with Patrick because the coach in me sees more patience in Ewing. Kareem was just too good and is rightfully bitter (he doesn&#039;t show it) he never got a head coaching job in the L...which is bullshit. How can that happen? He&#039;s one of the best of all time. Who better to learn from but the best?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kareem was a bad man. He&#8217;s my second best center of all time. You said who would you rather go with teaching. Speaking with both, I&#8217;d go with Patrick because the coach in me sees more patience in Ewing. Kareem was just too good and is rightfully bitter (he doesn&#8217;t show it) he never got a head coaching job in the L&#8230;which is bullshit. How can that happen? He&#8217;s one of the best of all time. Who better to learn from but the best?</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s not about not giving the Lakers credit. It&#039;s all about the athlete. Dwight is gonna be hot if these cats get a ring and he never does. 

Rebounding is about effort. Dwight lets the opposition slip under him on the box way too much, putting him in jeopardy of over the back fouls. Watch him tonight. 

Yes he&#039;s young and he will learn but the time is now. Not later. Marino anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s not about not giving the Lakers credit. It&#8217;s all about the athlete. Dwight is gonna be hot if these cats get a ring and he never does. </p>
<p>Rebounding is about effort. Dwight lets the opposition slip under him on the box way too much, putting him in jeopardy of over the back fouls. Watch him tonight. </p>
<p>Yes he&#8217;s young and he will learn but the time is now. Not later. Marino anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerold:

I think we agree. 

I didn&#039;t mention Jabbar as a point of comparison for what Dwight Howard is doing.  That would be unfair to say the least.  I only mentioned Jabbar in the context of his tenacity and ability to consistently deliver on both ends of the floor and in all phases of the game (part of an earlier convo upthread with Mizzo about coaching D. Howard).

I most definitely agree about the Lakers length.  That was my key to the Denver series -- same thing here.  And I also think you&#039;re right in suggesting that Mizzo isn&#039;t giving the Lake Show enough credit.  Still, I can see his point -- these guys do not evoke images of strong defense in any form or fashion -- but they are blocking shots and pulling boards.  They did it against Denver and they&#039;re doing it again vs. ORL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerold:</p>
<p>I think we agree. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mention Jabbar as a point of comparison for what Dwight Howard is doing.  That would be unfair to say the least.  I only mentioned Jabbar in the context of his tenacity and ability to consistently deliver on both ends of the floor and in all phases of the game (part of an earlier convo upthread with Mizzo about coaching D. Howard).</p>
<p>I most definitely agree about the Lakers length.  That was my key to the Denver series &#8212; same thing here.  And I also think you&#8217;re right in suggesting that Mizzo isn&#8217;t giving the Lake Show enough credit.  Still, I can see his point &#8212; these guys do not evoke images of strong defense in any form or fashion &#8212; but they are blocking shots and pulling boards.  They did it against Denver and they&#8217;re doing it again vs. ORL.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerold Wells Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerold Wells Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Temple
I think it&#039;s about evolution. I mean he&#039;s 24! No college. Dude is learning on the job. 6 years in the league means what exactly? His defense arrived waaaaaaaay before his offense. We&#039;ve seen this with him before. He was schooled by the Pistons too. The Lakers are long man.  Plus dude still doesn&#039;t have a go to move. I remember that being a critique of David Robinson as well. Thing is Big Dave could shoot facing up from 10-12 feet. I mean he won a scoring title for crying out loud. Dwight may want to look into the &quot;throw it up and go get my own misses&quot; method. Then again he&#039;d still have to go through 2-3 bodies to retrieve his misses.  

@Mizzo
You gotta give the Lakers credit man. I&#039;m not going to stop singing this song!!!!! Gasol is doing his thing. He&#039;s scoring (while shooting a decent percentage) and rebounding. Bynum is being a legit center for 5 minute stretches and L.O. is really getting it in. You keep asking for Dwight to be montrous but it&#039;s not fair to ask him to play 3 on 1. These dudes aren&#039;t bums man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Temple<br />
I think it&#8217;s about evolution. I mean he&#8217;s 24! No college. Dude is learning on the job. 6 years in the league means what exactly? His defense arrived waaaaaaaay before his offense. We&#8217;ve seen this with him before. He was schooled by the Pistons too. The Lakers are long man.  Plus dude still doesn&#8217;t have a go to move. I remember that being a critique of David Robinson as well. Thing is Big Dave could shoot facing up from 10-12 feet. I mean he won a scoring title for crying out loud. Dwight may want to look into the &#8220;throw it up and go get my own misses&#8221; method. Then again he&#8217;d still have to go through 2-3 bodies to retrieve his misses.  </p>
<p>@Mizzo<br />
You gotta give the Lakers credit man. I&#8217;m not going to stop singing this song!!!!! Gasol is doing his thing. He&#8217;s scoring (while shooting a decent percentage) and rebounding. Bynum is being a legit center for 5 minute stretches and L.O. is really getting it in. You keep asking for Dwight to be montrous but it&#8217;s not fair to ask him to play 3 on 1. These dudes aren&#8217;t bums man.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line:

I don&#039;t know if the gap between what is and what can be with Dwight Howard is about energy or execution.  

Finally, Kareem&#039;s methods were just as African as Ewing&#039;s.  I know what you meant, but a little precision here is always appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the gap between what is and what can be with Dwight Howard is about energy or execution.  </p>
<p>Finally, Kareem&#8217;s methods were just as African as Ewing&#8217;s.  I know what you meant, but a little precision here is always appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizzo:

To each his own, but...

When Kareem was doing stuff like averaging 28 points, 17 rebounds, 5 assists and 4 blocks, what exactly was that?  

Only Kareem and Chamberlain were as dominant in these 4 statistical categories -- and Kareem didn&#039;t have a Russell or an Olajuwon to steal his thunder.  He was the thunder and the lightning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizzo:</p>
<p>To each his own, but&#8230;</p>
<p>When Kareem was doing stuff like averaging 28 points, 17 rebounds, 5 assists and 4 blocks, what exactly was that?  </p>
<p>Only Kareem and Chamberlain were as dominant in these 4 statistical categories &#8212; and Kareem didn&#8217;t have a Russell or an Olajuwon to steal his thunder.  He was the thunder and the lightning.</p>
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		<title>By: NBA Finals Game 3 Preview: How Will the Magic Hold Serve Against the Lakers? &#124; The Starting Five</title>
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		<dc:creator>NBA Finals Game 3 Preview: How Will the Magic Hold Serve Against the Lakers? &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not all his fault. He&#8217;s getting better. Yeah, I go hard on Dwight, but my criticism of is grounded in his vast potential. This is not about creating a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not all his fault. He&#8217;s getting better. Yeah, I go hard on Dwight, but my criticism of is grounded in his vast potential. This is not about creating a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaq&#039;s team was swept by a very physical Houston Rockets team that included Dream obviously. Didn&#039;t Dream average 30 plus or something crazy like that the entire playoffs? It was at least 30. He didn&#039;t murder Shaq that series. I&#039;m pretty sure Shaq was up around 25 with Penny close behind. That was real soul rock.

Now...

How do you call a cat Superman but always wanna put him in tights?

It ain&#039;t all Dwight&#039;s fault. It&#039;s the way the league is now. It seems the league wants these cats soft or they would allow a big man who is virtually unstoppable to get off. 

Let him funk. I wish the league would stop hatin&#039;. Damn. 

Who does it serve if Dwight becomes this superstar that isn&#039;t physically offensive and why don&#039;t they show his parents more?

Beautiful couple who raised Dwight in the game. 

Imagine this cat in NBA Jam. 

Dude he&#039;d be taller than the rim. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wty97NvK1M&amp;feature=fvw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
BOOOM SHOCKALACKA!!!&lt;/a&gt;

I used to bust my boy Scott&#039;s ass in that game. He wanted nothing of Barkley and KJ. 

Ahh the good ole days...oh well. I guess it&#039;s time to get African cane fitted in the image of that oh so respected Pan-Africanist flame, &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5784756819358533059&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Henrik Clarke&lt;/a&gt;.

We&#039;ll see how it goes in Game 3. I say he for 30 and 20 tonight and the Magic blow the Lakers out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaq&#8217;s team was swept by a very physical Houston Rockets team that included Dream obviously. Didn&#8217;t Dream average 30 plus or something crazy like that the entire playoffs? It was at least 30. He didn&#8217;t murder Shaq that series. I&#8217;m pretty sure Shaq was up around 25 with Penny close behind. That was real soul rock.</p>
<p>Now&#8230;</p>
<p>How do you call a cat Superman but always wanna put him in tights?</p>
<p>It ain&#8217;t all Dwight&#8217;s fault. It&#8217;s the way the league is now. It seems the league wants these cats soft or they would allow a big man who is virtually unstoppable to get off. </p>
<p>Let him funk. I wish the league would stop hatin&#8217;. Damn. </p>
<p>Who does it serve if Dwight becomes this superstar that isn&#8217;t physically offensive and why don&#8217;t they show his parents more?</p>
<p>Beautiful couple who raised Dwight in the game. </p>
<p>Imagine this cat in NBA Jam. </p>
<p>Dude he&#8217;d be taller than the rim.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wty97NvK1M&#038;feature=fvw" rel="nofollow"><br />
BOOOM SHOCKALACKA!!!</a></p>
<p>I used to bust my boy Scott&#8217;s ass in that game. He wanted nothing of Barkley and KJ. </p>
<p>Ahh the good ole days&#8230;oh well. I guess it&#8217;s time to get African cane fitted in the image of that oh so respected Pan-Africanist flame, <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5784756819358533059" rel="nofollow">John Henrik Clarke</a>.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see how it goes in Game 3. I say he for 30 and 20 tonight and the Magic blow the Lakers out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerold Wells Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerold Wells Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*aren&#039;t a great defensive team. 

My bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*aren&#8217;t a great defensive team. </p>
<p>My bad</p>
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		<title>By: Jerold Wells Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerold Wells Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta agree with the above comments about Dwight going at it alone. Rebounding wise he&#039;s battling legit size in the paint. Rashard, Turk and whoever else need to get thier noses dirty for real. 

Offensively I&#039;m really not mad at Dwight. Yeah he&#039;s struggling. And?

He also struggled against the Pistons a few years ago before overcoming that hurdle. 

Does anyone else remember Shaq getting swept by the Rockets? Sure he scored but he didn&#039;t dominate. It took him until his prime with the Lakers to truly develop a dominating offensive arsenal. 

It&#039;s way too easy to hold Howard down because he doesn&#039;t have range outside of 5 feet. If he could shoot a jump shot from 7 to 10 he&#039;d be close to unstoppable. Seriously. 

The Lakers are a great defensive team but they are a good offensive team. The proof is in the pudding baby. They make you shoot over size and that&#039;s just plain not easy to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta agree with the above comments about Dwight going at it alone. Rebounding wise he&#8217;s battling legit size in the paint. Rashard, Turk and whoever else need to get thier noses dirty for real. </p>
<p>Offensively I&#8217;m really not mad at Dwight. Yeah he&#8217;s struggling. And?</p>
<p>He also struggled against the Pistons a few years ago before overcoming that hurdle. </p>
<p>Does anyone else remember Shaq getting swept by the Rockets? Sure he scored but he didn&#8217;t dominate. It took him until his prime with the Lakers to truly develop a dominating offensive arsenal. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s way too easy to hold Howard down because he doesn&#8217;t have range outside of 5 feet. If he could shoot a jump shot from 7 to 10 he&#8217;d be close to unstoppable. Seriously. </p>
<p>The Lakers are a great defensive team but they are a good offensive team. The proof is in the pudding baby. They make you shoot over size and that&#8217;s just plain not easy to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you, but he&#039;s in the Finals with a team that wasn&#039;t expected to get there and has fought and won through all kids of adversity this season. He&#039;s also real with cats like me and AXG in the press. I got mad respect for dude. What are you supposed to do if cats aren&#039;t getting the picture?

His players dig him a lot more than what is publicized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, but he&#8217;s in the Finals with a team that wasn&#8217;t expected to get there and has fought and won through all kids of adversity this season. He&#8217;s also real with cats like me and AXG in the press. I got mad respect for dude. What are you supposed to do if cats aren&#8217;t getting the picture?</p>
<p>His players dig him a lot more than what is publicized.</p>
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		<title>By: kos</title>
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		<dc:creator>kos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,
I think the only place where anyone thinks that Alston might start ahead of Nelson is in Alston&#039;s mind.  Somewhere during the earlier rounds, they announced that Nelson would be the starter at the beginning of the season.  Now, I do understand what a coach&#039;s or GM&#039;s word means......but I do understand that Nelson might have felt his grip loosening on his spot if Alston leads the team to the championship.  Still though, now the team has painted themselves into a corner.  They have to play Nelson now, and they&#039;re probably going to have to play him more minutes than what they wanted to.

Miz,
I have no problem with Stan Van diggin&#039; in the players a$$es.  My problem is him doing it through the press.  Going at players through the press, instead of keeping it in house, is a sure formula for discontent, players not playing as hard as they would normally, and a short stay for Stan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,<br />
I think the only place where anyone thinks that Alston might start ahead of Nelson is in Alston&#8217;s mind.  Somewhere during the earlier rounds, they announced that Nelson would be the starter at the beginning of the season.  Now, I do understand what a coach&#8217;s or GM&#8217;s word means&#8230;&#8230;but I do understand that Nelson might have felt his grip loosening on his spot if Alston leads the team to the championship.  Still though, now the team has painted themselves into a corner.  They have to play Nelson now, and they&#8217;re probably going to have to play him more minutes than what they wanted to.</p>
<p>Miz,<br />
I have no problem with Stan Van diggin&#8217; in the players a$$es.  My problem is him doing it through the press.  Going at players through the press, instead of keeping it in house, is a sure formula for discontent, players not playing as hard as they would normally, and a short stay for Stan.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah those long caroms are a problem but that&#039;s why guards are taught to box man first when shots go up. 

Yes, it is early but you are correct when you say &quot;They just don&#039;t have any more room for error.&quot;

They have to take 3 games here or risk burping Red Stripe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah those long caroms are a problem but that&#8217;s why guards are taught to box man first when shots go up. </p>
<p>Yes, it is early but you are correct when you say &#8220;They just don&#8217;t have any more room for error.&#8221;</p>
<p>They have to take 3 games here or risk burping Red Stripe.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pink socks.  LOL.  

Mizzo -- frankly, if the Magic attacked the rim more often, Dwight Howard would average 20+ boards a game right now.  So many of the rebounds in their games come flying off the backboard.  That&#039;s a big factor.  

I&#039;m willing to indulge the Magic in their right to have a learning curve.  They&#039;ve only played 2 games so far.  The series is far from over.  They just to have a little home cooking -- and we&#039;ll see what happens then.  

It&#039;s still early.  They just don&#039;t have any more room for error.</description>
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<p>Mizzo &#8212; frankly, if the Magic attacked the rim more often, Dwight Howard would average 20+ boards a game right now.  So many of the rebounds in their games come flying off the backboard.  That&#8217;s a big factor.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to indulge the Magic in their right to have a learning curve.  They&#8217;ve only played 2 games so far.  The series is far from over.  They just to have a little home cooking &#8212; and we&#8217;ll see what happens then.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s still early.  They just don&#8217;t have any more room for error.</p>
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