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	<title>Comments on: Wednesday Morning Starting Five: The Mos Def Challenges Jay-Z to a Rap Battle Edition</title>
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		<title>By: Hiawatha Clemons III.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hiawatha Clemons III.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yeah, wayne doesn&#039;t even qualify as a real lyricist. Mos would END his career. Maybe, Kanye if he&#039;d stop sounding like Wanya. (boyz II Men) get it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yeah, wayne doesn&#8217;t even qualify as a real lyricist. Mos would END his career. Maybe, Kanye if he&#8217;d stop sounding like Wanya. (boyz II Men) get it?</p>
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		<title>By: Hiawatha Clemons III.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hiawatha Clemons III.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mos Def knows what he&#039;s doing. After all, it was Jay who wanted Mos on his label just 5 years ago. Just like he wanted Big L before he was killed. You see, shawn has a habit of wanting artists that he knows he can&#039;t outdo on his label so he won&#039;t have to worry about being embarrassed like Mos is going to do him. Now all shawnie can do is stay quiet and pray that this battle talk dies down so he can go back to that &quot;brag rap&quot; that he&#039;s been brainwashing fans with for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mos Def knows what he&#8217;s doing. After all, it was Jay who wanted Mos on his label just 5 years ago. Just like he wanted Big L before he was killed. You see, shawn has a habit of wanting artists that he knows he can&#8217;t outdo on his label so he won&#8217;t have to worry about being embarrassed like Mos is going to do him. Now all shawnie can do is stay quiet and pray that this battle talk dies down so he can go back to that &#8220;brag rap&#8221; that he&#8217;s been brainwashing fans with for years.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLastPoet</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheLastPoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Crucifixion ain&#039;t no fiction/So called chosen frozen/Apology made to whoever pleases/Still they got me like Jesus&quot; :-)

Black to the bone my home is your home bruh. Always</description>
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<p>Black to the bone my home is your home bruh. Always</p>
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		<title>By: GrandNubian</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrandNubian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizz,

Sorry for the misunderstanding of your question. However, I think LP said it best as he and I probably didn&#039;t express our disagreements in a logical way (i.e. humor, imagination, etc.). Chuck, KRS, Puba, Brother J, etc. are brothers I got mad love for and I would never intentionally disrespect them and the work they&#039;ve done. 

But I also understand your position, too. So I apologize as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizz,</p>
<p>Sorry for the misunderstanding of your question. However, I think LP said it best as he and I probably didn&#8217;t express our disagreements in a logical way (i.e. humor, imagination, etc.). Chuck, KRS, Puba, Brother J, etc. are brothers I got mad love for and I would never intentionally disrespect them and the work they&#8217;ve done. </p>
<p>But I also understand your position, too. So I apologize as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;didn’t call Flava Flav one either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

LP:

You know that&#039;s funny as all hell, right?

I&#039;m on the floor!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>didn’t call Flava Flav one either.</p></blockquote>
<p>LP:</p>
<p>You know that&#8217;s funny as all hell, right?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the floor!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GN I totally agree about Jay-Z. Personally, I think he benefited from the deaths of Pac and BIG. That&#039;s what Chuck actually said. He said he walked through the door at precisely the correct time and also said the same about Jordan.

The first interview with Chuck was on my other site before I created TSF. 

Just to clarify I&#039;m not saying anyone should not disagree with Chuck (again ridiculous) but his place in history is Nat Turner cemented.

When I asked is it that watered down now, what I meant was are we speaking of our greats like the mainstream now? What if kids read these words and say to themselves...&quot;Chuck D smokes crack?&quot; Of course, they should check the entire context before filing what was a joke, but I just don&#039;t feel comfortable with something so absurd here even if it was a joke.

That&#039;s all. My bad for taking it too far. I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GN I totally agree about Jay-Z. Personally, I think he benefited from the deaths of Pac and BIG. That&#8217;s what Chuck actually said. He said he walked through the door at precisely the correct time and also said the same about Jordan.</p>
<p>The first interview with Chuck was on my other site before I created TSF. </p>
<p>Just to clarify I&#8217;m not saying anyone should not disagree with Chuck (again ridiculous) but his place in history is Nat Turner cemented.</p>
<p>When I asked is it that watered down now, what I meant was are we speaking of our greats like the mainstream now? What if kids read these words and say to themselves&#8230;&#8221;Chuck D smokes crack?&#8221; Of course, they should check the entire context before filing what was a joke, but I just don&#8217;t feel comfortable with something so absurd here even if it was a joke.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all. My bad for taking it too far. I apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poet, I hear what you are saying and I apologize for the ultimatum. 

I was hot this morning when I read some of the comments. If you read my comment, I said this was not about Chuck being above criticism (that&#039;s ridiculous), it&#039;s just that he&#039;s a personal friend of mine and I would defend him to the death like I would any of you. I didn&#039;t like where the conversation was going and I had to put my foot down before it got out of hand. The anger actually helped during my interview with Boyd, so I guess stuff happens for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poet, I hear what you are saying and I apologize for the ultimatum. </p>
<p>I was hot this morning when I read some of the comments. If you read my comment, I said this was not about Chuck being above criticism (that&#8217;s ridiculous), it&#8217;s just that he&#8217;s a personal friend of mine and I would defend him to the death like I would any of you. I didn&#8217;t like where the conversation was going and I had to put my foot down before it got out of hand. The anger actually helped during my interview with Boyd, so I guess stuff happens for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLastPoet</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheLastPoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizz

1. I never called Chuck D a crackhead, didn&#039;t call Flava Flav one either. Perhaps you misread my comment, or perhaps your response wasn&#039;t aimed at me. I don&#039;t know.

2. I did, of course, read the original interview. I happen to disagree with Chuck on this one. Is that allowed? I did not express my disagreement in what you call a &quot;logical&quot; way, but that fact by itself does not render my argument irrelevant. Sometimes I argue with logic, sometimes I use humor or imagination. Everybody who comments here regularly knows that.

I guess you didn&#039;t find it funny this time and I respect that. But that&#039;s no reason to tell me to bounce, is it? Consider the source. I love Chuck as much as you do. He and KRS are as responsible of turning this boy into a Black man as anybody else was in the 80s. I&#039;ve given Chuck love on this site and elsewhere (even told Chuck himself once when I had the pleasure of meeting him) many many times. Doesn&#039;t mean I have to agree with everything he says, does it? 

I ain&#039;t mad at nobody. I do think the ultimatum you laid down, however, was unnecessary. But it&#039;s your site, bro, not mine.

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizz</p>
<p>1. I never called Chuck D a crackhead, didn&#8217;t call Flava Flav one either. Perhaps you misread my comment, or perhaps your response wasn&#8217;t aimed at me. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>2. I did, of course, read the original interview. I happen to disagree with Chuck on this one. Is that allowed? I did not express my disagreement in what you call a &#8220;logical&#8221; way, but that fact by itself does not render my argument irrelevant. Sometimes I argue with logic, sometimes I use humor or imagination. Everybody who comments here regularly knows that.</p>
<p>I guess you didn&#8217;t find it funny this time and I respect that. But that&#8217;s no reason to tell me to bounce, is it? Consider the source. I love Chuck as much as you do. He and KRS are as responsible of turning this boy into a Black man as anybody else was in the 80s. I&#8217;ve given Chuck love on this site and elsewhere (even told Chuck himself once when I had the pleasure of meeting him) many many times. Doesn&#8217;t mean I have to agree with everything he says, does it? </p>
<p>I ain&#8217;t mad at nobody. I do think the ultimatum you laid down, however, was unnecessary. But it&#8217;s your site, bro, not mine.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: GrandNubian</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrandNubian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizz, 

Since I respect your position of authority here (eventhough I disagree with your stance on the comparison), i&#039;m humbly conceding to the issue. One love brotha.

Now, as for dissin&#039; Jay-Z....

I actually read the article when you first publicized it here on TSF.

&quot;How are you gonna diss a brotha who has been where none of us have in his field? We weren’t talking about some clown ass rapper with his pants hanging just over his dick. It’s that watered down now?&quot;

In one word.....&quot;YES&quot;

I think that if Jay-Z had come along during the &quot;Rakim-Kane-KRS-G-Rap-Puba-Slick Rick&quot; era, he&#039;d be just another MC. I agree that he is fortunate to be in the right era at the right time. But just because he&#039;s made nearly a billion dollars don&#039;t make him the GOAT. It just means that he&#039;s a smart-ass businessman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizz, </p>
<p>Since I respect your position of authority here (eventhough I disagree with your stance on the comparison), i&#8217;m humbly conceding to the issue. One love brotha.</p>
<p>Now, as for dissin&#8217; Jay-Z&#8230;.</p>
<p>I actually read the article when you first publicized it here on TSF.</p>
<p>&#8220;How are you gonna diss a brotha who has been where none of us have in his field? We weren’t talking about some clown ass rapper with his pants hanging just over his dick. It’s that watered down now?&#8221;</p>
<p>In one word&#8230;..&#8221;YES&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that if Jay-Z had come along during the &#8220;Rakim-Kane-KRS-G-Rap-Puba-Slick Rick&#8221; era, he&#8217;d be just another MC. I agree that he is fortunate to be in the right era at the right time. But just because he&#8217;s made nearly a billion dollars don&#8217;t make him the GOAT. It just means that he&#8217;s a smart-ass businessman.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s coo, but don&#039;t compare the two. There&#039;s simply no comparison. I can&#039;t have that shit on here. It&#039;s everywhere else. Sorry. Most of you were commenting without reading the interview link. How are you gonna diss a brotha who has been where none of us have in his field? We weren&#039;t talking about some clown ass rapper with his pants hanging just over his dick. It&#039;s that watered down now? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s coo, but don&#8217;t compare the two. There&#8217;s simply no comparison. I can&#8217;t have that shit on here. It&#8217;s everywhere else. Sorry. Most of you were commenting without reading the interview link. How are you gonna diss a brotha who has been where none of us have in his field? We weren&#8217;t talking about some clown ass rapper with his pants hanging just over his dick. It&#8217;s that watered down now? </p>
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		<title>By: GrandNubian</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrandNubian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mizz,

With all due respect, it was just a joke, not an accusation. To put it in it&#039;s proper perspective, it&#039;s no different than the comment you made in another thread to Tariq about being &quot;knocked in the head&quot; regarding the Lakers beating a healthy Celtics squad. I think that you&#039;re being a little too sensitive on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mizz,</p>
<p>With all due respect, it was just a joke, not an accusation. To put it in it&#8217;s proper perspective, it&#8217;s no different than the comment you made in another thread to Tariq about being &#8220;knocked in the head&#8221; regarding the Lakers beating a healthy Celtics squad. I think that you&#8217;re being a little too sensitive on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect brothas, that shit ain&#039;t cool. 

Who has done more for the conscious of Black men in Hip Hop besides he and KRS? How many of us have been influenced by his ways, lyrics and actions? Is it his fault Hip Hop is on life support right now? Hell no. He and PE gave us a bunch of classics and arguably the best Hip Hop album of all time in Nation of Millions, so they did their part right?

I can&#039;t let him be disrespected like that. 

Nah, he ain&#039;t a god and no one is above criticism, but take that crack smoke somewhere else when you mention Chuck.

I can care less how many radio shows I&#039;ve been on of his or how many phone calls I get out of the blue just asking how I am doing but it can&#039;t go down like that on TSF.

I love the both of you as my brothers but check that shit or bounce. Straight up. 

Is anything sacred? If a cat who has been nothing but positive can be joked about in such an insidious fashion then what the fuck?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect brothas, that shit ain&#8217;t cool. </p>
<p>Who has done more for the conscious of Black men in Hip Hop besides he and KRS? How many of us have been influenced by his ways, lyrics and actions? Is it his fault Hip Hop is on life support right now? Hell no. He and PE gave us a bunch of classics and arguably the best Hip Hop album of all time in Nation of Millions, so they did their part right?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t let him be disrespected like that. </p>
<p>Nah, he ain&#8217;t a god and no one is above criticism, but take that crack smoke somewhere else when you mention Chuck.</p>
<p>I can care less how many radio shows I&#8217;ve been on of his or how many phone calls I get out of the blue just asking how I am doing but it can&#8217;t go down like that on TSF.</p>
<p>I love the both of you as my brothers but check that shit or bounce. Straight up. </p>
<p>Is anything sacred? If a cat who has been nothing but positive can be joked about in such an insidious fashion then what the fuck?</p>
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		<title>By: kos</title>
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		<dc:creator>kos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TBR -
I&#039;d say J-Live is closer to KRS.  Listen to his first album, &quot;The Best Part&quot;.  It&#039;s a classic.  All kinds of styles on there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TBR -<br />
I&#8217;d say J-Live is closer to KRS.  Listen to his first album, &#8220;The Best Part&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a classic.  All kinds of styles on there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot about Jay Electronica. Jay Electronica would cut Jay-Z up into little pieces and make a nice little Jay-Z potpourri for all of us to enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot about Jay Electronica. Jay Electronica would cut Jay-Z up into little pieces and make a nice little Jay-Z potpourri for all of us to enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: GrandNubian</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrandNubian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL@LP.....good stuff bruh. I concur. Chuck musta been smoking that &#039;ish&#039; w/ Flav when he made those statements, right? :-)

@TBR
&quot;Off the top of my head, Talib Kweli may be the closest we come to hearing KRS-ONE’s equal.&quot;

It would be hard to argue against that. Talib is definitely the son of KRS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL@LP&#8230;..good stuff bruh. I concur. Chuck musta been smoking that &#8216;ish&#8217; w/ Flav when he made those statements, right? <img src='http://thestartingfive.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@TBR<br />
&#8220;Off the top of my head, Talib Kweli may be the closest we come to hearing KRS-ONE’s equal.&#8221;</p>
<p>It would be hard to argue against that. Talib is definitely the son of KRS.</p>
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