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	<title>Comments on: I Challenge ANY NBA Writer to a Debate About Why Ricky Rubio is a Number Two Pick</title>
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		<title>By: Friday Fire: What is the Responsibility of the Media? &#124; The Starting Five</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/06/22/i-challenge-any-nba-writer-to-a-debate-about-why-ricky-rubio-is-a-number-two-pick/comment-page-5/#comment-30706</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Fire: What is the Responsibility of the Media? &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why is Brandon Jennings so good when most of media hung him out to dry out of love for Ricky Rubio? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Daniels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quess GAM and the rest of the fools hating on Brandon Jennings are eating crow now, Ricky Rubio was scared to play in the league and have his liablities exposed for all to see. Jennings game is perfect for the NBA while Rubio&#039;s may be limited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quess GAM and the rest of the fools hating on Brandon Jennings are eating crow now, Ricky Rubio was scared to play in the league and have his liablities exposed for all to see. Jennings game is perfect for the NBA while Rubio&#8217;s may be limited.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got bigger things to tackle bruh. NFL this week. Gotta prioritize. Learned a valuable lesson.</description>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come here looking for something on Week 8 in the NFL and two of my favorite guys are still working the Rubio angle.  What gives?</description>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They believed the hype bruh. Jennings is rockin&#039; outta this world. He is the real deal, not some fabricated wunderkind from a league that has yet to produce a HOF player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They believed the hype bruh. Jennings is rockin&#8217; outta this world. He is the real deal, not some fabricated wunderkind from a league that has yet to produce a HOF player.</p>
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		<title>By: KevDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GAM says

&quot;Brandon Jennings would have been a star in College, but he can barely get time for ROMA. Which check it man, is NOT A EUROLEAGUE level team.&quot;

LOL, damn you made yourself look like a clown with that one.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Brandon Jennings would have been a star in College, but he can barely get time for ROMA. Which check it man, is NOT A EUROLEAGUE level team.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL, damn you made yourself look like a clown with that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Jennings: I Saw a Rookie of the Year Tonight.... &#124; The Starting Five</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/06/22/i-challenge-any-nba-writer-to-a-debate-about-why-ricky-rubio-is-a-number-two-pick/comment-page-5/#comment-29832</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Jennings: I Saw a Rookie of the Year Tonight.... &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] could have been. Straight up. I hope he develops in every sense of the world because he is special. Remember this conversation? Please. Dig it on SLAM by clicking on Brandon&#8217;s pic. Send to Facebook Sphere: Related [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] could have been. Straight up. I hope he develops in every sense of the world because he is special. Remember this conversation? Please. Dig it on SLAM by clicking on Brandon&#8217;s pic. Send to Facebook Sphere: Related [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I&#039;ve already wasted WAY too much time on these misoverstood victims. I&#039;m out.</description>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/06/22/i-challenge-any-nba-writer-to-a-debate-about-why-ricky-rubio-is-a-number-two-pick/comment-page-5/#comment-27363</link>
		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GAM:

LOL. I lke the 4th definition of the word &quot;overstand&quot; the best. In any case, I know the word EXISTS. I think Nas used it in a song once. But he used it ONCE. LOL.


By the way, GAM, I didn&#039;t just come here for the Rubio post. I&#039;ve been coming around TSF for a while. And I enjoy the fact that TSF is anti-establishment and all that.

But I think you hit it on the head with the TO/AI example. And I agree, AI by a mile.

You know what usually happens on TSF? Usually, people like LastPoet and sanofka and I have the SAME OPINION. We usually agree! That&#039;s why we&#039;ve never had problems before! On the contrary, if you go back to old posts, you&#039;ll find that I&#039;ve never had problems with ANYONE on this website. Hell, go back to THIS SAME POST, and read what I said about Nash not deserving the MVPs, someone said &quot;AS ALWAYS Tariq, well said.&quot; I&#039;m not bringing this up to toot my own horn. I&#039;m just saying that I&#039;m not DavidMac. I&#039;m actually looking for interesting conversation.

BUT, I deviated from the straight path, apparently: I defended WHITE athletes. LastPoet hypothesized that White scrubs are handed multi-year, multi-million-dollar contracts JUST BECAUSE THEY&#039;RE WHITE. I challenged this hypothesis, and all of a sudden I&#039;m part of the problem. I should have just accepted his theory at face value without questioning it. Now I&#039;m a self-righteous, arrogant, dumb bitch who doesn&#039;t overstand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GAM:</p>
<p>LOL. I lke the 4th definition of the word &#8220;overstand&#8221; the best. In any case, I know the word EXISTS. I think Nas used it in a song once. But he used it ONCE. LOL.</p>
<p>By the way, GAM, I didn&#8217;t just come here for the Rubio post. I&#8217;ve been coming around TSF for a while. And I enjoy the fact that TSF is anti-establishment and all that.</p>
<p>But I think you hit it on the head with the TO/AI example. And I agree, AI by a mile.</p>
<p>You know what usually happens on TSF? Usually, people like LastPoet and sanofka and I have the SAME OPINION. We usually agree! That&#8217;s why we&#8217;ve never had problems before! On the contrary, if you go back to old posts, you&#8217;ll find that I&#8217;ve never had problems with ANYONE on this website. Hell, go back to THIS SAME POST, and read what I said about Nash not deserving the MVPs, someone said &#8220;AS ALWAYS Tariq, well said.&#8221; I&#8217;m not bringing this up to toot my own horn. I&#8217;m just saying that I&#8217;m not DavidMac. I&#8217;m actually looking for interesting conversation.</p>
<p>BUT, I deviated from the straight path, apparently: I defended WHITE athletes. LastPoet hypothesized that White scrubs are handed multi-year, multi-million-dollar contracts JUST BECAUSE THEY&#8217;RE WHITE. I challenged this hypothesis, and all of a sudden I&#8217;m part of the problem. I should have just accepted his theory at face value without questioning it. Now I&#8217;m a self-righteous, arrogant, dumb bitch who doesn&#8217;t overstand.</p>
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		<title>By: GAM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tariq,

Here ya go....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Overstand

Seriously, I don&#039;t see anything in this thread worthy of calling people &quot;bitch&quot; &quot;lil this&quot; or whatever other pejoratives are being shouted about here.  Is Ricky Rubio worth this? Hell, is what Ricky Rubio supposedly represents worth this type of discourse between people that I reckon are closer in terms of ideology than your average dual on Bill O&#039;Reilly (because those folks even refrain from such name calling, but maybe that&#039;s for the sensors).  

I mean, I get it, it ain&#039;t fair, but it&#039;s not as if I (or even Tariq or Jukai) came round here and said that Oscar Grant was asking for it, or started making disparaging statements about black athletes (nevermind that you don&#039;t even know my race, but I doubt that would matter). 

My whole point above (with a bit of sarcasm) was that none of the posters in this thread wrote anything that consituted flaming, so why the hostility and anger? The fact that someone like Tariq is here, at least means that he&#039;s interested in engaging different perspectives, which is apparently not something that many here welcome.

While the &quot;national pastime of jacking African Athletes&quot; may indeed be worth it,  the overhype of Ricky Rubio or any white athlete is not worthy of speaking to another human being like that.  

Maybe what some want is a place where a &quot;heated&quot; arguement is a debate over whether the white media is more unfair to AI or TO (I say AI by a mile btw), but I was under the impression that engagement with those of differing opinions can prove benefical to both parties. But I&#039;ve lurked a great deal and found it rare that dissenters weren&#039;t greeted with a big fat vitriol sandwich (tho many like DavidMac and another that escapes me did deserve it).

Mizzo, you&#039;ve never come at me like that, so I don&#039;t mean any disrespect. You&#039;ve just disagreed real hard, which is cool. 

I view TSF as a community that I usually like to eavesdrop on to gain some perspective, and when I disagree (one in a while), try and add mine.  If that F-s up the community, my bad.  I know I&#039;m a visitor here and that it sucks to have a nice little online enclave invaded by the unwelcome.  I get it, and I&#039;ll be sure not to let the door hit me on the way out.  

Anyway, stay cool....

Looks like our boy and Johny Flynn are gonna get to show and prove up real close to each other:)

Though I suspect one might be traded by the weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tariq,</p>
<p>Here ya go&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Overstand" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Overstand</a></p>
<p>Seriously, I don&#8217;t see anything in this thread worthy of calling people &#8220;bitch&#8221; &#8220;lil this&#8221; or whatever other pejoratives are being shouted about here.  Is Ricky Rubio worth this? Hell, is what Ricky Rubio supposedly represents worth this type of discourse between people that I reckon are closer in terms of ideology than your average dual on Bill O&#8217;Reilly (because those folks even refrain from such name calling, but maybe that&#8217;s for the sensors).  </p>
<p>I mean, I get it, it ain&#8217;t fair, but it&#8217;s not as if I (or even Tariq or Jukai) came round here and said that Oscar Grant was asking for it, or started making disparaging statements about black athletes (nevermind that you don&#8217;t even know my race, but I doubt that would matter). </p>
<p>My whole point above (with a bit of sarcasm) was that none of the posters in this thread wrote anything that consituted flaming, so why the hostility and anger? The fact that someone like Tariq is here, at least means that he&#8217;s interested in engaging different perspectives, which is apparently not something that many here welcome.</p>
<p>While the &#8220;national pastime of jacking African Athletes&#8221; may indeed be worth it,  the overhype of Ricky Rubio or any white athlete is not worthy of speaking to another human being like that.  </p>
<p>Maybe what some want is a place where a &#8220;heated&#8221; arguement is a debate over whether the white media is more unfair to AI or TO (I say AI by a mile btw), but I was under the impression that engagement with those of differing opinions can prove benefical to both parties. But I&#8217;ve lurked a great deal and found it rare that dissenters weren&#8217;t greeted with a big fat vitriol sandwich (tho many like DavidMac and another that escapes me did deserve it).</p>
<p>Mizzo, you&#8217;ve never come at me like that, so I don&#8217;t mean any disrespect. You&#8217;ve just disagreed real hard, which is cool. </p>
<p>I view TSF as a community that I usually like to eavesdrop on to gain some perspective, and when I disagree (one in a while), try and add mine.  If that F-s up the community, my bad.  I know I&#8217;m a visitor here and that it sucks to have a nice little online enclave invaded by the unwelcome.  I get it, and I&#8217;ll be sure not to let the door hit me on the way out.  </p>
<p>Anyway, stay cool&#8230;.</p>
<p>Looks like our boy and Johny Flynn are gonna get to show and prove up real close to each other:)</p>
<p>Though I suspect one might be traded by the weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sankofa:

It&#039;s funny how being wrong brings out ugliness and anger in people. It&#039;s OK to say that I &quot;suffer from tunnel vision&quot;. That&#039;s fine. But when I make fun of the word &quot;overstand&quot;, all of a sudden that makes me an arrogant, self-righteous bitch.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that your argument is weak. And as a way to avoid admitting that you&#039;re fucking WRONG, you lash out and call me a bitch.

But yeah, whatever. As I said: Shoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sankofa:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how being wrong brings out ugliness and anger in people. It&#8217;s OK to say that I &#8220;suffer from tunnel vision&#8221;. That&#8217;s fine. But when I make fun of the word &#8220;overstand&#8221;, all of a sudden that makes me an arrogant, self-righteous bitch.</p>
<p>I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that your argument is weak. And as a way to avoid admitting that you&#8217;re fucking WRONG, you lash out and call me a bitch.</p>
<p>But yeah, whatever. As I said: Shoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

ESPN has nice pictures.</description>
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<p>ESPN has nice pictures.</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shoo fly shoo.</description>
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		<title>By: sankofa</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/06/22/i-challenge-any-nba-writer-to-a-debate-about-why-ricky-rubio-is-a-number-two-pick/comment-page-5/#comment-27327</link>
		<dc:creator>sankofa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;…By the way, a word of caution: before you “overstand”, always try to “undersit”, otherwise you might get cramps…&quot;

What the fuck are you about? Really?  Unlike you I don&#039;t try to turn others statement around to hype myself. If that&#039;s your masturbation incentive, ESPN can fulfil that for you. On one hand you accuse Last Poet of condescension and name calling then you next wallow in the same slop you throw out at others. When it comes down to it, bitches like you confirm my notion that given enough time, you will show your true color as an arrogant, self righteous mother fucker, as soon as TSF deviates from the national past time of straight jacking African athletes to questioning the socio-political reasons why they become a focus of disdain.  

I predict that you will further slide into more condescension and arrogance, even though it will not be apparent to your self rightous ass!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;…By the way, a word of caution: before you “overstand”, always try to “undersit”, otherwise you might get cramps…&#8221;</p>
<p>What the fuck are you about? Really?  Unlike you I don&#8217;t try to turn others statement around to hype myself. If that&#8217;s your masturbation incentive, ESPN can fulfil that for you. On one hand you accuse Last Poet of condescension and name calling then you next wallow in the same slop you throw out at others. When it comes down to it, bitches like you confirm my notion that given enough time, you will show your true color as an arrogant, self righteous mother fucker, as soon as TSF deviates from the national past time of straight jacking African athletes to questioning the socio-political reasons why they become a focus of disdain.  </p>
<p>I predict that you will further slide into more condescension and arrogance, even though it will not be apparent to your self rightous ass!</p>
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		<title>By: Tariq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tariq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sankofa:

I guess I suffer from tunnel vision from all the &quot;overstanding&quot; I attempt. By the way, a word of caution: before you &quot;overstand&quot;, always try to &quot;undersit&quot;, otherwise you might get cramps.

What you said about Jerome James fits my scrub formula. I said that Jerome James got paid the same way EVERY scrub gets paid, regardless of color: Scrub puts together a few good games; GM gets excited and overpays scrub. Scrub gets paid.

Jerome James played a few good games for Seattle during their playoff run in 2005. That&#039;s why he got paid.

Similarly, when Luke Walton signed his contract, he had a career year. The season before signing that contract, he had career highs in field goal percentage, 3-point percentage, steals, blocks, rebounds, assists and points. Naturally, the Lakers were excited to tie down a player they thought was an important bench player. But after he signed the contract, Walton&#039;s numbers went down. 

Same thing: Scrub plays well for a few games. GM gets excited and overpays. Scrub gets paid.

What&#039;s the difference?

P.S.
I don&#039;t recall Mizzo mentioning a &quot;climate&quot;. He just said &quot;Some people may think he deserved 30 because of the NBA pay scale&quot; I said &quot;How so, Mizzo?&quot; He said: &quot;My bad for entering into a discussion in which I know nothing of the context&quot;. He didn&#039;t mention any &quot;climate&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sankofa:</p>
<p>I guess I suffer from tunnel vision from all the &#8220;overstanding&#8221; I attempt. By the way, a word of caution: before you &#8220;overstand&#8221;, always try to &#8220;undersit&#8221;, otherwise you might get cramps.</p>
<p>What you said about Jerome James fits my scrub formula. I said that Jerome James got paid the same way EVERY scrub gets paid, regardless of color: Scrub puts together a few good games; GM gets excited and overpays scrub. Scrub gets paid.</p>
<p>Jerome James played a few good games for Seattle during their playoff run in 2005. That&#8217;s why he got paid.</p>
<p>Similarly, when Luke Walton signed his contract, he had a career year. The season before signing that contract, he had career highs in field goal percentage, 3-point percentage, steals, blocks, rebounds, assists and points. Naturally, the Lakers were excited to tie down a player they thought was an important bench player. But after he signed the contract, Walton&#8217;s numbers went down. </p>
<p>Same thing: Scrub plays well for a few games. GM gets excited and overpays. Scrub gets paid.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the difference?</p>
<p>P.S.<br />
I don&#8217;t recall Mizzo mentioning a &#8220;climate&#8221;. He just said &#8220;Some people may think he deserved 30 because of the NBA pay scale&#8221; I said &#8220;How so, Mizzo?&#8221; He said: &#8220;My bad for entering into a discussion in which I know nothing of the context&#8221;. He didn&#8217;t mention any &#8220;climate&#8221;.</p>
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