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		<title>By: shawn</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/24/friday-fire-is-it-always-going-to-be-about-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-28461</link>
		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH GAWD NO !!
You&#039;re paranoid now cuz an innocent black man can&#039;t even enter his own house without getting arrested?  You poor, poor, abused people.

It&#039;s getting to the point where a black man can&#039;t even break into his own home late at night and give the responding officers crap without being inconvenienced.</description>
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You&#8217;re paranoid now cuz an innocent black man can&#8217;t even enter his own house without getting arrested?  You poor, poor, abused people.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s getting to the point where a black man can&#8217;t even break into his own home late at night and give the responding officers crap without being inconvenienced.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/24/friday-fire-is-it-always-going-to-be-about-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-28311</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizzo:

First things first -- every nation has their time in the sun.  Spain&#039;s moment is OVER.  Portugal&#039;s moment is OVER.  The Persians moment is OVER.  The Romans moment is OVER.  Same for Ghana and Benin and Sokoto and Monomotapa and Axum and the Elamites of Susa and the Nubians and Sabeans of Arabia and the Almoravids and the Almohades and the Zanj of Basra.  The sun sets on everyone.  Africans have had some very long runs in many places around the world -- but perfection is elusive.

As much as America likes to toot its own horn, they&#039;ve been the world&#039;s preeminent power since 1945 -- and yet, they&#039;ve &quot;lost&quot; in Vietnam, Cuba, Iran, Iraq?, Afghanistan? and Somalia.  And everyone from Silicon Valley to Wall Street is worried about China cranking out 200,000 engineers a year.  How much time is left as the Top Dog??

As for &quot;racism,&quot; if Europeans were not imbued with the disease of &quot;white supremacy&quot; our condition could be considerably better -- but we&#039;d still be here.  I think the root cause of our condition is that people have never figured out really great ways to deal with scarcity and greed.

Different nations have used forced labor (slaves, serfs, prisoners, etc.) for millenia as a path to power.  The Fon used in it Benin.  The Akan used it in Ghana.  The Romans used it in Italy.  At the same time that millions of Africans were being brought West, millions of Europeans were shackled and dragged south and East to Tunisia, Algiers, Cairo and elsewhere.  The famed British navy could do very little to stop this.  Entire towns were snatched up at once.  They, however, were put to different uses.  Forced labor was the Nazis angle in Africa and with the European Jews.  It&#039;s the game in China and India right now.

The real issue, it seems, is one of coordination.  It took Europeans several centuries to impose their will on Africa.  We&#039;ve been taught they just showed up with guns and took it over.  Not so.  They fought against one another, but often fought in concert when they recognized a threat.  The Africans, it seems, were not as vigilant about coordinated fighting and seemed to take the enemy at his word.  They also seemed to fail to recognize the concept of a Long War.

Some fights are intergenerational.  So-called &quot;tribal&quot; fights are long-standing and so is this one.  But the ultimate solution requires coordinated fighting and coordinated support to alleviate the sytemic poverty and desperation that causes people to do things like sell their children or conspire with the enemy.

Koreans have sold their children en masse for generations.  The tide is only recent slowing down.  It&#039;s not a &quot;Black&quot; thing.  It&#039;s a human thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizzo:</p>
<p>First things first &#8212; every nation has their time in the sun.  Spain&#8217;s moment is OVER.  Portugal&#8217;s moment is OVER.  The Persians moment is OVER.  The Romans moment is OVER.  Same for Ghana and Benin and Sokoto and Monomotapa and Axum and the Elamites of Susa and the Nubians and Sabeans of Arabia and the Almoravids and the Almohades and the Zanj of Basra.  The sun sets on everyone.  Africans have had some very long runs in many places around the world &#8212; but perfection is elusive.</p>
<p>As much as America likes to toot its own horn, they&#8217;ve been the world&#8217;s preeminent power since 1945 &#8212; and yet, they&#8217;ve &#8220;lost&#8221; in Vietnam, Cuba, Iran, Iraq?, Afghanistan? and Somalia.  And everyone from Silicon Valley to Wall Street is worried about China cranking out 200,000 engineers a year.  How much time is left as the Top Dog??</p>
<p>As for &#8220;racism,&#8221; if Europeans were not imbued with the disease of &#8220;white supremacy&#8221; our condition could be considerably better &#8212; but we&#8217;d still be here.  I think the root cause of our condition is that people have never figured out really great ways to deal with scarcity and greed.</p>
<p>Different nations have used forced labor (slaves, serfs, prisoners, etc.) for millenia as a path to power.  The Fon used in it Benin.  The Akan used it in Ghana.  The Romans used it in Italy.  At the same time that millions of Africans were being brought West, millions of Europeans were shackled and dragged south and East to Tunisia, Algiers, Cairo and elsewhere.  The famed British navy could do very little to stop this.  Entire towns were snatched up at once.  They, however, were put to different uses.  Forced labor was the Nazis angle in Africa and with the European Jews.  It&#8217;s the game in China and India right now.</p>
<p>The real issue, it seems, is one of coordination.  It took Europeans several centuries to impose their will on Africa.  We&#8217;ve been taught they just showed up with guns and took it over.  Not so.  They fought against one another, but often fought in concert when they recognized a threat.  The Africans, it seems, were not as vigilant about coordinated fighting and seemed to take the enemy at his word.  They also seemed to fail to recognize the concept of a Long War.</p>
<p>Some fights are intergenerational.  So-called &#8220;tribal&#8221; fights are long-standing and so is this one.  But the ultimate solution requires coordinated fighting and coordinated support to alleviate the sytemic poverty and desperation that causes people to do things like sell their children or conspire with the enemy.</p>
<p>Koreans have sold their children en masse for generations.  The tide is only recent slowing down.  It&#8217;s not a &#8220;Black&#8221; thing.  It&#8217;s a human thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Esquire</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/24/friday-fire-is-it-always-going-to-be-about-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-28309</link>
		<dc:creator>Esquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Temple &amp; Rashad - OK, I can see where you guys are coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Temple &amp; Rashad &#8211; OK, I can see where you guys are coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/24/friday-fire-is-it-always-going-to-be-about-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-28305</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Checking on that now Sankofa. That&#039;s odd. 


Temple3: What is the root cause of our present condition? Not saying racism is or a predisposed behavior based its effects...just interested in your opinion bruh.

Oh, and damn right we do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Checking on that now Sankofa. That&#8217;s odd. </p>
<p>Temple3: What is the root cause of our present condition? Not saying racism is or a predisposed behavior based its effects&#8230;just interested in your opinion bruh.</p>
<p>Oh, and damn right we do!</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rashad:

I agree 100% -- http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/23/thursday-morning-starting-five-the-cambridge-pd-acted-stupidly-and-the-black-in-america-edition/#comment-28264

Mizzo:

I would simply say that racism is not the ROOT CAUSE of our present condition, nor is curing &quot;whites&quot; of the delusion of white supremacy (as an ideology) the solution.  

We have bigger fish to fry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rashad:</p>
<p>I agree 100% &#8212; <a href="http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/23/thursday-morning-starting-five-the-cambridge-pd-acted-stupidly-and-the-black-in-america-edition/#comment-28264" rel="nofollow">http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/23/thursday-morning-starting-five-the-cambridge-pd-acted-stupidly-and-the-black-in-america-edition/#comment-28264</a></p>
<p>Mizzo:</p>
<p>I would simply say that racism is not the ROOT CAUSE of our present condition, nor is curing &#8220;whites&#8221; of the delusion of white supremacy (as an ideology) the solution.  </p>
<p>We have bigger fish to fry.</p>
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		<title>By: sankofa</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/24/friday-fire-is-it-always-going-to-be-about-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-28302</link>
		<dc:creator>sankofa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rashad

You do realize that they are fighting tooth and nail to squash this don&#039;t you.  As Mizzo said, you may have a point, but let&#039;s not fool yourself, do or don&#039;t he&#039;ll be made to bootlick and bow down for trying to reform (?) healthcare.

Hey Mizzo, what happened to my comment on the other post? Seems a couple of trolls came out of the toilet, but my comment fell in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rashad</p>
<p>You do realize that they are fighting tooth and nail to squash this don&#8217;t you.  As Mizzo said, you may have a point, but let&#8217;s not fool yourself, do or don&#8217;t he&#8217;ll be made to bootlick and bow down for trying to reform (?) healthcare.</p>
<p>Hey Mizzo, what happened to my comment on the other post? Seems a couple of trolls came out of the toilet, but my comment fell in.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/24/friday-fire-is-it-always-going-to-be-about-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-28299</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you. You may have a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you. You may have a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashad</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/24/friday-fire-is-it-always-going-to-be-about-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-28295</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that they asked Obama about Gates, but the press conference was about health care and prior to this Gates issue, he was in the midst of a major push to get his plan out there. With one comment, regardless of how on point me and others think he was with it, it just took away from the healthcare issue.  Even if he had said, I&#039;ll address the Gates issue tomorrow, today its all about healthcare, it wouldn&#039;t have been ducking the issue.  Its not avoiding, its just deferring..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that they asked Obama about Gates, but the press conference was about health care and prior to this Gates issue, he was in the midst of a major push to get his plan out there. With one comment, regardless of how on point me and others think he was with it, it just took away from the healthcare issue.  Even if he had said, I&#8217;ll address the Gates issue tomorrow, today its all about healthcare, it wouldn&#8217;t have been ducking the issue.  Its not avoiding, its just deferring..</p>
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		<title>By: origin</title>
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		<dc:creator>origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this painting the cop as the victim. Now its how can he be prejudice he gave Reggie Lewis mouth to mouth.

I mean really what??????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this painting the cop as the victim. Now its how can he be prejudice he gave Reggie Lewis mouth to mouth.</p>
<p>I mean really what??????</p>
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		<title>By: origin</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/07/24/friday-fire-is-it-always-going-to-be-about-racism/comment-page-1/#comment-28290</link>
		<dc:creator>origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Esquire and Mizzo.
 
The freaking media asked him the question. They would have flipped this anyway, no matter what Obama said.

And one of the reasons that the media (IMO) is trying to make this a big deal is to put the Big Ben issue on the back burner. 

Most media on TV haven&#039;t even discussed the issue.

Plus who gives a flip what the media says..........F them whores.

They got on Obama for Rev. Wright. They got on him for Rev. Pfleger. They got on him for what Michelle said about America. They got on him because they thought he threw his white grandmother under the bus when he was making his speech on race.

Screw the media. 

If Obama called out black folks there would be a standing ovation from the white media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Esquire and Mizzo.</p>
<p>The freaking media asked him the question. They would have flipped this anyway, no matter what Obama said.</p>
<p>And one of the reasons that the media (IMO) is trying to make this a big deal is to put the Big Ben issue on the back burner. </p>
<p>Most media on TV haven&#8217;t even discussed the issue.</p>
<p>Plus who gives a flip what the media says&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.F them whores.</p>
<p>They got on Obama for Rev. Wright. They got on him for Rev. Pfleger. They got on him for what Michelle said about America. They got on him because they thought he threw his white grandmother under the bus when he was making his speech on race.</p>
<p>Screw the media. </p>
<p>If Obama called out black folks there would be a standing ovation from the white media.</p>
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		<title>By: Esquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rashad - well, they asked him about him it.  Its not like he just brought it up.  If he doesn&#039;t answer it then the headline next day would have been &quot;Obama waffles on support of black community&quot; or &quot;Obama declines to comment on Gates.&quot;  There would have been spin either way so I&#039;m glad he just said what was on his mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rashad &#8211; well, they asked him about him it.  Its not like he just brought it up.  If he doesn&#8217;t answer it then the headline next day would have been &#8220;Obama waffles on support of black community&#8221; or &#8220;Obama declines to comment on Gates.&#8221;  There would have been spin either way so I&#8217;m glad he just said what was on his mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rashad why? Why should he care about what people think? When has a president made such a statement that if kept in the proper context will propagate a well needed discussion on something serious? Health care was the issue, but he was right to answer because the question was asked. If he didn&#039;t answer the question, Blacks would have snapped. 

The media is going to move this into different channels for the purpose of dehumanizing his words and creating this Black vs. White dynamic. 

Now the police force are victims?!?

Whatever. As soon as dude knew Gates lived there, the police should have left like they&#039;ve done many times across the nation in the same type of neighborhoods. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rashad why? Why should he care about what people think? When has a president made such a statement that if kept in the proper context will propagate a well needed discussion on something serious? Health care was the issue, but he was right to answer because the question was asked. If he didn&#8217;t answer the question, Blacks would have snapped. </p>
<p>The media is going to move this into different channels for the purpose of dehumanizing his words and creating this Black vs. White dynamic. </p>
<p>Now the police force are victims?!?</p>
<p>Whatever. As soon as dude knew Gates lived there, the police should have left like they&#8217;ve done many times across the nation in the same type of neighborhoods.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In hindsight, the President really should have glossed over the issue during THAT particular press conference, where health care should have been the only thing discussed.  Had it been a different forum or even the next day, I&#039;d have had no problem with what he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In hindsight, the President really should have glossed over the issue during THAT particular press conference, where health care should have been the only thing discussed.  Had it been a different forum or even the next day, I&#8217;d have had no problem with what he said.</p>
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		<title>By: Esquire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esquire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How many of you are driving, pass a cop on the other side of the road and with almost paranoid eyes look into the rear view mirror until you know for sure the cop is out of sight?&quot;

Wow.  Amen to that.

I&#039;m sorry but there is really no other way to look at this than what it is - an absurd abuse of power.  So now on top of being paranoid in my car I have to be paranoid of looking &quot;suspicious&quot; while trying to get into my own home?  

Truth is, if you say anything even remotely involving race, there will be backlash.  So I say, oh well, might as well just say what you have to say without sugar coating it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How many of you are driving, pass a cop on the other side of the road and with almost paranoid eyes look into the rear view mirror until you know for sure the cop is out of sight?&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.  Amen to that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry but there is really no other way to look at this than what it is &#8211; an absurd abuse of power.  So now on top of being paranoid in my car I have to be paranoid of looking &#8220;suspicious&#8221; while trying to get into my own home?  </p>
<p>Truth is, if you say anything even remotely involving race, there will be backlash.  So I say, oh well, might as well just say what you have to say without sugar coating it.</p>
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