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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/10/25/ron-glovers-week-7-nfl-predictions/#comment-29806</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizzo: 

I do recognize that you said "great chance" -- and you're 150% (if there is such a thing) correct.  

I'd love to Moss in Philly...but I also saw what Stallworth did when he was healthy.  He was BLAZING!!!  They just need to stay healthy and run the ball -- that's all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizzo: </p>
<p>I do recognize that you said &#8220;great chance&#8221; &#8212; and you&#8217;re 150% (if there is such a thing) correct.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to Moss in Philly&#8230;but I also saw what Stallworth did when he was healthy.  He was BLAZING!!!  They just need to stay healthy and run the ball &#8212; that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://thestartingfive.net/2009/10/25/ron-glovers-week-7-nfl-predictions/#comment-29805</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This 20/20 Hindsight stuff is getting thick.

Randy Moss was not a "no-brainer" acquisition for the Patriots, the Raiders, or the Vikings.  Moss' stocked dropped significantly on draft day and he fell right into Dennis Green's lap.  He did what he did in Minnesota and the result was the split of the most potentially devastating passing combination in the history of the league.  Culpepper's super-phenomenal season in 2004 was accomplished with Moss missing 7 games.  So, what Brady accomplished with Moss in 2007 was already scripted three years earlier.

After what happened with Moss in LA and after what happened with T.O. in Philly, it is not the least bit surprising that the Eagles did not enter the Moss Sweepstakes.  It is only AFTER the success of the 2007 Patriots that one can clamor for Moss in green.  Guess what -- the Patriots LOST THE GAME.  Moss has exactly as many Super Bowl rings and appearances as Donovan McNabb and Terrell Owens.

So, you could get Moss -- and that might make you feel better, but it is absolutely no guarantee that the team would win a championship.

Mizzo:  Gonzalez is a G, but the Eagles have always had very good pass catching tight ends: from Chad Lewis to LJ Smith to Celek.  I know they're not in Gonzalez' league, but they are more than adequate given how much the ball is spread around in this offense.  

Origin:

A quick thing on Kevin Curtis....

I think folks in Philly have some serious-ass amnesia.  I love y'all, but I'll be if y'all don't sound like you make it up as you go along.

Curtis is not a dominant receiver.  The Eagles never intended for him to fill that role.  Curtis was drafted by the Rams to play in the slot between Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce.  He's fast, has good hands, and great agility.  In his first season in Philly, he caught 77 passes for over 1,000 yards.  He's not a bum by any stretch of the imagination.  He's not a #1, but no one every said he was...and if you get that kind of production from a 2, you're very happy.

The season before Curtis came to Philly, the Eagles came out like gang busters.  I remember because I had Donte Stallworth on my FFL team -- and then the wheels came off.  Stallworth was injured early.  McNabb was injured late.  Stallworth averaged 19 yards per catch that season -- INSANE.  Reggie Brown averaged nearly 18 -- INSANE.

And the Eagles lost to the Saints on the road because of McNabb's HEALTH  (SEE ABOVE).  Stallworth played in that game and had a big score.  (WHEW -- Remember that hit on Reggie Bush!!!)

Now, the Eagles signed Stallworth coming off of his career best year in New Orleans.  He was the FIRST RECEIVER DRAFTED in 2002.  He was not supposed to be a bust.  When you get the FIRST receiver in a draft as a free agent coming off a career year, that (to me) looks like a significant effort to get support for your QB.  When he is paired with a 2nd round draft pick who averages 18 yards per catch, that seems like a pretty sizeable investment in your QB.  And when you add a guy like Curtis who immediately gives you 77 catches and 1000+ yards, I can't be mad at the GM.

You probably recall that the resigning of Stallworth was complicated.  He had a lot of interest...from Miami, Tennessee, New England, etc.  Given how things turned out, I can't be mad at the GM for passing on that bidding war.  Stallworth didn't work out in New England either.

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If you want to say, like Mizzo, that the Eagles draft/sign the wrong type of receiver, I can't argue...but if you argue that these guys are all bums and were bums from jump, then that won't work.  

I think the 4 problems with McNabb up top are insurmountable.  He is who he is.  He is a very talented playmaker and leader, who is also an erratic, oft-injured QB who has played most of his career surrounded by sometimes talented, sometimes abysmal, erratic, oft-injured receivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This 20/20 Hindsight stuff is getting thick.</p>
<p>Randy Moss was not a &#8220;no-brainer&#8221; acquisition for the Patriots, the Raiders, or the Vikings.  Moss&#8217; stocked dropped significantly on draft day and he fell right into Dennis Green&#8217;s lap.  He did what he did in Minnesota and the result was the split of the most potentially devastating passing combination in the history of the league.  Culpepper&#8217;s super-phenomenal season in 2004 was accomplished with Moss missing 7 games.  So, what Brady accomplished with Moss in 2007 was already scripted three years earlier.</p>
<p>After what happened with Moss in LA and after what happened with T.O. in Philly, it is not the least bit surprising that the Eagles did not enter the Moss Sweepstakes.  It is only AFTER the success of the 2007 Patriots that one can clamor for Moss in green.  Guess what &#8212; the Patriots LOST THE GAME.  Moss has exactly as many Super Bowl rings and appearances as Donovan McNabb and Terrell Owens.</p>
<p>So, you could get Moss &#8212; and that might make you feel better, but it is absolutely no guarantee that the team would win a championship.</p>
<p>Mizzo:  Gonzalez is a G, but the Eagles have always had very good pass catching tight ends: from Chad Lewis to LJ Smith to Celek.  I know they&#8217;re not in Gonzalez&#8217; league, but they are more than adequate given how much the ball is spread around in this offense.  </p>
<p>Origin:</p>
<p>A quick thing on Kevin Curtis&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think folks in Philly have some serious-ass amnesia.  I love y&#8217;all, but I&#8217;ll be if y&#8217;all don&#8217;t sound like you make it up as you go along.</p>
<p>Curtis is not a dominant receiver.  The Eagles never intended for him to fill that role.  Curtis was drafted by the Rams to play in the slot between Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce.  He&#8217;s fast, has good hands, and great agility.  In his first season in Philly, he caught 77 passes for over 1,000 yards.  He&#8217;s not a bum by any stretch of the imagination.  He&#8217;s not a #1, but no one every said he was&#8230;and if you get that kind of production from a 2, you&#8217;re very happy.</p>
<p>The season before Curtis came to Philly, the Eagles came out like gang busters.  I remember because I had Donte Stallworth on my FFL team &#8212; and then the wheels came off.  Stallworth was injured early.  McNabb was injured late.  Stallworth averaged 19 yards per catch that season &#8212; INSANE.  Reggie Brown averaged nearly 18 &#8212; INSANE.</p>
<p>And the Eagles lost to the Saints on the road because of McNabb&#8217;s HEALTH  (SEE ABOVE).  Stallworth played in that game and had a big score.  (WHEW &#8212; Remember that hit on Reggie Bush!!!)</p>
<p>Now, the Eagles signed Stallworth coming off of his career best year in New Orleans.  He was the FIRST RECEIVER DRAFTED in 2002.  He was not supposed to be a bust.  When you get the FIRST receiver in a draft as a free agent coming off a career year, that (to me) looks like a significant effort to get support for your QB.  When he is paired with a 2nd round draft pick who averages 18 yards per catch, that seems like a pretty sizeable investment in your QB.  And when you add a guy like Curtis who immediately gives you 77 catches and 1000+ yards, I can&#8217;t be mad at the GM.</p>
<p>You probably recall that the resigning of Stallworth was complicated.  He had a lot of interest&#8230;from Miami, Tennessee, New England, etc.  Given how things turned out, I can&#8217;t be mad at the GM for passing on that bidding war.  Stallworth didn&#8217;t work out in New England either.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>If you want to say, like Mizzo, that the Eagles draft/sign the wrong type of receiver, I can&#8217;t argue&#8230;but if you argue that these guys are all bums and were bums from jump, then that won&#8217;t work.  </p>
<p>I think the 4 problems with McNabb up top are insurmountable.  He is who he is.  He is a very talented playmaker and leader, who is also an erratic, oft-injured QB who has played most of his career surrounded by sometimes talented, sometimes abysmal, erratic, oft-injured receivers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Eagles went out and got Randy Moss, there is a great chance they'd be champions by now.

Every team has first round busts.

I want the big free agent moves. The Matt Ryan two year in the league Tony Gonzalez moves. 

That was a huge statement and in my opinion, smacks of entitlement.

Everyone in the world knew the Eagles were a piece or two away. Go get it. Nah, they just go after Moss the year after he set the touchdown record...

Way too late then. Pull the trigger and win a championship. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Eagles went out and got Randy Moss, there is a great chance they&#8217;d be champions by now.</p>
<p>Every team has first round busts.</p>
<p>I want the big free agent moves. The Matt Ryan two year in the league Tony Gonzalez moves. </p>
<p>That was a huge statement and in my opinion, smacks of entitlement.</p>
<p>Everyone in the world knew the Eagles were a piece or two away. Go get it. Nah, they just go after Moss the year after he set the touchdown record&#8230;</p>
<p>Way too late then. Pull the trigger and win a championship.</p>
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		<title>By: Origin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make that their version of MJ.........cause lord knows chicago was like NYC's and LA's lil brother when it came to sports and winning before MJ.

If it wasn't for MJ those busta fans in Chicago would still talk about the Bears '85 season like Philly fans were talking about that '83 season before the Phillies won las year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make that their version of MJ&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;cause lord knows chicago was like NYC&#8217;s and LA&#8217;s lil brother when it came to sports and winning before MJ.</p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for MJ those busta fans in Chicago would still talk about the Bears &#8216;85 season like Philly fans were talking about that &#8216;83 season before the Phillies won las year.</p>
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		<title>By: Origin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Origin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes we agree temple.

I have always given the eagles D the credit. Of all the playoffs runs the 2003 defense was the weakest. 

Now as far as the Eagles are cheap.......I have been saying that since I was a child of the 80s. Philly is the East coast version of Chicago.

All their teams and owners are cheap just like Chicago. Except they have been waiting for their savior Michael Jordan to come and win multiple championships so that they won't be the laughing stock of the east coast.

And yes I undertsand that Faulk was there before Peyton. But once Faulk was gone they made sure there was an EJ, then a Addai then a Brown.

Like I said before agree to disagree...........and enjoy the games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes we agree temple.</p>
<p>I have always given the eagles D the credit. Of all the playoffs runs the 2003 defense was the weakest. </p>
<p>Now as far as the Eagles are cheap&#8230;&#8230;.I have been saying that since I was a child of the 80s. Philly is the East coast version of Chicago.</p>
<p>All their teams and owners are cheap just like Chicago. Except they have been waiting for their savior Michael Jordan to come and win multiple championships so that they won&#8217;t be the laughing stock of the east coast.</p>
<p>And yes I undertsand that Faulk was there before Peyton. But once Faulk was gone they made sure there was an EJ, then a Addai then a Brown.</p>
<p>Like I said before agree to disagree&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and enjoy the games.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll holla back later...I think there are some things where we definitely agree...cutler, golden boyz, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll holla back later&#8230;I think there are some things where we definitely agree&#8230;cutler, golden boyz, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Origin: 

Please don't forget that the Eagles had the #4 defense in the NFL last season.  McNabb did a ton of heavy lifting, but guys like Trent Cole do actually come to work every day and earn the occasional pay check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Origin: </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t forget that the Eagles had the #4 defense in the NFL last season.  McNabb did a ton of heavy lifting, but guys like Trent Cole do actually come to work every day and earn the occasional pay check.</p>
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