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Friday Fire: Better Career…Jason Kidd Or Steve Nash?

Nash two MVP’s in highlighted span. Kidd two Finals appearances. Nash better shooter. Kidd better all around player. Go.

Steve Nash

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 PHX 65 2 10.5 0.423 0.418 0.824 0.2 0.7 1.0 2.1 0.3 0.0 0.97 1.42 3.3
97-98 PHX 76 9 21.9 0.459 0.415 0.860 0.4 1.7 2.1 3.4 0.8 0.0 1.29 1.91 9.1
98-99 DAL 40 40 31.7 0.363 0.374 0.826 0.8 2.1 2.9 5.5 0.9 0.0 2.08 2.45 7.9
99-00 DAL 56 27 27.4 0.477 0.403 0.882 0.6 1.6 2.2 4.9 0.7 0.0 1.82 2.18 8.6
00-01 DAL 70 70 34.1 0.487 0.406 0.895 0.7 2.5 3.2 7.3 1.0 0.1 2.93 2.26 15.6
01-02 DAL 82 82 34.6 0.483 0.455 0.887 0.6 2.5 3.1 7.7 0.6 0.0 2.79 2.00 17.9
02-03 DAL 82 82 33.1 0.465 0.413 0.909 0.8 2.1 2.9 7.3 1.0 0.1 2.34 1.63 17.8
03-04 DAL 78 78 33.5 0.470 0.405 0.916 0.8 2.2 3.0 8.8 0.9 0.1 2.68 1.78 14.5
04-05 PHX 75 75 34.3 0.502 0.431 0.887 0.8 2.6 3.3 11.5 1.0 0.1 3.27 1.81 15.5
05-06 PHX 79 79 35.4 0.512 0.439 0.921 0.6 3.6 4.2 10.5 0.8 0.2 3.49 1.52 18.8
06-07 PHX 76 76 35.3 0.532 0.455 0.899 0.4 3.1 3.5 11.6 0.8 0.1 3.78 1.54 18.6
07-08 PHX 81 81 34.3 0.504 0.470 0.906 0.3 3.1 3.5 11.1 0.6 0.1 3.64 1.40 16.9
08-09 PHX 74 74 33.6 0.503 0.439 0.933 0.3 2.8 3.0 9.7 0.7 0.1 3.35 1.46 15.7
09-10 PHX 19 19 32.3 0.523 0.441 0.944 0.5 2.3 2.8 11.5 0.4 0.2 3.84 1.21 16.5
Career – 953 794 31.1 0.488 0.432 0.901 0.5 2.4 2.9 8.1 0.8 0.1 2.73 1.75 14.4
2006-07 NBA Suns 61 21 .744 1 7.27 113.9 106.4 Lost WC Semis D’Antoni (61-21)
2005-06 NBA Suns 54 28 .659 1 5.48 111.5 105.8 Lost WC Finals D’Antoni (54-28)
2004-05 NBA Suns 62 20 .756 1 7.08 114.5 107.1 Lost WC Finals D’Antoni (62-20)

Jason Kidd

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
94-95 DAL 79 79 33.8 0.385 0.272 0.698 1.9 3.5 5.4 7.7 1.9 0.3 3.16 1.85 11.7
95-96 DAL 81 81 37.5 0.381 0.336 0.692 2.5 4.3 6.8 9.7 2.2 0.3 4.05 1.91 16.6
96-97 PHX 33 23 35.5 0.423 0.400 0.688 1.0 3.8 4.8 9.0 2.4 0.4 2.30 2.18 11.6
96-97 DAL 22 22 36.0 0.369 0.323 0.667 1.4 2.7 4.1 9.1 2.0 0.4 3.00 1.91 9.9
97-98 PHX 82 82 38.0 0.416 0.313 0.799 1.3 4.9 6.2 9.1 2.0 0.3 3.18 1.73 11.6
98-99 PHX 50 50 41.2 0.444 0.366 0.757 1.7 5.0 6.8 10.8 2.3 0.4 3.00 2.16 16.9
99-00 PHX 67 67 39.0 0.409 0.337 0.829 1.4 5.8 7.2 10.1 2.0 0.4 3.37 2.21 14.3
00-01 PHX 77 76 39.8 0.411 0.297 0.814 1.2 5.2 6.4 9.8 2.2 0.3 3.71 2.22 16.9
01-02 NJN 82 82 37.3 0.391 0.321 0.814 1.6 5.7 7.3 9.9 2.1 0.2 3.49 1.66 14.7
02-03 NJN 80 80 37.4 0.414 0.341 0.841 1.4 4.9 6.3 8.9 2.2 0.3 3.70 1.59 18.7
03-04 NJN 67 66 36.6 0.384 0.321 0.827 1.3 5.1 6.4 9.2 1.8 0.2 3.19 1.64 15.5
04-05 NJN 66 65 36.9 0.398 0.360 0.740 1.4 6.0 7.4 8.3 1.9 0.1 2.53 1.67 14.4
05-06 NJN 80 80 37.2 0.404 0.352 0.795 1.1 6.2 7.3 8.4 1.9 0.4 2.40 1.96 13.3
06-07 NJN 80 80 36.7 0.406 0.343 0.778 1.7 6.5 8.2 9.2 1.6 0.3 2.66 1.82 13.0
07-08 DAL 29 29 34.9 0.426 0.461 0.815 1.2 5.2 6.5 9.5 2.1 0.4 2.79 2.59 9.9
07-08 NJN 51 51 37.2 0.366 0.356 0.820 1.1 6.9 8.1 10.4 1.4 0.3 3.63 1.76 11.3
08-09 DAL 81 81 35.6 0.416 0.406 0.819 1.0 5.1 6.2 8.7 2.0 0.5 2.28 2.07 9.0
09-10 DAL 19 19 34.9 0.433 0.487 0.900 0.5 5.1 5.6 9.1 1.8 0.5 2.74 1.37 8.6
Career – 1,126 1,113 37.1 0.402 0.344 0.782 1.4 5.2 6.7 9.2 2.0 0.3 3.12 1.89 13.7
2000-01 NBA Suns 51 31 .622 3 2.63 100.3 98.0 1st Rd Skiles (51-31)
2002-03 NBA Nets 49 33 .598 1 4.42 103.8 98.1 Lost Finals Scott (49-33)
2001-02 NBA Nets 52 30 .634 1 3.67 104.0 99.5 Lost Finals Scott (52-30)

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13 Responses to “Friday Fire: Better Career…Jason Kidd Or Steve Nash?”

  1. KJtheGreat says:
    December 4, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Great question. But because he’s from Canada (hockey anyone) and basketball isn’t even his first sport (soccer), got robbed by Robert Horry of a chance to play in the Finals and was the best player in the NBA, twice, I’d give it to Nash.

  2. Tariq says:
    December 4, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Not even close. Jason Kidd all the way.

    Jason Kidd > Tiny Archibald > Chauncey Billups > Kevin Johnson > Steve Nash

    BUT Nash is still a great player. Not a GOOD player, a GREAT player. Or, at the VERY least, a DAMN GOOD player.

  3. KevDog says:
    December 4, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Is this even a serious question? J. Kidd by a country mile. It ain’t even close, debatable or worth any moment of thought.

  4. Mizzo says:
    December 4, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    I raise the question fam because I have been debating this the last few days with a few people.

    My concern is how Kidd will be viewed along side Nash historically.

  5. Temple3 says:
    December 4, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    I don’t think this is even a conversation. Not close by even the most generous standards. Kidd is vastly superior.

  6. mizzo says:
    December 4, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    But dude has two MVP awards.

  7. KevDog says:
    December 5, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Yeah, as many as Kobe and Shaq combined. Shows how legit the award is.

  8. Mizzo says:
    December 5, 2009 at 1:12 am

    I gotta tell you these discussions need to happen because popular opinion will sway future legacies. That’s why I asked this question. I know it’s obvious but Steve Nash is now a Hall of Fame player based on two years. Absurd.

  9. Okori Wadsworth says:
    December 5, 2009 at 3:38 am

    Mizz…. I hate to say it…. but Steve Nash is a hall of fame player because he’s white. If he were black he’d be treated like people treat Jason Kidd.

  10. Jerold Wells Jr. says:
    December 7, 2009 at 6:56 am

    If he were black? Come on Okori. If he were black….. WITH THOSE NUMBERS….. he’d be considered among the best ever. Of all time. In the history of the game.

    I like Kidd. HOFer for sure. I also happen to be a Nash apologist. He’s to my generation what Stockton, Mark Price, and Chris Mullin were to my big brothers and uncles….. The white dude that demands respect. He gets wherever he to wants to on the court. He’s a flawless pick and roll player. Great shooter, crafty in the paint, good with both hands around the basket.

    Dude made A’mare better. He made Shawn Marion a multi millionaire. He made Dirk better.

    He doesn’t play defense. Okay……. And? Few in the NBA do.

    Would I take him over Kidd? No I wouldn’t. I think JK, even without a consistent jumper, is the best PG of his generation. I also think if he could score like Nash can he’d he top 3 all time.

  11. Mizzo says:
    December 7, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Jerold, to what does he owe his two MVP awards? Get out of the moment and scrutinize your aforementioned list. They have no MVP awards.

    He made Amar’e better? Really? How? Banging it on dudes head…off the oop or on the break…with the power and fury of a Chuck Barkley dunker’s uncle?

    With these rules, his athletic control in and out of the lane allows him to pick and choose where to pass the ball without being physically pummeled.

    I don’t care if his numbers were 15 and 15. Hell 15 and 20. There is nothing logical that Steve Nash deserved ONE MVP award when Jason Kidd has none and TWO Finals appearances.

    Numbers are inflated because of the system and the system is flawed because of its dubious propensity to not win in the playoffs. EVER.

    Terrell Lowery at Loyola Marymount. Was he ever considered the best guard in college history based on his output?

    Mark Price would murder Steve Nash…give him Tyson bolos with those shoulders he used to get in and out of the lane (old rules) rather than bust your knee caps and all that with sick triples.

    Just because he’s the White dude to be respected does not an MVP make. His talent has nothing to do with race. Great player. Overstated by history. Race is added by others who seek to place him among the GOAT.

    How does he have the same amount of MVP trophies as Kobe and LeBron? More than Payton and Kidd? Iverson and Webber? Robinson and Dream? Mo Malone and Isiah Thomas? Fat Lever and Alvin Robertson? Wilkins and Ice Man? Doc and Dennis Johnson?

    C’mon man! Get out of here with that shit. That list is ridiculous and just off the top of my head.

    Let’s inflate his numbers and give him 6 great seasons. I mean great. Does that alone permit his inclusion into the HOF? Why?

  12. TC says:
    December 9, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    I gotta go with KevDog on this. The debate itself is an insult to the superiority of J.Kidd. I understand your point Mizzo, but if any young buck tries to claim in 2030 that Steve Nash was the best PG of the ’00s, I’ll just point out Kidd’s assist, rebound, defense numbers. Yeah, Nash won 2 MVPs and he’s a real nice player, but the 2 MVPs were ridiculous. Maybe the first one….maybe……but absolutely not two.

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