The Starting Five NFL Championship Sunday Recap

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First off, congratulations to fans of the Indianapolis Colts and the New Orleans Saints. It’s been a while since two number one seeds faced each other in the Super Bowl.

New Orleans Saints 31, Minnesota Vikings 28 OT

Fans of the Vikings have to be sick of losing championship games. The last two seasons where there was so much Super Bowl hope, they have lost by the barest of margins. There were a lot of weird stuff on the last drive of both teams. For the Saints: spot on 4th and inches after an apparent fumble, holding against defender guarding Colston, pass interference call when ball was definitely out of reach). Vikings: Brett passing across his body when he could’ve at least got back to the line of scrimmage or just threw the ball away with a chance to win. Before that, the 12 men in the huddle penalty. You never see that at that stage of the game. Brett calling a timeout after one was already called.

Just weird stuff.

Adrian Peterson has to hold on to the ball. He had an otherwise great game (122 and 3tds), but putting the ball on the carpet has to cease. Brett Favre threw the interception most thought he would throw and again will have to mull over his potential last NFL pass. For the Vikings to still be in the game after giving the ball away 5 times shows the Saints are a little overrated. They got it done but we outplayed everywhere. 77 yards after halftime is not going to win you a Super Bowl and if they are gonna get it done, they obviously have to have a better offensive showing.

For Eagles fans out there who want Donovan McNabb out of town, trust that Brad Childress will do everything in his power to secure the underapprecated signal caller. One thing Donovan doesn’t do is give the ball away to the other team.

Defensively for the Saints, the attack plan worked in earnest. They hit 4 every chance they got and beat the mess out of him. Just like what happened to Warner, the Saints might have retired two quarterbacks just by pummeling them into submission.

I must say that I can’t get into this New Orleans Katrina stuff. If the Saints really wanted to do something special they would have filled the arena with Ninth Ward citizens in the first game the Superdome reopened and had more of a disadvantaged focus during playoff runs after the disaster. When that gets done, I’ll buy in to the sentiment but until then it’s insulting.

You gotta give it to the Saints for getting it done, but the Colts will be prohibitive favorites.

Scoring Summary
FIRST QUARTER MIN NOR
TD 09:35 Adrian Peterson 19 Yd Run (Ryan Longwell Kick) 7 0
TD 06:30 Pierre Thomas 38 Yd Pass From Drew Brees (Garrett Hartley Kick) 7 7
TD 02:11 Sidney Rice 5 Yd Pass From Brett Favre (Ryan Longwell Kick) 14 7
SECOND QUARTER MIN NOR
TD 10:30 Devery Henderson 9 Yd Pass From Drew Brees (Garrett Hartley Kick) 14 14
THIRD QUARTER MIN NOR
TD 12:56 Pierre Thomas 9 Yd Run (Garrett Hartley Kick) 14 21
TD 07:35 Adrian Peterson 1 Yd Run (Ryan Longwell Kick) 21 21
FOURTH QUARTER MIN NOR
TD 12:39 Reggie Bush 5 Yd Pass From Drew Brees (Garrett Hartley Kick) 21 28
TD 04:58 Adrian Peterson 2 Yd Run (Ryan Longwell Kick) 28 28
OVERTIME MIN NOR
FG 10:15 Garrett Hartley 40 Yd 28 31
Team Stat Comparison
1st Downs 31 15
Passing 1st downs 17 8
Rushing 1st downs 10 4
1st downs from Penalties 4 3
3rd down efficiency 7-12 3-12
4th down efficiency 0-0 1-1
Total Plays 82 55
Total Yards 475 257
Passing 310 189
Comp-Att 28-46 17-31
Yards per pass 6.7 6.1
Rushing 165 68
Rushing Attempts 36 23
Yards per rush 4.6 3.0
Red Zone (Made-Att) 4-6 3-3
Penalties 5-32 9-88
Turnovers 5 1
Fumbles lost 3 1
Interceptions thrown 2 0
Defensive / Special Teams TDs 0 0
Possession 36:49 27:56
Minnesota Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING
B. Favre 28/46 310 6.7 1 2 70.0
Team 28/46 310 6.7 1 2
New Orleans Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING
D. Brees 17/31 197 6.4 3 0 106.5
Team 17/31 189 6.1 3 0
Minnesota Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LG
A. Peterson 25 122 4.9 3 27
C. Taylor 6 28 4.7 0 14
P. Harvin 4 15 3.8 0 10
B. Favre 1 0 0.0 0 0
Team 36 165 4.6 3 27
New Orleans Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LG
P. Thomas 14 61 4.4 1 12
R. Bush 7 8 1.1 0 6
D. Brees 1 0 0.0 0 0
L. Hamilton 1 -1 -1.0 0 0
Team 23 68 3.0 1 12
Minnesota Receiving
REC YDS AVG TD LG TGTS
B. Berrian 9 102 11.3 0 30 12
V. Shiancoe 4 83 20.8 0 26 6
S. Rice 4 43 10.8 1 20 11
P. Harvin 5 38 7.6 0 20 8
C. Taylor 3 18 6.0 0 11 6
A. Peterson 2 14 7.0 0 11 2
J. Kleinsasser 1 12 12.0 0 12 1
Team 28 310 11.1 1 30 46
New Orleans Receiving
REC YDS AVG TD LG TGTS
D. Henderson 4 39 9.8 1 16 6
P. Thomas 2 38 19.0 1 38 3
R. Bush 2 33 16.5 1 28 4
D. Thomas 3 32 10.7 0 17 6
M. Colston 2 22 11.0 0 13 5
R. Meachem 2 19 9.5 0 12 3
J. Shockey 1 9 9.0 0 9 2
L. Moore 1 5 5.0 0 5 1
Team 17 197 11.6 3 38 30
Minnesota Fumbles
FUM LOST REC
A. Peterson 2 0 0
P. Harvin 1 1 0
B. Favre 1 1 0
B. Berrian 1 1 0
D. Reynaud 1 0 0
K. Onatolu 0 0 1
Team 6 3 1
New Orleans Fumbles
FUM LOST REC
D. Brees 2 0 0
R. Bush 1 1 0
J. Vilma 0 0 1
R. Ayodele 0 0 1
S. Fujita 0 0 1
Team 3 1 3
Minnesota Interceptions
INT YDS TD
Team 0 0 0
New Orleans Interceptions
INT YDS TD
T. Porter 1 26 0
J. Vilma 1 3 0
Team 2 29 0
Minnesota Defensive
TACKLES MISC
TOT SOLO SACKS TFL PD QB HTS TD
C. Greenway 8 7 0 1 0 0 0
M. Williams 6 6 0 0 0 0 0
B. Leber 5 4 0 1 2 0 0
P. Williams 5 4 0 0 0 0 0
A. Winfield 4 4 0 0 0 0 0
R. Edwards 3 3 1 0 0 2 0
J. Brinkley 3 2 0 1 0 0 0
J. Allen 2 2 0 0 0 1 0
A. Allen 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
K. Williams 2 2 0 1 1 1 0
T. Johnson 2 2 0 1 0 0 0
B. Sapp 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
B. Berrian 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
C. Griffin 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
V. Shiancoe 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Dugan 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
E. Frampton 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
H. Abdullah 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Sullivan 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
H. Farwell 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Kennedy 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
A. Peterson 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Team 54 49 1 5 3 4 0
New Orleans Defensive
TACKLES MISC
TOT SOLO SACKS TFL PD QB HTS TD
D. Sharper 11 7 0 0 0 2 0
S. Shanle 10 8 0 0 0 0 0
T. Porter 8 8 0 0 1 0 0
J. Greer 8 7 0 0 2 0 0
R. Harper 7 6 0 0 0 0 0
W. Smith 6 5 0 0 0 0 0
S. Ellis 6 2 0 0 0 0 0
J. Vilma 5 5 0 0 2 0 0
R. Ayodele 5 4 0 0 0 0 0
S. Fujita 5 3 0 0 0 1 0
R. Gay 3 3 0 0 0 0 0
B. McCray 2 2 0 0 1 1 0
A. Hargrove 2 1 0 1 0 1 0
M. Mitchell 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
U. Young 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
L. Hamilton 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Charleston 1 0 0 0 0 1 0
Team 82 64 0 1 6 6 0
Minnesota Kick Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
P. Harvin 2 33 16.5 17 0
Team 2 33 16.5 17 0
New Orleans Kick Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
C. Roby 5 143 28.6 61 0
P. Thomas 1 40 40.0 40 0
Team 6 183 30.5 61 0
Minnesota Punt Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
D. Reynaud 3 15 5.0 9 0
Team 3 15 5.0 9 0
New Orleans Punt Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
R. Bush 1 0 0.0 0 0
Team 1 0 0.0 0 0
Minnesota Kicking
FG PCT LONG XP PTS
R. Longwell 0/0 0.0 4/4 4
Team 0/0 0.0 4/4 4
New Orleans Kicking
FG PCT LONG XP PTS
G. Hartley 1/1 100.0 40 4/4 7
Team 1/1 100.0 40 4/4 7
Minnesota Punting
TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG
C. Kluwe 4 156 39.0 0 2 44
Team 4 156 39.0 0 2 44
New Orleans Punting
TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG
T. Morstead 7 359 51.3 0 4 63
Team 7 359 51.3 0 4 63

ATTENDANCE: 71,276

Indianapolis Colts 30, New York Jets 17

I’m happy for Jim Caldwell. The should have been 2009-2010 NFL Coach of the Year shut up all the haters by focusing on what the true goal is and that’s getting the Colts to the Super Bowl. Who cares about going undefeated if you don’t win the big game?

Peyton Manning ate up the Jets defense and the Colts also ran the ball masterfully considering their paltry regular season ranking.

Pierre Garcon stepped up big when the Jets tried to take away Reggie Wayne. He’s a really nice receiver. He has size, speed and serious talent. Must have been great for him to show out after what is going on in Haiti. Props to him.

Mark Sanchez did what he could. I thought he got a little impatient in the latter stages by checking off to running backs too soon, but he has the makings of a great one. I also thought Braylon Edwards should have been more of a focus after the opening drive 80 yard bomb, but when you have a reputation for dropping the ball, he has no one to blame but himself.

Darrelle Revis was given the business after having a decent first half. The Jets had to play the perfect game to win and as Miranda said, only did the damn thing in the first half. It takes two halves to tango.

Scoring Summary
SECOND QUARTER NYJ IND
FG 14:56 Matt Stover 25 Yd 0 3
TD 14:45 Braylon Edwards 80 Yd Pass From Mark Sanchez (Jay Feely Kick) 7 3
FG 08:44 Matt Stover 19 Yd 7 6
TD 04:53 Dustin Keller 9 Yd Pass From Mark Sanchez (Jay Feely Kick) 14 6
FG 02:11 Jay Feely 48 Yd 17 6
TD 01:13 Austin Collie 16 Yd Pass From Peyton Manning (Matt Stover Kick) 17 13
THIRD QUARTER NYJ IND
TD 08:03 Pierre Garcon 4 Yd Pass From Peyton Manning (Matt Stover Kick) 17 20
FOURTH QUARTER NYJ IND
TD 08:52 Dallas Clark 15 Yd Pass From Peyton Manning (Matt Stover Kick) 17 27
FG 02:29 Matt Stover 21 Yd 17 30
Team Stat Comparison
1st Downs 17 27
Passing 1st downs 13 19
Rushing 1st downs 4 5
1st downs from Penalties 0 3
3rd down efficiency 6-14 4-11
4th down efficiency 0-0 0-0
Total Plays 60 65
Total Yards 388 461
Passing 302 360
Comp-Att 18-31 26-39
Yards per pass 9.7 9.2
Rushing 86 101
Rushing Attempts 29 24
Yards per rush 3.0 4.2
Red Zone (Made-Att) 1-1 3-6
Penalties 6-46 1-5
Turnovers 1 1
Fumbles lost 0 1
Interceptions thrown 1 0
Defensive / Special Teams TDs 0 0
Possession 28:35 31:25
NY Jets Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING
M. Sanchez 17/30 257 8.6 2 1 93.3
B. Smith 1/1 45 45.0 0 0 118.8
Team 18/31 302 9.7 2 1
Indianapolis Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING
P. Manning 26/39 377 9.7 3 0 123.6
Team 26/39 360 9.2 3 0
NY Jets Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LG
T. Jones 16 42 2.6 0 12
S. Greene 10 41 4.1 0 13
T. Richardson 1 2 2.0 0 2
M. Sanchez 2 1 0.5 0 2
Team 29 86 3.0 0 13
Indianapolis Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LG
J. Addai 16 80 5.0 0 17
D. Brown 6 18 3.0 0 12
M. Hart 1 3 3.0 0 3
P. Manning 1 0 0.0 0 0
Team 24 101 4.2 0 17
NY Jets Receiving
REC YDS AVG TD LG TGTS
J. Cotchery 5 102 20.4 0 45 7
B. Edwards 2 100 50.0 1 80 5
D. Keller 6 63 10.5 1 19 7
T. Jones 2 28 14.0 0 18 3
B. Smith 2 7 3.5 0 6 3
T. Richardson 1 2 2.0 0 2 3
D. Clowney 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
Team 18 302 16.8 2 80 30
Indianapolis Receiving
REC YDS AVG TD LG TGTS
P. Garcon 11 151 13.7 1 36 15
A. Collie 7 123 17.6 1 46 9
R. Wayne 3 55 18.3 0 25 5
D. Clark 4 35 8.8 1 15 8
J. Addai 1 13 13.0 0 13 1
G. Robinson 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
Team 26 377 14.5 3 46 39
NY Jets Fumbles
FUM LOST REC
J. Leonhard 0 0 1
Team 0 0 1
Indianapolis Fumbles
FUM LOST REC
J. Addai 1 1 0
R. Wayne 1 0 0
Team 2 1 0
NY Jets Interceptions
INT YDS TD
Team 0 0 0
Indianapolis Interceptions
INT YDS TD
K. Hayden 1 3 0
Team 1 3 0
NY Jets Defensive
TACKLES MISC
TOT SOLO SACKS TFL PD QB HTS TD
D. Harris 11 11 2 2 0 2 0
K. Rhodes 8 7 0 0 0 0 0
C. Pace 7 6 0 0 0 1 0
D. Lowery 5 5 0 0 1 0 0
J. Leonhard 4 4 0 0 1 0 0
J. Ihedigbo 4 2 0 0 0 2 0
M. DeVito 4 2 0 0 0 0 0
D. Coleman 3 3 0 0 0 0 0
M. Douglas 3 2 0 1 0 0 0
W. Wright 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
D. Revis 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
L. Sheppard 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
B. Scott 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
S. Pouha 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
M. Murrell 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
B. Thomas 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
D. Strickland 1 1 0 0 1 0 0
D. Clowney 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
B. Smith 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
V. Gholston 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Team 67 54 2 3 3 5 0
Indianapolis Defensive
TACKLES MISC
TOT SOLO SACKS TFL PD QB HTS TD
G. Brackett 8 6 0 1 0 0 0
J. Lacey 7 6 0 0 0 0 0
C. Session 7 5 0 1 0 1 0
K. Hayden 6 5 0 0 2 0 0
A. Bethea 5 5 0 1 0 0 0
D. Muir 5 3 0 0 0 0 0
P. Wheeler 5 3 0 0 0 1 0
R. Mathis 4 1 0 0 0 1 0
E. Foster 3 2 0 0 0 0 0
D. Freeney 3 1 0 1 0 0 0
K. Dawson 3 0 0 0 0 0 0
R. Brock 2 2 0 0 0 1 0
M. Bullitt 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
R. Humber 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
C. Glenn 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
F. Keiaho 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
C. Simpson 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
R. Diem 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
T. Jennings 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Silva 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Team 69 48 0 4 2 4 0
NY Jets Kick Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
B. Smith 5 139 27.8 30 0
Team 5 139 27.8 30 0
Indianapolis Kick Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
C. Simpson 3 83 27.7 33 0
Team 3 83 27.7 33 0
NY Jets Punt Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
J. Cotchery 1 12 12.0 12 0
Team 1 12 12.0 12 0
Indianapolis Punt Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
T. Rushing 1 4 4.0 4 0
Team 1 4 4.0 4 0
NY Jets Kicking
FG PCT LONG XP PTS
J. Feely 1/3 33.3 48 2/2 5
Team 1/3 33.3 48 2/2 5
Indianapolis Kicking
FG PCT LONG XP PTS
M. Stover 3/3 100.0 25 3/3 12
Team 3/3 100.0 25 3/3 12
NY Jets Punting
TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG
S. Weatherford 4 204 51.0 1 2 61
Team 4 204 51.0 1 2 61
Indianapolis Punting
TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG
P. McAfee 4 185 46.3 0 2 56
Team 4 185 46.3 0 2 56

ATTENDANCE: 67,650

24 Responses to “The Starting Five NFL Championship Sunday Recap”

  1. Temple3 says:

    Mizz:

    A couple of thoughts on yesterday’s games…

    1) I think a big reason why the Saints were dominated defensively by the Vikings was because Ben Leber and Chad Greenway locked up the middle zone. Without Shockey in the middle, Brees needed more time to find receivers that simply weren’t open. Every time Colston touched a ball in the middle, he was popped, grabbed, and manhandled. Thomas is not an acceptable substitute at TE. If Shockey is healthy in the Super Bowl, you’ll see a different offense.

    2) The Saints defense clearly focused on two things: forcing turnovers and taking away Sidney Rice. They did a great job of forcing turnovers and a spectacular job of taking away Sidney Rice. 11 targets, 4 catches, 0 big plays. The Steelers used a similar approach against the Vikings, but they focused on locking down Peterson instead of taking away Rice. Rice killed them, Peterson didn’t. Yesterday, it was the reverse, but the common theme was turnovers at the QB position.

    3) Sean Payton demonstrated why the Eagles don’t win games like this. In the second half, with the Vikings effectively sitting on the Saints’ heads, Payton STILL ran the ball 14 times and passed 15 times. That balance allowed the Saints to shorten the game and keep their play book open for the final drive. New Orleans didn’t face a lot of 3rd and long situations. The Vikings just dominated them on 3rd and short all day long. But, the Saints commitment to the run kept them out of those downs and distances where turnovers happen. Andy Reid could learn a thing or two from Payton.

    4) Revis played well in both halves. I’m not sure who “gave him the business.” The Jets didn’t move him around as much as they did vs the Chargers. Reggie Wayne made one “big” play all game. Revis played him brilliantly in the red zone. Three catches, 55 yards, 0 scores. He’s a straight up beast. ESPN actually showed a drive with the spotlight on Revis — and Manning never even looked over there. Indy marched down the field throwing to Garcon. TD — game, set, match!

    5) I think that statistics are meaningless when it comes to Indy. The Colts have a deeper approach to the game. Peyton reads the defense and takes what is there. If the run is there, they run. If the pass is there, they pass. If Wayne is covered, they go somewhere else. This team is the perfect counter puncher. You commit, they dissect.

  2. Patrick says:

    …”5) I think that statistics are meaningless when it comes to Indy. The Colts have a deeper approach to the game. Peyton reads the defense and takes what is there. If the run is there, they run. If the pass is there, they pass. If Wayne is covered, they go somewhere else. This team is the perfect counter puncher. You commit, they dissect…”

    Garcon and Collie were able to make big plays (catches) and I give them credit. However, when Shon Greene went down early in the second half, it deflated the Jets a little bit. The Jets defense were still trying to pressure, but it seems the Colts were able to protect Peyton better in the second half.

    Many have let Jay Feely off the hook, but his missed FGs were turning points in the game as well.

  3. Patrick says:

    …”Andy Reid could learn a thing or two from Payton…”

    Andy Reid won’t learn anything until McNabb/Vick leaves and he is left with Kevin Kolb. Once Kolb starts to struggle, we will see a “I have seen the light” moment.

  4. Patrick says:

    ….”I’m happy for Jim Caldwell. The should have been 2009-2010 NFL Coach of the Year shut up all the haters by focusing on what the true goal is and that’s getting the Colts to the Super Bowl. Who cares about going undefeated if you don’t win the big game?..”

    Coach Caldwell deserves a lot of credit, but often he doesn’t receives those props even from Colts fans, who believes Peyton is the REAL COACH and Caldwell is just along for the ride. If the Colts would have lost against the Jets, the cameras and attention would be directed toward Caldwell.

  5. Temple3 says:

    Patrick: I agree on all of that.

    I would add that I thought the Jets needed to suck it up and punt on the second field goal. I know they wanted to get some momentum, but Feely isn’t great from that distance.

  6. HarveyDent says:

    Miz,

    I have to give it up as the late TP sang and say I’ve come over to your thinking that the Donovan F. McNabb Era is over in Philly. Seeing the Vikes lose yesterday and Favre saying he’s done today has shown me that it lines up too perfect for the Eagles not to pull the trigger on a trade. I don’t want it to happen, I still stand by that, but the fact Reid will never commit to a power running game with McNabb under center and the defense won’t be Super Bowl-caliber in time for a run next year has convinced me that #5 is better off without the Eagles than the other way around.

    Kevin Kolb will be a decent enough starter and even win some games for the Eagles but he’s not going to be able to put this team on his back like Donovan did and ultimately that will lead to a rebuilding phase for the team. On the other hand, if and probably when McNabb lands in Minny with a stud RB who actually runs the ball and a mauling defense then it’s only a matter of games until a McNabb-led Vikes team is hoisting a Lombardi in Big D next February.

    I don’t want to see it but it’s comin’, bro.

  7. Mizzo says:

    It’s over fam. I’m resigned to it. If he comes back, thank you, but I think the fans will maul him if he does no matter what. Their eyes are so one dimensional they don’t see other “great” qbs falling in the playoffs.

    If he does land in Arizona or Minny Nice, I will rock his jersey. Straight up.

  8. Ron Glover says:

    We went through this with Barkley,Randall and Iverson, now it’s McNabbs turn and if/when Ryan Howard has a subpar season or three we’ll hear the tradewinds blowing for his departure. No brutha is exempt

    For goodness sake, they traded Mo’ Cheeks and he was the last one to know!

  9. Temple3 says:

    For all future Viking fans:

    Please be advised that Pat Williams is 37 and thinking about retirement just as much as Favre. The jury is still out, but the Vikings began to dominate defensively when they put Pat Williams in front of Jahri Evans. Evans had mauled and pancaked Kevin Williams a few times before the switch was made. Don’t get ahead of yourselves.

    The Vikings will have to earn it next year.

  10. Mizzo says:

    Man you crazy. A Vikings team with McNabb under center would be sick. This is just like Randall. I don’t think anyone really understood how good he was until he left the Eagles. Yes Pat is getting up there, but look at the pieces that would be around him.

    I’m running with that. For the record, I’d still be an Eagles fan. I just rock with 5 until his NFL career sets.

  11. Temple3 says:

    That Viking team would be sick — on paper. They don’t play games on paper :) They play them in stadiums with screaming fans and wind and snow and rain or in domes with aggressive underrated defenders to take the ball from unsuspecting offensive studs.

    No one is guaranteed anything in this league or in this world. They might be good. McNabb might actually stay healthy for an entire season (knock on all the wood you can find). Peterson might stop fumbling. Percy Harvin might not get any more migraines. E.J. Henderson might come back better than ever. The Vikings might have a great draft — they might not. They might lose depth at a key position.

    Conversely, the Giants might return to form with one more year of development for Steve Smith, Mario Manningham and Hakeem Nicks. The Cowboys might be better. The Packers might take a quantum leap forward if their offensive line is healthy all year. Anquan Boldin might be healthy down the stretch and allow Arizona to throttle Minnesota in the desert — AGAIN.

    And that’s to say nothing of the Saints, Panthers (without Jake Delhomme), and Bears.

    Let’s just wait and see what happens.

  12. Temple3 says:

    In ’98, its not like Randall started the season as the QB. He came in because of an injury to Brad Johnson. At the time, Johnson wasn’t a total bum. He threw 4 touchdowns in his first game. In ’98, Randall’s national coming out party was in Week 5 on a Monday night vs. Favre and the Packers.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199810050gnb.htm

    Bad Brett threw 3 picks and the Vikings were on their way.

    Just bear in mind that there are a handful of teams that match up well against these Vikings — on paper: the Giants, Cardinals and Panthers are well-suited to play Minnesota. If Minnesota has to play two of these teams in the playoffs next season, don’t be surprised if they don’t make it all the way through. If they get Philadelphia, Dallas, and/or New Orleans again (without Shockey), they should be fine.

    It’s gonna come down to health and matchups. And without Pat Williams, that run defense won’t be as stout as it was on Sunday.

  13. Big Man says:

    Temple is always the voice of reason on football. Good point on the middle throws, and on the fact that McNabb isn’t guaranteed anything in Minnesota.

  14. Origin says:

    Great points Temple and Mizzo.

    Yes brotha Temple there is no guarantee with a superbowl.

    But I like the odds in a league that is about stadiums and kick backs.

    There are always mights and ifs in sports and injury is a big key in football.

    I mean maybe the Steelers repeat if Big Ben doesn’t bust his head open on a bike. Or Troy doesn’t hurt his knee this year.

    As far as Pat Willaims quiting I think the Vikings can replace him………..Mr. Wolf is all about going for broke. This isn’t your father’s owner of the vikings. Wolf needs a stadium ASAP and I don’t know if this conference championship run will be able to sway the fans to vote yes on a billion dollar stadium. Plus with Farve possibly retiring Zigi needs a few more winning seasons with a long playoff run to convince the fanatics to say yes to a new stadium.

    I like the vikings chances with Mcnabb and Zigi throwing money around in a no salary cap season.

    The vikings greatest issue is getting AP to stop fumbling and winning out doors(which they have struggled with for decades, but so do most Dome teams not named the Colts).

    As far as AP’s fumbling issues……….he will be fine and work them out. Many a great to good backs have had fumbling issues and corrected them. From Barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas to Tiki Barber. I don’t think he will be a fumbling machine for most of his career like Eric Dickerson. Or let the fumbling get to him mentally like Blair Thomas.

    And Temple please don’t say that the vikings have to fear the bears. Yeah I know they beat them this year………but that team is a total joke. The only reason that Lovie still has a job is because the Mckaskey’s are too cheap to fire him and pay his last 2 years of salary.

    The team has an old OL and the defense is old and beat up. And I will be shocked if that cheap franchise actually spends money this offseason.

    The bears are so cheap they make the eagles look like the Rockefeller family when it comes to spending money.

  15. Origin says:

    Oh and like you Harvey I have thrown in the towel too with Mcnabb in Philly.

    Except I threw it in 3 years ago.

    I have been saying the last 3 years this is where Mcnabb needs to go.

    Mizzo and I even had a conversation about the very issue here……..2 years ago. He was arguing that he didn’t want a young black QB (TJ) to get shafted and not get a chance to develop.

    My argument was he was going to get shafted anyway and a golden boy QB would get the gig. When Mcnabb could get the gig and mentor TJ. Cause most likely the golden boy would have no interest in mentoring TJ.

    3 months later Farve steps in and the rest is history.

  16. Mizzo says:

    You are misunderstanding my brotha. I’m speaking of how Randall was perceived here. This Minnesota team isn’t as talented as ’98′s (Suckas to the side I know ya hate my ’98! You’re gonna get yours! Sorry I had to throw that in there).

    Of course you have to play the games, but I want McNabb outta here. Period. I see him with the best shot at winning in Minnesota and Arizona. It might be good for TJ to learn something from 5 regarding being strong with the ball.

  17. Temple3 says:

    Mizzo:

    Agreed. Do you think part of that was simply embarrassment at actually wanting to get rid of a great player? It would make every one of the media horde and the talk radio mob look like an ass. I’d think they’d want to fake the funk. It would be interesting to go back and pull the papers to see whether or not Philly media positions changed after Randall blew up in ’98.

    I think Favre’s head would explode if McNabb won a SB in Minnesota before him.

    Origin:

    Kudos for your assessment on the Vikings. I couldn’t agree more.

    Also, while I didn’t explicitly say the Vikings should fear the Bears (I did suggest that a playoff run involving the Giants, Panthers and/or Cardinals could be a problem), I hope you recognize the irony of your position. I could have said something very similar about the Bengals last year. Marvin Lewis is only there because the owners are too cheap to pay a new coach. They have a no name line and a defense with Dhani Jones starting at LB. No need to worry.

    That’s why they play the games. Next year, you get Arizona at home and you also get NEW times 3 on the road: New Orleans, New England and New York Jets. It should be interesting for all concerned. :)

    BTW, I’d love to see McNabb have the benefit of the Vikings lineup. He could use the vindication. We could call it No Excuses II.

  18. HarveyDent says:

    T3

    Take this from a McNabb fan but he doesn’t need vindication because if he called it quits tonight he would go down as one of the best QB’s of his era. His coach and his team’s fans need the vindication more than he ever will because I can truly say he laid it out there for those bastards every season with little or not support. Football is the ultimate team sport but I’ll be damned if many seasons it didn’t seem like McNabb was the only one playing at his level offensively. Special players like that will get you close but without a strong supporting cast or intelligent playcalling unless Lady Luck tongue kisses you for the month of January, close is all you will get.

    The Eagles’ fans who are screaming for a change need to realize they’re playing with fire because there are no guarantees Kolb or even the next five QB’s after McNabb will do a quarter of the things he’s done for that town. Go ahead and pull the trigger and I’ll still rock my Dawkins and McNabb jerseys as throwbacks to remind my fellow Eagles fans who thought losing two HOF’s was no big deal over what they threw away.

    Miz, get ready for some lean days because this team is going to be in the desert another fifty years without a title.

  19. Origin says:

    Great points Harvey.

    I think thats what Reid is thinking over too. Cause if Mcnabb is gone……….that might end Reids career in Philly too.

    Maybe he can pimp it to another gig.

    A lot of the folks in Philly think Reid is cowher and that the Eagles are gonna replace Mcnabb like the steelers did with so many QBs.

    First the eagles don’t have an eye for defensive players like the steelers have had over the last 2 decades. Second the Eagles are cheap like the steelers………but the steelers always have a plain B. They don’t let folks go and not have a backup…….and they are great and I mean great at developing players.

    Last Cowher may have been considered a choke artist. But he was known to focus on Defense, special teams, running the ball and not turning the ball over.

    But this has been the identity of the steelers for what decades.

    To be honest the Eagles have never (in my lifetime) had an identity. I mean what are they known for really???

    Having mobile QBs with no help around them??? Yes

    Always having a great MLB? Nope

    Always having great running games? Nope

    Always having great special teams? Nope

    Always having great WRs? Nope

    Always playing hard nose physical defense? Nope

    Always punching folks in the mouth and taking names? Nope

    Even as sorry as my bears have been over the years they atleast have always had some form of an identity. Doesn’t matter who the coach has been. And for the most part the identity has never changed.

  20. HarveyDent says:

    Good points as well, O, but it is telling that Cowher said recently he would only get back into coaching if his future team had a true franchise QB. That tells me he understands that those kind of players don’t come along too often and when they do that teams need to ride them until the wheels fall off. A strong team with a servicable QB will get close and maybe win a few titles while a stud QB and a servicable team will more than likely score a few wins here and there without any real success. I still believe McNabb could win a SB in Philly if he had a running game, intelligent playcalling, and a defense that at least makes plays in championship games. That’s not going to happen I’ve come around to believe so it’s better for him than the Eagles for him to go to a team that will do it.

    The Eagles have an identity and it’s the same as all sports teams in Philly and that’s to run off truly talented players of color for everything but the play on the field/court. Ten years from now there will be a ceremony to retire #5′s jersey and whatever method we use to post comments then will be all abuzz by Eagles fans saying the team should have never let him go. If I was McNabb I’d give the fans and the media my behind to kiss but that’s why he has more class than I do because I’d come to press conferences in the Nova Care complex with a baseball bat to beat the hell out of those “writers.”

  21. Origin says:

    True on all points brotha Harvey.

  22. Temple3 says:

    Quick question and follow up:

    Do you think the Eagles lose in the first round if Scott Bradley, Ellis Hobbs and Brian Westbrook (no concussion) are healthy?

    If the answer to the first question is “No,” do you think anyone in the Eagles organization is going to overreact to the loss and mortgage away the future of the team?

    I ask because I want to get a sense of where you all draw the line between the clamor of the fans and the capacity of the organization to make independent decisions. After all, if Joe Montana can get the boot after 13 years and 4 rings, ANYONE can get the boot. And he went to the Pro Bowl the year after he left SF.

    Thanks.

  23. Origin says:

    Now Temple I have to answer your question with a question.

    Is Andy Reid still the coach in that game??? And does Dallas still have one of the best pass rushing defenses in the game??

    If both are yes……………the Eagles still lose.

    Also westbrook hasn’t been heathy in over 2 years. His knee is bone to bone with no cartiledge. You could see him breaking down last year as the season went on.

    And yes I think the organization will over react. Cause thats what Philly does……..

    But also I believe that Mcnabb knew last year that he had one season. I think he knew that and actually helped get Vick there….because his mindset was since I won’t be here, might as well help some folks out.

    But I am glad……….this is the first time as a professional that the ball is in his court. They try and trade him he has a say on where to go (because of his contract). He plays……then he will be a free agent at the end of the year (just don’t get hurt).

    They bench him during the season………cool too.

    That way he won’t get hurt during the season and still collects his 12 mill…….then off to free agency.

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