Monday Morning Starting Five: Mike, You Played In A Different Era So Kill That Noise About LeBron Playing in Miami

LeBron will make decisions…both good and bad

Disclaimer: Born in the Philly area. Everyone knows this. Relevant because until some crazy catastrophe happens and the record books are wiped clean, Wilt Chamberlain, IMO, is the GOAT. Yes he only won two titles but he should have more MVP’s than four. Check the stats. Going up against the best centers of all time (when the league had fewer teams) night in and night out and still putting up 50 and 25 (amazingly did not win MVP) is all I need to know. Never a follower so all the sentiment against Wilt being the GOAT does not wash my mind…

That being said, the player most consider the best of all time, Michael Jordan, was asked to comment on LeBron’s free agency choice. He doesn’t agree with LeBron going to Miami. Check the video after the links below for his exact words.

Mike…

Listen fam. Coming from a man who never took a stand on anything, to hear your comments strike as pop culture pandering, irresponsible, shortsighted and revisionist. You don’t know what you would have done in LeBron’s shoes because yes, Republicans buy them too.  Also, you didn’t have the pressure to win out the box. LeBron did and it had nothing to do with being the King. His talent was highlighted because of your accomplishments and also those iconic before you. You are arguably the greatest player of all time but to say you wouldn’t have joined Magic, Larry, Patrick or Chuck during your era is absurd. Those players were bound by long term contracts and there wasn’t the movement you see today. Yes it was a different time and a value was placed on loyalty and supreme competition but it’s different now. The money is different now. You did everything you could do to get that money. Correct? I wanted you to succeed as a baseball player. You took the leap, it didn’t work out and your fans still loved you when 3 more titles lay in wait. LeBron is young. He’s taking his leap. His legacy is his. Let him find his mind as you did yours.

LeBron never had his Scottie in Cleveland, he now has his Michael.

Oh…this isn’t about LeBron not signing with Chicago is it?

It seems folks are upset personally because of a decision made by an individual. Cats with mics are searching for anyone and everyone with intentions of getting that quote to appease the masses.

Whatever.

This world is getting crazier by the second. How does an athlete beloved by many become such an abomination? What does that say about us? People are losing their cotdamn minds agonizing over an athlete not of their name. Funny how professional sports is characterized as entertainment yet so much emotion is involved with The Decision. There are more important things going on. Trust.

Yeah you, Chuck too..

To the links…

Study: Tibetans underwent the fastest evolution in human history (CNN International)

The War Against Tupac: A Conversation with John Potash

The Music Industry’s Funny Money (The Root)

Actress Vonetta McGee Dies at 65 (Eurweb)

A Wake-Up Call in Oakland by Davey D (The Root)

Heat Supporting Cast (Contains Wade’s comments that are causing a ruckus) Has Become Better Than Expected (FanHouse)

Jackson Defends his Reaction to Gilbert’s Letter (Sports Radio Interviews)

Ashley Fox’s fine piece on Andy Reid. Definitive. I connect because I am a Dad. Eagles fans should enjoy. I used to be one of those cats… (Philly)

Mike’s LeBron comments…

24 Responses to “Monday Morning Starting Five: Mike, You Played In A Different Era So Kill That Noise About LeBron Playing in Miami”

  1. Good blog fam. Even though I’m a MJ fan(a little less of one after hearing his HOF speech), I think he was a little out of line for commenting on Lebron and his “Decision”. I also think whoever asked him the question shouldn’t have since apparently Mike isn’t holding his tongue much these days. I hear a lot of Lebron criticism and even though I don’t agree with his move, I guarantee that a lot of the noise will be silenced if the Heat come out of the gate demolishing opponents.

  2. GrandNubian says:

    Although MJ is entitled to his opinion, I don’t think he knows what he would’ve done in his era if he didn’t have Pippen. Different eras hold different opportunities. If I didn’t know any better, i’d say a lot of these former players are threatened on what could possibly transpire with the Heat and future teams to come. Make no mistake, this will become a standard in the NBA. More and more “great” players will team up and get those rings.

    One thing that need to be discussed is how the pundits place so much emphasis on in order to be considered amongst the greats, you have to have the hardware. The very minute Lebron looks out for and aligns himself with two other players who have the same goal, it’s now a “flawed” move. There are so many stipulations on the requirements to be considered great that these same idiots who come up with these requirements are confused themselves.

    My advice to Lebron is this:

    Get those 8 titles and screw everyone else and their opinions because at the end of the day, the only opinion that matters is yours.

    Hetep (peace)!

  3. Origin says:

    He shouldn’t have let the media pull him into that mess. Man I tell you kats always fall for hook line and sinker when it comes to the mainstream media.

    But in saying that his comments weren’t as mean spirited as the realgms, ESPNs and Yahoo.coms of the world try to make it out to be.

    But black folks got to get smarter with this divide and conquer mess when dealing with the media. The best thing to say in no comment or next question.

    Ain’t nobody asking Larry Bird why a scrub like Darko gets chance after chance and signing for millions of dollars. No one in the media ran to Chris Mullen when Darko was saying those god awful things about the refs daughter after the Serbia Vs. Greece game.

    But yet when its something about a black athlete the media begins to run around and ask every black person they can find.

  4. GrandNubian says:

    Good points origin……

    I agree his comments weren’t that bad (he did say that there’s nothing wrong with it). I just wish they would leave Lebron alone and let him do his thing.

  5. Mizzo says:

    But yet when its something about a black athlete the media begins to run around and ask every black person they can find.

    That’s the quote I left out and was hoping someone would say.

  6. HarveyDent says:

    I posted my thoughts on your FB page about MJ’s and particularly the Chuckster’s comments so I’ll leave that alone.

    I’ll agree with you up to a point about Wilt being the GOAT but I’m certain that many pundits and b’ball historians see him as a stat sheet stuffer and nothing more but I always enjoy reading and seeing any clips I can about him because he was and probably still is ahead of his time as the greatest center/player of all time.

    My all-time loved player though will always be Julius Erving. It’s a Philly thing as many of us on here know so I understand if others don’t get it but too a nine-year old kid in 1979, Dr. J was the be-all-to-end-all when it came to basketball with Bobby Jones a few steps behind.

  7. Mizzo says:

    No arguments from me on Doc. That’s why I tried to be as definitive as possible with the evolution piece.

  8. GrandNubian says:

    @2Face & Mizz,

    Doc was my guy growing up. I tried imitating his every move playing ball as a 9 – 10 year old. If there was one athlete that I wanted to be like, it was Dr. J. Believe me, it was not just a Philly thing. :-)

  9. nerditry says:

    There was no right move for Bron in the sea of critics that were waiting for any crumb to appear.

    Every one of these commentators bashing him are the same paternalistic fools that have been trying to tell him how to live his life and pursue his career since he was in high school. Every single step of the way, some ‘expert’ has come out to be his father figure and guide him down some sort of path that will make the commentator appear to be enlightened.

    Had he stayed in Cleveland, he would have acquiesced to sentimentality and not been a smart enough professional. No one is talking about why Mike Brown and Danny Ferry were fired ahead of James’ official free agency or that Dan Gilbert was harboring a significant amount of ill will toward him that would have been constantly swinging in whichever direction the wind was blowing. As well, Bron had no reason to trust the ownership and management of the team who had perennially failed to match him with teammates suited to his style of play.

    Had he gone to Chicago, he would have been in Michael’s shadow and joined a team with two fantastic young players, just not ones with the name recognition or pedigree of Wade. There’s no doubt that both Noah and Rose have the potential to be Top 5 in their positions in a short period of time. As well, that is a team who recently fired their head coach and have not been able to get it together since taking the Celtics to 7 games in the Playoffs.

    The Knicks move would have made him an even bigger fame whore (in perception) and subjected him to a crap team under a coach that has never been to the Finals. As well, I could not see Amare deferring to James when Amare had finally gotten his own team and could now be the man.

    The whole episode reminded me of the false outrage during Tiger’s downfall. People had invested themselves emotionally based on the marketing and presentation of James and when they found themselves bamboozled, their anger was incorrectly turned outward.

  10. Jerold Wells Jr says:

    Charles Barkley is quick to tell people who throw his ring less ness around that he never played with James Worthy/Kareem or Joe Dumars or McHale/DJ/Parish. Which is it then? Does he regret not having another similarly talented player to compliment him in his prime or is he glad he did yeomans work against one of the best to ever play, shining brightly in defeat? I like Chuck but hes flat wrong to question LeBrons legacy bc he went to the best situation to win titles.

    I dont want to hear from Mike and Barkley anyways. How about Dominique Wilkins. What would he have done if he could have teamed with another HOFer to perhaps get past the Pistons and/or Celtics.

    How about Chris Webber? Reggie Miller? How would thier careers have been different had they been able to team up with another All NBA talent in the prime of thier respective careers? Thats what I want to know.

  11. HarveyDent says:

    Amen, JW Jr.

    I know the Chuckster is a quote machine which is why he’s still on TV just as much today as he was in his playing career but his shots at LBJ, Bosh, and Wade are simply off because he tried to create the same thing only earlier when he went to Denver at the end of his career to play with The Dream, Glide, and Pipp when they were all past their primes. That almost happened to KG when joined with Pierce and Allen in Boston as well because all everyone talked about when Ainge pulled the deal off was the mileage on the new Big 3. I believe despite what the mainstream media would have us believe that many of these guys are schooled in the history of the ASSN and know that certain superstars do yeoman’s (like that word) work for the teams that drafted them and then try one last time to stumble into a ring when the last contract when said team expires. Happened to the Mailman and the Human Highlight Film, still criminally under-rated. I’m certain that LBJ and Bosh saw that and decided to call the shots instead of being dictated to. Like Nerditry said, [they] took the sentimentality out of the equation and are going for theirs. Notice no one in the media are talking about them being past their primes because they haven’t reached them yet which is why many owners in the league not named Arison or Buss are scrambling to make sure they’re $40 million slaves/unrequited lovers don’t leave them in the lurch.

    Imagine if CWebb and Reggie Miller had been able to play together in Indy or DC with Rik Smits and Mark Jackson? That’s what owners don’t want because if super-talents start congregating together then the fans left on the outside looking in will demand front offices to do what needs to be done to keep them into the upper echelons. Teams like the Clippers and again the Cavs will stay back in coach.

  12. Temple3 says:

    That’s what owners don’t want because if super-talents start congregating together then the fans left on the outside looking in will demand front offices to do what needs to be done to keep them into the upper echelons. Teams like the Clippers and again the Cavs will stay back in coach.

    Co-sign and double co-sign.

    I can’t put Chris Webber in this group. I know that he was a tremendously accomplished player and that he gets a lot of love from TSF, but the bottom line is that he was never a LAST SHOT guy. He won a great many games in his career, but as a Michigan grad, I recall quite clearly that money time belonged to Jalen Rose and Juwan Howard (who is STILL playing in the league). We all know who took the last shots in big games for the Sacramento Kings — Bibby and Vlade. Webber got his points and he even DEMOLISHED Barkley (once), but I don’t put him in the same category as absolute finishers like Dominique Wilkins and Reggie Miller.

    This is the team that should have been kept together (but for maturity, leadership, and better guards):
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WSB/1996.html

    Howard, Webber and Rasheed Wallace all played together for a hot minute in Washington. The next season, Rod Strickland came in and Rasheed went out. The next year, they even added Ben Wallace (before he was ready to beast). The next season, Webber was gone and old Mitch Richmond came in. Rasheed’s post game, combined with Webber’s perimeter game and Howard’s well-rounded scoring abilities would have made this frontline formidable — given time and a better point guard than Brent Price — but no one was ready for that…players or owners.

    These owners are not all trying to win championships because it is so costly. The paradigm of winning works in LA because of the broader financials — tv revenue, facility naming license, merchandising, etc. It works in Boston because of Auerbach’s legacy and the financials of the wealth of New England — and the Celtics are a REGIONAL team that looks like a local team.

    I think that owners tend to think of their teams like economists. If they add High Quality Player X (a small number of whom are available), it will cost Dollar Amount X. The team might win, they might not. If they add Low Quality Player Y, the team definitely will not win, but the team will spend less in salary and STILL RECEIVE comparable income from all of their revenue sources by adding the cheaper player. And, if the team takes a loss on its books — so what — the owner gets a tax deduction. They can’t lose.

  13. Origin says:

    True GN he doesn’t know. It was hard as heck for kats to be free agents then like they are now.

    Also ain’t it some mess how the media cries about free agency in the NBA and 1 and done players. Yet they were the ones that helped force the change in the rookie scale that created this free agency and one and done mess.

    Also GN the media change up the formula because they actually don’t want these guys to win. Now you know if Dirk and Nashed took less money and teamed up they would be dancing in the street and saying how they are a fine example of players putting money aside to win rings.

    Man its just constant spin………..And I can’t stand the NFL, but dang they need to hurry up with the season so that these fools in the media will leave Lebron alone.

  14. GrandNubian says:

    nerditry, J Dub, 2 Face, T3,

    Great posts!!!

  15. Origin says:

    “These owners are not all trying to win championships because it is so costly. The paradigm of winning works in LA because of the broader financials — tv revenue, facility naming license, merchandising, etc. It works in Boston because of Auerbach’s legacy and the financials of the wealth of New England — and the Celtics are a REGIONAL team that looks like a local team.

    I think that owners tend to think of their teams like economists. If they add High Quality Player X (a small number of whom are available), it will cost Dollar Amount X. The team might win, they might not. If they add Low Quality Player Y, the team definitely will not win, but the team will spend less in salary and STILL RECEIVE comparable income from all of their revenue sources by adding the cheaper player. And, if the team takes a loss on its books — so what — the owner gets a tax deduction. They can’t lose.”

    Thats it in a nut shell Temple. You and I have agreed with this concept from day one.

  16. GrandNubian says:

    @Origin

    “Now you know if Dirk and Nashed took less money and teamed up they would be dancing in the street and saying how they are a fine example of players putting money aside to win rings.”

    No argument here. That comment was right on the money. ;-)

  17. Temple3 says:

    When the Cavaliers signed Shaq, what were they actually doing?

    a.) Attempting to dupe their fan base.
    b.) Destroying their title hopes.
    c.) Slowing down an offense that already played too slow.
    d.) All of the above.

    And was this necessary??
    http://bumpshack.com/2009/07/02/shaquille-oneal-reminds-danny-ferry-whos-the-boss/

    Dan Gilbert is an interesting dude…but going from last (pre-LBJ) to 9th (Year 1) to 2nd (last year) in league attendance doesn’t prove him righteous — just greedy.

  18. pedro says:

    Magic has a beef with lebron joining heat and joining forces.I don’t thing he questions Kareem joining him and probably would have some excuse to justify one and villify the other.Bull crap.

  19. GrandNubian says:

    Here’s an interesting article on the subject:

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=16880

    “Curiously, if management would have put this trio together, such as Boston’s Danny Ainge with the Celtics Big Three of Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, this move would be hailed as genius. Or if HEAT president Pat Riley prodded and persuaded and cajoled to get Miami’s Big Three together, this would have been a landmark off-season moment.

    But because the HEAT’s Big Three largely exercised their own muscle on this move it’s viewed as something just short of cowardice, and at the very least a surefire sign they have a lack of competitive desire to beat each other.”

    That quote says it all. :-)

  20. Temple3 says:

    Absolutely — and that’s Exhibit A of the sick mind of white supremacy. On the surface, none of this appears to have a racial component to it. With so many Black folk weighing in against the move, “how could it??” But the converse application makes this crystal clear.

    Independent Black power, not that constrained kind that we see every day from elected officials, is a legitimate threat to everyone — especially Black folk who must think outside the confines of our “cells.”

    Free your mind and your ass is SURE TO FOLLOW.

  21. Temple3 says:

    FREE AGENCY—

    free: not determined by anything beyond its own nature or being : choosing or capable of choosing for itself b : determined by the choice of the actor or performer c : made, done, or given voluntarily or spontaneously

    agency: the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power.

    Are Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh the FIRST ATHLETES since Brett Favre and Curt Flood to actually understand the meaning of these two words??

    What is the point of HAVING freedom if you have no capacity or intent of USING that freedom?

  22. Origin says:

    Great article quote GN.

    True brotha Temple very true. Temple I also feel that a lot of these kneegrows are speaking out and afriad of this true meaning of black power because they themsleves never had the guts or the mind set to think outside the box and perform the act that Wade, Bosh and Lebron did.

    White Supremacy even blinds black folks too.

    Another thing GN……….its funny how it ain’t cute and fun when the rabbit got the gun. Soon as the 40 million dollar slaves start making decisions its time to change the whole system. Ain’t that a Bish!!!

  23. Burundi says:

    Add my voice to the chorus of those proud that these fellas choose to control their own destinies and say to hell to ownership and fans.

    It would have been really nice for Magic to say, “Gee, of all the Greats, Larry and I pretty much walked into complete teams, but seeing as how I got my former coach, Westhead, fired despite us being on a serious win streak, it’s safe to say that I would have most certainly bailed on my team if we weren’t heading in the right direction.”

    While Mike didn’t walk into a squad, he saw the pieces coming together and, seeing as how he’s never taken a stand on anything, there’s no reason to assume he wouldn’t have bailed.

  24. Big Man says:

    I don’t have a problem with the cats choosing. And I’m excited to see what happens next year.
    But, honestly, I would have preferred if either Lebron or Wade went to Chicago, because then there would be even more really good teams. I do question why two players considered two of the three best in the league would want to team up instead of prove their ultimate supremacy, but I don’t hate them for it because the season still won’t be a cakewalk. And injuries can always happen.
    Strangely, when T-Mac and Grant Hill tried to hook up in O-Town, there wasn’t the same level of outcry.

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