Oh and check this out. Perhaps some fishy scoring

What did you think of B-Hop tonight? Pretty amazing performance if you ask me. Despite the flash knockdowns, i had BHop winning. I’m ready for the rematch! But Pascal didn’t sound like he wanted any more of the old man…

And if nothing else Manny is a pressure fighter. he swarms. he is always on top of you. and Freddie Roach is a wonderful strategist. I’m sure he has noticed every flaw Floyd has.

Nah, I’m not buying the “What happens “when” Pac catches Floyd or What if Pac cuts Floyd…” scenarios. The problem with the first part of that premise is not the assumption that since Mosely caught Floyd, Pac will, it’s the assumption that Floyd will fight the same way against Pac as he did against Mosely. That’s not likely because he won’t have to be nearly as aggressive as he was against Mosely since Pac will come strongly to him. The cut thing is just speculation.

The big problem with your first scenario is that you have it backwards. The more likely “when” is what happens when Pac gets hit consistently and has his attack blunted? Sure, as MODI pointed out there is a possibility that Pac could catch Floyd but, it’s pretty certain that Floyd will hit Pac easily and avoid most of his punches. I suspect Pac is going to join the long list of guys who’ve fought guys like Floyd, and 12-15 rounds later, wondered why they just couldn’t “get off”.

And ditto Sankofa on this “shoot the messenger” stuff on Malignaggi. Didn’t Jose Canseco teach us all a lesson on the perils of shooting the messenger? Now they’re trying to do the same crap with Floyd Landis in relation to untouchable Lance (notice how rarely Greg Lemond is brought up). Now, in fairness, that doesn’t mean that Malignaggi is correct as he is just making observations, but we should take his observations for the merits that they rest on, and nothing more. He also spoke for many others in boxing circles.

Also, Malignaggi likely paid a huge price for speaking up because he was on the short list of Pac opponents before he opened up his mouth. For that alone, he deserves our respect. Stylistically, he is somewhat close to Floyd, but also absolutely no risk as Paulie can’t knockout Glass Joe. He is the perfect pre-Floyd practice opponent.

Just saying… what the fan wants is not necessary what the insiders are doing. But it is still and intriguing prospect, no?

People say that they may fight, but the issue of testing will always be in the fore front of this fight. If Pacquiao agrees to testing, will they compromise on a non Olympic testing?, Floyd appears adamant about that and as MODI said set a precedent with with Shane. Will they compromise on a cut off date? If he takes the test how will his cycle ( if he is on one) be affected?

Then there is the fact he has stated that he will retire in three years… and Floyd’s legal troubles and conclusion is up in the air at the moment.

Finally there is the sphincter of the real problem with the negotiation…that Richard head in Bob Arum, who Manny serves.

” Yesterday I lied but today I am telling the truth”… or some bull shit like that!

And if you want to bring this up you could easily argue he should have fought Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson or Tim Austin when they were near each other. Actually, I would have wanted to see that fight.

But seriously Paulie: Sugar Ray Robinson overrated? Good lord almighty. You could tell me the sky is blue, and I would want confirmation.

About B-Hop’s comments, when read in their entirety without being misconstrued, he makes some well-founded points about the generally “slick” and scientific style that is part of the predominant historical and cultural style of African-American fighters going back to Joe Gans and Jack Johnson. His comments are also based on his own experience with Tito and Kelly Pavlik. Both were heavily favored fighters, both had more power and athletic ability, and both got waxed because Bernard simply out-thought and out-skilled them.

Floyd, B-Hop, Roy Jones, Shane, Sweet Pea could all pick stronger guys apart. The closest thing that Pac has fought to a top African-American fighter stylistically was Juan Manuel Marquez — the one guy who gave Pac trouble. And B-Hop is not the first to bring this up either. A couple years back when Nate Campbell had a title (by upsetting favored, stronger, and then-undefeated Juan Diaz), Campbell’s trainer called Pac out for not fighting AA fighters. This also came after a relatively mediocre AA fighter (Zahir Rahim) used his savvy style to completely outclass and upset Erik Morales. So who did Pac fight next? Rahim? Nope. Erik Morales of course!

Now don’t get me wrong, if I am Pac’s promoter I’m going after paydays and brawlers like Morales and Barerra and not touching Rahim or Campbell, however, let’s not act as if Pac’s opponents haven’t been deliberately picked to suit his style, and that those most deserving who never received shots were African-American fighters.

Meanwhile, Margarito — a man who was last seen getting waxed by Shane Mosley, and a man who should rightfully be banned from the sport — gets the big payday. For years I have heard this (true) criticism of Floyd cherry-picking opponents, but somehow it takes B-Hop to bring any attention to the fact that Pac also has smart promoter

But i did misstate. More people than I realized did mention it.

And here’s a question: What if Manny cuts Floyd? not even knocks him down but cuts him and hurts him? Do we know anything about what Floyd’s corner will do during times of adversity to keep Floyd from losing his crap? Because, when he fought Jose Luis Castillo the 1st time (a fight I believe he lost), his corner basically did nothing but sit on their hands during that fight when Castillo’s pressure and strength were wearing on Floyd.

You make a good point about his legs being the source of his power, but there is just not a lot of precedence for fighters becoming MORE powerful when increasing their weight. Throw in that during the first negotiations, he wouldn’t budge from a 24-day window for a blood-test with 50 mil on the table, and suspicions are well-founded.

Now to this day, it is unclear what happened in the second negotiations as both camps have said different things. Either way, I truly believe that this fight will happen.

I also believe that the Floyd-Shane precedence for steroid testing never got the praise that it deserved. It is the first time in virtually any sport where the fighters themselves and not some comission raised the bar on testing for PEDs. Boxing has no blood-testing which eliminates potential to detect HGH use among other things. Had two superstar baseball players done what Floyd-Shane did, they would have been lauded up the ass by all of mainstream media forever… But Floyd gets no love. there are essentially one or two reporters who explain Floyd’s side, and the rest have treated Pac with kid gloves.

BTW, bring it on kevdog!

…However, I can’t get that picture out of my mind of Shane buckling Floyd’s knee in round 2 before being dominated all night. So we know it could happen, and we know that Pac will be a much better finisher than Shane. So I think that the entire fight comes down to whether Pac can catch Floyd with that one big punch. If he does, it’s a knockout. If he doesn’t, Floyd likely out skills him to a one-sided decision. Either way, it will likely not be a close fight. I figure Pac has a 33% chance to land that one big punch, so I’m betting on Floyd.

I don’t underestimate PBF at all. I underestimate this conservative, defensive-minded, low-activity VERSION of him. if he melds his defensive skills with the kind of combination punching he showed at lighter weights, forget it. He’s unbeatable.