The Starting Five Jalen Rose Interview: The Fab Five Were Five Times The American Dream Part 1

 

“They are who the world accepts and we are who the world hated.” -Jalen Rose

When clicking on a link to this site and navigating the pages making up TSF, one page in particular defines the site’s origin…The Starting Five is.

The picture that heads this interview was and still is the pic posted on that particular page. The image in my mind speaks unity without saying a word. When the 5X’s rocked the college basketball scene they were everything me that represented my passion for sports. My Muhammad Ali, my Reggie Jackson, my Albert Belle and definitely my Randall Cunningham. Look at those names. What do they have in common? None were universally loved initially. They were seen as misunderstood malcontents unwilling to fall in lockstep with traditional American values. Values that embody paying homage to the team. The mainstream. The dream. The American dream. An American dream set on rising and living and coexisting with one another through hard work, dedication and humility but moving slow as Los Angeles traffic. Insert Vincent Price’s laugh here because ever so often a lightening bolt is shot out of a galvanized black cannon.

The boom is louder. The sound is more crisp and when it goes off, the hair on necks from Buckhead to Bangkok raise and scream hell yeah! Fantasies of those willing to appreciate what is before them and morph reminiscent of times when life was a lot more happier. If you are miserable, don’t push it on the rest of the world, because the Fab Five, as they have become to be known, were kids. They were American kids raised in American cities nestled in Michigan, Illinois and Texas. They were like any kids who have ever graced our soil…they just wanted to have fun. Didn’t you have fun or at least try to at 18 and 19? Why or why not? America has to understand and be willing to appreciate there are other paths to happiness and also success. Hip Hop was the inner city freedom cry. A voice of culture changing magnitude needed to smack normalcy off its complacent, stagnant and nothing all inclusive axis. It was heard on radios becoming facets of every blacktop near and far like the computer you now read these words before you. Know that Hip Hop culture isn’t set on destroying the fabric of America. That’s ridiculous. It’s simply a matter of breathing in a world bound by what some see as anal retentive convention. In every sports arena, there will be those superior athletically, mentally and competitively chocked full of talent that amazes and quickens the evolution of the athlete…man and woman. This was the Fab Five and to be honest, that team is the reason why I write. I’ve kept this in for 20 years and now the team that could be seen as similar to the Ghetto Fighters because their flair was so far ahead of the mainstream is locked forever in the lore of everything the American dream. Somehow everything has to be explained numerous times to those unchallenged to become more conscious of the people they share the world with. The mainstream is not everything America. It is not the best means of achievement. It is not the voice and soul of everyone living and hardworking on this earth. The Fab Five were our choice in a list of choices that had our faces and minds none. It escapes me (not really) why the narrative of the Fab Five documentary became Uncle Tom gate (this is so much deeper) rather than investigating and communicating further of teenagers receiving death threats by the bunches. Who do you think sent those letters and what really are we telling our kids by dismissing hateful facts?  Change the narrative.

This is Part 1 and in Part 2 Jalen and I talk of what you don’t see here…including the stuff with Grant Hill more definitively.

Three members of the original TSF crew have chimed in: Dax Devlon-Ross, Jonathan Weiler and Vinnie Goodwill as well as TSF cousin Temple3. All are great reads and get across everything needed to be said.

*Adendum 4/1/11* The remaining original TSF writer, D.K. Wilson, better known as dwil around these parts, penned a very articulate offering as well. Trust, it’s not a coincidence we all have written something substantive. Judge yourselves accordingly. -Mizzo

The conversation begins with a story of my coming very close to naming my 2nd son Gaston, Jalen. We crack up after I explain it obviously didn’t happen because my former father in law was unfortunately a Notre Dame fan…

Hey I tried to keep the peace…

Michael Tillery: Clear up the ambiguity of your Uncle Tom comment made in the ESPN documentary on the Fab Five. When Skip asked you to clarify folks are still saying you weren’t clear in your response.

Jalen Rose: I clearly stated in the documentary I was jealous of how Grant Hill was raised...how I felt he had a quality family, went to a fantastic school and he represented what Dick Vitale said we didn’t in the documentary. People that represented…in his words…the clean cut all American kind of guy. Also we were his opponent. We weren’t his teammates. He wasn’t somebody I was standing next to in the restaurant and chose to knock a chip of his shoulder. We were two dogs going for the same bone.

At the time, I knew society gave him a leg up.

At the time, how do you respond? Do you use it as fuel to the fire to put me in the position where I am today?

Or do you go by the early 90’s mentality where at the time we were still going back to the dorm room to listen to the answering machine to see where the party was that night and we were still talking about if there would be a Black president ever. Times have changed.

Do I feel that way now? Of course not!

The way he (Grant Hill) was raised? That’s what I’m trying to provide for my kids. The way he was raised? That’s the polish. That’s the substance that I want the students of Jalen Rose Leadership Academy to have when they graduate from high school.

I want them to be fueled like he was, not like I was.

MT: Could you expound on your ambitions for the academy and also reasons why you opened up a school?

JR: Well the bottom line is education is key. I read something in the USA Today even. Detroit’s population plunges 25%. That was on the front of USA Today.

I’m a Detroit native. I went to public school in Detroit. I feel like that city…that area…has done so much for me…done so much for my family…that it’s only right that I do whatever I can to motivate those behind me and put myself in a position for success and kick down the door and help as many people in as possible. That’s really what it’s all about. I started my foundation 10 years ago with an emphasis on sports and education serving under served youth. I felt the influence of 40 kids getting scholarships already. I have an endowment at the University of Michigan. Having a charter school just graduates the mention from influencing five or six kids per year to now it’s gonna be influencing 120 every year until the school has 480 kids. What I really want to take advantage of is that I’m old enough to be retired from the NBA but young enough to still be hip. To understand what the kids are thinking, what they are feeling, what they’re dealing with…good, bad or indifferent…to try to do what I can to put them in a position of success.

To these kids? If they don’ t have a diploma, a degree and a career? Then what do they become? Especially urban youth…you don’t have those three you can’t be an astronaut. Unfortunately those are the people who end up being at-risk kids who will probably stick a gun in your face and try to rob you.

We’re trying to eliminate that. We’re trying to eliminate that behavior. We’re trying to eliminate that stigma. We’re trying to educate as many people as possible.

MT: Jalen that’s what’s up. I really appreciate you doing that.

I’m definitely a Fab Five purist…Five X’s purist (Jalen chuckles). Obviously I was a little upset Chris Webber wasn’t involved. Could you talk about going through this without having Chris…who has obviously been a pillar of the community as well?

JR: The second part…people did ask questions why (Chris wasn’t involved) besides the Uncle Tom comment…

By the way, this has reinforced to me, while they’re responsible media members…while there are some that do an excellent job by being objective…I really don’t care whether you love the Fab Five or hate the Fab Five.

The documentary was all about creating reality dialogue for college kids.

The reason I said the revolution would be televised because I know in my head and my heart a lot of people really weren’t ready for the truth. That’s why instead of five years off, ten years off, fifteen years off we were afforded an Emmy Award winning platform…a critically acclaimed platform that is the ESPN 30 for 30 and the ESPN film series that became an opportunity. We were all enthusiastic about it including all the players, all the coaches, family, friends, media…Steve Fisher.

It was everybody putting their head in like it was us walking down the stairs screaming hell yeah.

In doing this piece, there were so many layers…every layer pulling in the same direction. That’s what made us pitch the story to ESPN but acknowledge the fact the story hadn’t been told.

Mitch Albom wrote a book while we were in college…it was a best selling book.

MT: Yes it was. I have it.

JR: There was a Beyond the Glory on us but it really only covered ten or fifteen minutes…it didn’t go in depth. So I know this story…without any of us writing a book…without a film ever being done…this documentary is what I consider the bible for the Fab Five story for those two years.

So it would have been great to have Chris do an interview in 2011 based on whatever he decided to talk about. He could have talked about being recruited, being one of the guys, the games, the timeout, the Ed Martin scenario…he had open autonomy to discuss whatever he wanted to discuss (Jalen’s words were very passionate here).

Then he changed his mind and for whatever reason he didn’t want to participate.

Then a lot of people felt does he have beef with the other four guys, is it because he works for TNT, is it because of the sanctions, is it because of the NCAA…the bottom line is that he felt at this time for whatever reason he did not want to discuss the two years he did not want to have at Michigan. We respect it, we salute, we move on…but the story is a story that represents from ’91-’93…not 2011.

So I know…we know…it wouldn’t affect the integrity of the story because the integrity of the story is still intact.

It would have been better of course to have our other brother participate.

Since he didn’t…it also leaves a little bit of intrigue because if you watch the documentary he’s a character in a story at the end of the Duke game he was upset and distraught.

MT: Yes, obviously.

JR: Then he felt like…you know what?

If I lose the next championship because if I do, this might break my back.

Not knowing what was in store with the whole timeout scenario. Then you take from ’93-’97 there was a total disconnect between us and the university anyway.

There wasn’t any Fab Five celebrations. There weren’t any jerseys being retired. There were a lot of people wiping their foreheads like whew…we’re glad they’re gone…

Then the sanctions came in ’97 and then he (Webber) wasn’t implicated until ’03! So, that was a ten year period since he went to college. At that point, he was a successful man in his career, a five time NBA all star. Now he’s doing his thing on TV.

I really feel that as somebody who has know him since we were thirteen years old, that’s a chapter in his head and heart that he just feels he number one, he doesn’t want to discuss or acknowledge…like forgetting a negative past.

Also, there’s the second part of me that feels like he wants to personally tell his story…not the Fab Five’s story. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does that.

That’s all good as well.

MT: I’ve been asked to write something definitive on this Jalen. I wanted to make sure there wasn’t a knee jerk reaction. I’m glad we are talking some days after the documentary so I can add something to the narrative before it becomes something of white noise. I wanted to ask you about a few specific games.

In the Duke game…you went into the half up. After the half Christian Laettner went on a little tear. As I watched the game, there was one definitive moment. Where you looked at Billy Packer and said “Check the replay” on a specific call…I forget exactly what call that was. Do you remember that moment?

JR: Absolutely. Being freshmen…playing an upper class Duke led team, we felt the competition then and ironically how the whole Grant Hill reply was played out in the New York Times, it revisited those feelings now of people acknowledge us and me then.

It was good vs. evil. It was sophisticated vs. hood. It was responsible vs. irresponsible. It was everything that was right about the game vs. everything that was wrong about the game. Almost like democrats vs. republicans. Almost like MSNBC vs. FOX.

It was that then…and now.

I’d be able to appreciate…good, bad and ugly…what happens now but as college kids, when you are getting the letters (hate mail from Michigan alumni and others) that you saw we got. We were getting (negative) feedback from the majority of the media…before social media…that wanted to dictate a culture of how people feels about us. We already played the underdog role. Of course we would have loved to beat Duke… and as I said in the documentary…

They were a better team.They played like champions and they slapped us.

That is what it was. There were times during the game we felt we weren’t getting the benefit of the doubt at the whistle or with the media but that is what made them what they are and that is what made us who we are.

MT: I don’t know if you’ve heard the Billy Packer interview (Packer calls the Fab Five doc “a disgusting piece of journalism” and the Fab Five “average”) he did with a radio station out of Detroit (Stoney and Bill show).

JR: I physically didn’t hear it and I didn’t want to hear it technically. I know about it and the reason why I didn’t hear it and don’t want to hear it is because that’s exactly how he felt 20 years ago. Those are the (sound bytes) that we would have used for the doc now except it was a little tricky getting them cleared.

He knows that.

MT: What I have a problem with…and this is something evident in the Black community…but there is a certain individuality (personality) that we have to add to a team. You want to add the best of your talents to add to the team to become a winner. What is being lost in the reaction to the documentary is that you guys were so much of a close knit team and everyone was so unselfish to get the win. I don’t think it mattered who was the leading scorer, rebounder, assist maker or anything else. You all took turns bringing the ball up and doing whatever you had to do to get the win. Could you talk about the team dynamic of the Fab Five?

JR: The team dynamic is that we were brothers. Our haters would note:

They never won a championship. Well is that the only thing that matters?

Why are you filling out a bracket?

Why are you watching (the games) right now? You might as well wait until April 5th and there’s your March Madness. These people are also hypocrites. As a college athlete, it does mean something to make it to the Sweet Sixteen. It does mean something to make it to an Elite 8. It does mean something to make it to the Final Four. Coaches get paid millions of dollars. Shoe companies, universities…everyone across the board gets paid millions of dollars for a team that makes the Final Four.

Same with the championship. Everybody wants that and of course we wanted that too. I like to compare that to a humble beginning…being from an urban background. A lot of times we look at victory and success different than others.

A lot of people are jealous even that they weren’t in that situation.

This is what a lot of people do. They’ll tell you…

You’re a loser! You’re a failure! You ain’t never done nothin’!

You can’t do anything! So, that is what makes people insecure. That is what destroys people’s self esteem. That is what sends people into a tailspin. That’s what makes women insecure…wanting to get surgeries to repair yourself. They try to fit a mold of this perfect elegant person that society tries to make you be when that person isn’t realistic. Everybody wants to be Bill Russell and Michael Jordan. Everybody wants to be Christian Laettner playing in four straight Final Fours. These are exceptions to the rule because these players are considered the best of the best to do it at their times.

Everybody wants to be Bill Walton and Lew Alcindor. Of course but these are individuals. The thing that made our team special…you pointed it out…is chemistry…brotherhood…team.

That’s why we wanted to be called 5x’s instead of Fab Five. No man was bigger than the group.

One for all, all for one. We did everything together. Video games…went to parties. Piled in cars to go to practices, workouts, training tables, study hall…everything we did was as a group.

That’s what college sports is about or should be about and I’m glad a lot of people took that from the documentary…but the same is with pro except pro is more corporate.

MT: I think that is what separated you (in the minds of purists) from the college game. What I saw were eighteen year old kids who were “NBA ready” playing against college kids even though you were teenagers. So a lot of people were seeing the NBA being brought to the college hardwood and had a huge problem with that. You guys were so good. The stuff you would do was incredible. I remember this stat (sophomore year) where you were 30-0 when leading at the 5:00 mark (only loss was to UNC in National Final). That was a credit to your talent and ambition to get the win.

JR: That’s what it was all about to me. It was also head scratching but typically irresponsible of media credentialed or not credentialed. People don’t realize there are a lot of non-credentialed media members that don’t have the type of resume you just described to me when we first got on the phone (building TSF into a professional league credentialed site). There are those who say the Fab Five weren’t the first to do it.

Last time I checked I’m a player.

Of course I looked up to and appreciated those who came before me.

(Jalen reads my mind here and answers my next question before it’s asked)

I understand about Phi Slamma Jamma.

Of course I understand about Big John (Thompson) and the Georgetown teams.

People don’t know we were in contact with Big John during that season as he was walking off the court with the towel on his shoulder and if he was going to continue to do that…talk about revolution…we were also planning on doing that. That was something that was discussed.

MT: Wow…

A lot of the criticism is obviously saying you all weren’t the first to do it. Could you comment on some of the teams that came before you. I know you know of these teams but just for the record, how about Todd Day’s Razorbacks? Did you guys follow that Nolan Richardson team? The one who got in a fight with UNLV.

JR: 40 minutes of hell. I love the game and I just so happened to play college basketball.

We were All Americans in high school. We respect the game. We knew about every team.

I know about teams that 98% of the world don’t know. This is what we do. So of course I know about Mayberry (Lee) when they balled and played in the 40 minutes of hell. Of course I do. Big Oliver Miller dropping dimes.

Of course I know about the Vegas teams where Anderson Hunt was the 1990 MVP. He went to my high school!

Of course I know about the DC (Derrick Coleman) led Syracuse teams with Stevie Thompson and Sherman Douglas.

I’m a fan of the game. Of course I know. One of my favorite games growing up…I used to watch it on VHS all the time…was Georgia Tech vs. Michigan State in the Elite 8. That was one of my favorite games…Lethal Weapon III vs. Steve Smith.

How many people know who Brian Oliver is?

MT: They don’t know. They just know about the other two (Dennis Scott and Kenny Anderson).

JR: Crazy how people want to run and say that. I hate to tell you but Michael Jackson wasn’t the first to do the Moon Walk. He was the first that brought it mainstream and at our time, that’s what we were able to do. The thing that makes us special that people forget…

We were five freshman! That’s what makes it special. That’s the story! That’s…the story!

MT: There’s also a lot said about the team within a team. Was their any dissension between the 5x’s and the rest of the University of Michigan basketball team?

JR: On every level there is competitive sport. There’s always competition. Appreciate your position on the team. Appreciate your position at your job…high school, college, pro…but also plan and plot your promotion! That’s what life is!

If you become content with where you are, how do you expect to take the next step and improve where you are?

So in that…if I’m a junior…that was heavily recruited by Michigan…or by any major university…and they bring in other people to play my spot? That’s taking my job. Of course there’s gonna be some head scratching, some animosity, some competitive spirit to try to hold on to your spot. The upperclassmen of course felt like that. How the heck are you gonna play college basketball and not have a competitive spirit?

At the end of the day, when they realized we were legitimate…that we were great teammates…we were good for the team…they appreciated what we brought to the table…accepted us and were willing to allow us to do what we had to do to help the team win.

Part II tomorrow.

*Addendum: Jalen on his March 11th single car accident where he takes full responsibility for a lapse in judgement.* -Mizzo

47 Responses to “The Starting Five Jalen Rose Interview: The Fab Five Were Five Times The American Dream Part 1”

  1. GrandNubian says:

    Great job, miz. I’m really feeling this interview. I can’t wait for part deux!

  2. Temple3 says:

    That’s puttin’ in work. Kudos to both of you.

    As a Michigan grad who was in Ann Arbor from ’89 to ’93, I certainly appreciated this group of young men. I was a grad student, so I wasn’t running up an down South Quad with these cats, but whenever I saw them, they handled themselves with respect, self-awareness, and dignity.

    That connection is also part of the reason why I wrote my piece (Thanks for Fist Tap Mizz). There is no question that five college freshman never achieved comparable success on the court or received comparable contempt off the court. Respect must be paid to those who know the path by which they travel.

    And the weary traveler can always find comfort in the home of the wise…even if it’s a CyberHouse on the path to self-determination.

    Do yo thang, Mizz.

  3. Temple3 says:

    Some day we’ll have a conversation about college point guards who were masterful at controlling the TEMPO of the game. Some guys were great at maximizing possessions; some did it by playing high pressure defense and forcing quick/bad shots; some did it simply by running off makes and getting to the rim.

    Corey Beck and Lee Mayberry were excellent point guards at controlling tempo on both ends of the court. It’s nice to hear their names spoken by someone who was also excellent at controlling tempo.

    When Burundi sees this (he used to walk Steve Smith to school as a youngster), it’s going to be a regular Detroit reunion in this piece.

    I’m out. Peace and blessings.

  4. eric daniels says:

    Good one Mizz, I enjoyed reading what Jalen had to say.

  5. Mark Mays says:

    Good one MT. I was already out of UNC during the Fab Five era. We were of course rooting for them vs Duke, not just because of the rivalry. Some Tar Heels felt the same way about Duke as the Five expressed at that time. I grew up as a fan of Hill’s father and was pretty disgusted to see him slapping hands with the Dukies, lol. But ultimately he was aggravating back then. If Hill had been a Heel we would have loved him. That’s the way it was. He chose to be part of K’s army, and maybe that says a bit about him, I don’t know. I think that’s what Hill missed about Rose’s comments, maybe he intentionally glossed over that in favor of addressing the more incendiary part of the statement (and thus getting NYT coverage).

  6. michelle says:

    AWESOME READ!!!!!!!

  7. Adrienne says:

    Great Interview – I was a HS junior/senior in Brooklyn during the Fab Five era and having grown up with boys, I was a basketball fan but I, like all of my friends – male & female, felt a true connection to the Fab Five and I rooted for Michigan because I loved what they represented. Though it’s not for me to be proud, I must say that I am EXTREMELY proud of how Jalen transitioned from college player to the NBA and then from the NBA to analyst all the while increasing his philanthropy every step of the way. His recent misstep, while unfortunate, should not overshadow how he has tried to plant as many positive seeds into his beloved Detroit as possible. The bible says “to whom much is given, much is required” and it’s always refreshing to see a contemporary live by those words.

  8. KevDog says:

    I find the hand-wriging and self aggrandizing of people like Hill and Coach K and virtually every white commentator including David Friedman at 20 sec timeout, which I usually enjoy very much, to be just so much bullshit.

    Talk about taking statements out of context in order to justify phony outrage and manufactured victimhood.

    I would say it’s unbelievable, but then in a nation where Uncle Clarence Thomas could write the ridiculous majority opinion for the SCOTUS yesterday regarding Harry Connick Sr. and New Orleans, hell, in a nation where Uncle Thomas could be on SCOTUS, absolutely no level of absurdity, inanity and misinformation actually qualifies as unbelievable.

    I’m a big fan of Jalen.

    OTOH, his drunk driving bullshit needs to land him in jail. There is absolutely no excuse for it and we need to start sending people to jail for the first offense. If Jalen or any other MF takes out one of my daughters because he chose to get behind the wheel of a car drunk, I’m gonna kill him. No ifs ands or buts. I’m gonna put a bullet in his head AFTER I beat it to a bloody pulp.
    Jalen, WTF?

  9. Ron Glover says:

    TWO THUMBS AND TWO BIG TOES UP, GREAT JOB!!!

  10. Julius says:

    Alas, Jalen Rose has revealed himself to be just another pro athlete idiot. Drunken driving disgusts me. I’ve lost friends to morons like Rose who think the laws of both nature and human society don’t apply to them. He is now obliged to shut his yap for about 10 years on any issues of relevance.

  11. Michelle says:

    The trolls are coming out.. Quick run for your lives.. :)

  12. eric daniels says:

    yup the trolls are definately out michelle

  13. Miranda says:

    Great interview Mizzo!

  14. HarveyDent says:

    Great read, Miz, and I’m glad you, Jalen, and T3 touched on the fact that the Five were freshmen starting the nat’l championship game. Let me say it again, those were freshmen starting all five positions in a national championship game. And then to top it off they came back the next year and did it as sophomores. No, they didn’t win but like J-Rose said at the end of the documentary, no one remembers who won the NCAA five years ago, ten years ago but people still remember and talk about the Fab Five.

    I rank that team those two seasons right there with the Ewing-era Hoyas, Nolan Richardson’s early 90’s teams, Tark’s Rebels with LJ and Plasticman, and Phi Slamma Jamma. Fans and detractors still talk about those Michigan teams and still will another twenty years from now because those young men changed the game on the collegiate and pro levels because those guys started the floodgates of players bypassing the hypocrisy of the NCAA and major college athletic programs. In a perfect world, I’d rather see these young, Black men get an education while honing their athletic skills in their chosen sport but it isn’t a perfect world and many of these hucksters who call themselves college coaches are after their next contract and ESPN face time. I hate to say it but, “Get yours, kid.”

  15. HarveyDent says:

    Oh yeah, imagine if Big John had coached the Five? Scary

  16. Julius says:

    Yes, slamming on drunken driving is trolling. Nice. Michelle, you’re just a sad case. Maybe if some drunken idiot plowed into one of your relatives you’d feel differently.

  17. Mizzo says:

    Ay Julius. Watch it. I’m her relative.

  18. Mizzo says:

    If your opinions weren’t of dissent in every TSF post you’d be taken more seriously. Of course no one condones drunk driving.

  19. ks says:

    Julius,

    Stop with the bitchassness. It was clear what you think of Rose from the other thread. You are just using the drunk driving thing as cover this time around. Nobody is condoning drunk driving and Rose has taken full responsibility for his actions but the notion that his drunk driving incident, which was a minor single car accident, means that he “is now obliged to shut his yap for about 10 years on any issues of relevance” is just plain absurd.

  20. Glenn says:

    Thanks for the interview. As soon as I saw the Fab Five doc, I knew there would be an amazing discussion of it here! I was in college when the Fab Five hit. It seemed like that era was trying to break out of out the box. You had the running Rebels, the U swagger, the Fab Five, Public Enemy… all of them challenging what “normal” was. It was amazing time. I am glad to see Jalen so positive and successful.

  21. Big Man says:

    If Julius applies the drunk driving rule to everybody, then we don’t have any beef.

    Do you Julius?

  22. Mizzo says:

    I’ll have Part 2 up tomorrow family. It does not disappoint.

  23. ks says:

    Hey Miranda,

    You’re from the ATL, right? What’s up with that Nique fighting the ex-ref story? There’s something odd about that situation.

  24. HarveyDent says:

    ‘Nique should have paid for those suits is all, KS…LOL

    Something’s up but you know we’ll probably hear it through the cyber grapevine in about a month or so.

  25. Miranda says:

    Oh, Nique know he pose to pay for his suits! LOL, but Rashon knows coming on somebody’s job and clowning is NOT the way to get yo money!

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/31/dominique-wilkins-punch-video-fight-atlanta-hawks-rashan-michel-arrest-simple-battery/

  26. Rashad says:

    Damn good job sir. The drunken driving thing is unfortunate and irresponsible, but that doesn’t make this interview or his insightful responses, any less valid. People are complicated, Jalen is no different

  27. Arlene says:

    Thank you, Mizzo. Finally, I found a cogent write up on the Rose/Hill issue.

  28. Origin says:

    @Mizzo – Brotha you have out done yourself again. Great interview!!! When I get a chance I have some more comments onthe whole Duke/Michigan thing.

    @Harvey & Miranda – Yep Nique should have paid for those suits. But any fool who is crazy enough to run up on a 6’8″ man ain’t too smart. Bomani stated that the dude has done this before…..he once tried to jump another dude awhile back who didn’t pay for his suits and old boy got gaffled that time too.

    So it looks like old boy’s business motto is to loan out some suits to famous clients…..then when they don’t pay try to bum rush them and commence to get gaffled.

    He better be glad he never loaned any suits to Tyson or Shaq.

  29. Temple3 says:

    Oh, Nique know he pose to pay for his suits! LOL, but Rashon knows coming on somebody’s job and clowning is NOT the way to get yo money!

    At least he didn’t get dangled over the ledge by Big Red like my man in The Five Heartbeats.

    “My office hours are from 9 to 5.” (Repeat till terror is fully inflicted.)

  30. Origin says:

    Miranda thank you for showing that………Moon stated the truth in that CBS article. I don’t know what as had me more hot this past month. This Rose/Hill nonsense or the fact that Cam Newton has had to go on a “I ain’t like them bad knee grows (I.E. VY, Russell, Akili Smith and etc.) tour” with the media and NFL teams

    Oh and don’t forget about that lil story that ESPN had about Erik Ainge acting like Tyron Biggums while at UT and with the Jets.

  31. Miranda says:

    LMAO @ T3…….I’d forgotten about that scene from the Five Heartbeats!

    Origin…did you read that nonsense that so called ‘draft expert” wrote about Cam? That was the most over the top ridiculous bullshit i’ve read in a while and that’s saying a lot. And then for that idiot to admit he’d never even MET Cam before?? First of all, even if he’d met the boy and still thought that, it was completely inappropriate. That “draft report”read like the jealous petty rantings of a 12 yr old mean girl. For a grown azz man to write that makes me wonder exactly how small is his penis for him to be that completely bitchy.

  32. Origin says:

    Yeah I read that nonsense……that dude is a punk. That was so over the top hate it was ridiculous. Then to throw Jimmy Clausen name in the rant to throw people off. Please we know what it is about plain and simple, its a shame that his QB coach and Moon even have to come out to defend this young man. But these older brothas know what the game is.

    Now I have to deal with a bunch of BS writers and talking heads telling me that Moon stepped over the line and this isn’t about race. Yet they have felt they had to add their 2 cents defending Hill the last 2 weeks. So racism and black QBs we can’t talk about…..but uncle tom we can.

    These fools have been dogging this young man out constantly….with the whole are you like VY or Akili or Russell. Not are you like Mcnabb or Mcnair or Freeman. With the whole prove to me that when you get paid you won’t turn into some wild animal. I mean this is insane and thats why I call it the “I ain’t like them bad knee grows tour”, because thats exactly what this has been since the end of the National Championship game.

  33. Origin says:

    Me personally I think Nolan Nawrocki came home one day and found out his daughter had a crush on Cam, might even had a poster of Cam on her wall. And thats all it took for that fool to go over the edge…..LOL!!!

    Yep the stuff done hit the fan!!!

  34. KevDog says:

    Rashad

    Drunk Driving is “unfortunate and irresponsible” until someone’s family member is ripped from them forever, then it’s murder.

    And the drunk driver never, ever suffers as much as the family of the murdered. And they always talk about how sorry they are and how they’d take it all back if they could.

    We lessen the devastation it causes when we use language that places it with the level of minor offenses.

    I’m not hating on Jalen. I have always respected his analysis and the way he never bought into the hate of black athletes that is part and parcel of BSPN, and I loved the documentary and the time it portrayed. And having lived on both sides of the social-economic divide that sometimes separates our people, I know exactly where he was coming from in the feelings he admitted to in the documentary, and the fact that his words that manipulated by Hill and Coach K and all of those white boys at BSPN and elsewhere is, in fact, unfortunate and irresponsible.

    But his decision to drive while impaired was criminal. it’s not just as he seems to say, about letting people down, it’s about taking someones loved one away from them forever. It’s easy to apologize after the fact, but his statement regarding the matter doesn’t make me feel comfortable that he REALLY understands what he did and how serious and selfish an act it really was.

  35. Miranda says:

    O, they love that false equivalency bullshit. Nothing that was written about Clausen or Tebow or anybody else they wanna drag up was on par with that complete and utter lunacy written by Nawrocki. That was just straight up slandering, plain and simple.

    And the same neo-con right wing sports talk hosts (cuz most of them are) that wanna bash Moon, how come they didn’t have 2 syllables to say about the hate mail and threats from grown azz people towards 5 TEENAGERS?? How come we cant talk about that?

    These mofos make me sick.

  36. Miranda says:

    I just watched the clip from First Take on that. It was on the original article about Moon’s comments. I was completely disgusted for many reasons but mostly because I’m sick of these false equivalencies to make it seem like nothing is race-based.

  37. sankofa says:

    Wow! Amerikkka having issues and concerns about so called “race based talk”. Of course “race base talk”, “the race card” and such are coded words for “niggers shut your mouth and take another boot up your ass”.

    Have any of the TSF family ever heard Caucasians share their fears about what would happen to them if Africans run shit? I am talking really running shit… not what the puppet is allowed to do in the Caucasian house.

    I have heard and it has come out during and after Obama’s run deep into Dante’s Inferno. They FEAR WHAT WE WOULD TO THEM IN RETALIATION FOR WHAT THYE DID TO US! It don’t matter that probably 98% of us would do a Nelson Mandela and have a forgive and forget fest. It doesn’t matter to most Caucasians because their minds are set on permanent irrationality when dealing with Africans.

    This is why they are sooooo sensitive and gets to woofing like demented dogs, when even the smallest talk about “race – ism” is mentioned. All the while they are symbolically, psychologically, spiritually and physically burning crosses and raising strange fruits from poplar trees.

    It’s hopeless to have a sane and intelligent conversation with a majority of Caucasian, nix that, the majority of people about the “racism” especially the African/Caucasian dynamics that is a founding pillar of this corrupt temple of inequity called America Inc.

    I mean you can try, but I prefer not to have too deep a response much less conversation on that topic. And most people, who know me, never do anyway, as they soon remember why they shouldn’t.

    The only issue I have with cats like Warren Moon is we keep letting the haters down lightly, because even a tepid Luke warm response from us is met with venom and bile. Best to come strong and don’t worry about the fall out.

    I know KevDog comes strong ALL the time, but I cannot disagree with his take on drunk driving. It I criminal and we can’t soften it because one of our Icons did it.

    And I still think that Julius is that cat David ‘something’ that was eventually banned from TSF! Just saying

  38. ks says:

    I hear what’s being said about drink driving but I have to disagree. The matter is being handled by the authorities and Jalen has accepted responsibility without offering any excuses.

    I don’t think it makes sense to have an absolutist policy where what might have happened is substituted for what did happen. The law is not going to treat a a drunk driving incident where other people are killed or injured the same as a a drunk driving incident which resulted in minor single car accident with no injuries. IMO, rightfully so.

  39. TC says:

    Hell of a piece Mizzo. I loved the doc, loved Jalen’s bravery and his fearlessness in putting his money and heart out there and finding that his story speaks very well for itself. Mizz-timely as ever. Typically, can’t say the same for my response! And as always, I learn a great deal from the comments here.

  40. MODI says:

    mizzo, great interview indeed! (and great videos too! -lol). Wish we could have gotten this much depth from Jalen by the mainstream interview who were only interested in boxing him in. Jalen has a lot of insight to offer. I think that it is worth noting that although it was self-evident from past interviews of what he meant by the Grant Hill comment, in response to your request, he went ahead and told you.

    “Do I feel that way now. Of course not!”

    Now from what I’ve seen, he was more explicit with you than with others in previous interviews — not that he necessarily had to be. But my take on it is that is that others didn’t approach him with respect and were ONLY interested in that narrow “sound bite” topic, so Jalen was basically like: “F*** You” — if you can’t understand the context of what I said in the interview, I shouldn’t have to spell it out for you!”

    What others charged as “ambiguity” really seemed like a grown man’s resistance to letting others to frame the debate, control the narrative, and narrow the narrative of the very documentary that he produced.

    But if that same reporter comes with true respect, genuinely cares about understanding the larger issues raised in the documentary, actually cares about the great work that he is doing in Detroit, and actually treats him like a human being… then getting the “less ambiguous” response is really not that hard a thing to do. …Respect is mutual. Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but I don’t think so. There is a journalism lesson here…

  41. MODI says:

    Also, this was a very interesting one:

    “People don’t know we were in contact with Big John during that season as he was walking off the court with the towel on his shoulder and if he was going to continue to do that…talk about revolution…we were also planning on doing that. That was something that was discussed.”

    Damn – didn’t know that. That would have been something!

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